Can I get some backup in saying that transsexual people are mentally unstable individuals? Not to say that they are murderers or rapists or anything of the sort (granted they could very well fall into those categories), but they are mentally ill? Looking comparatively at suicide rates from the normal person to someone with this mental illness is all that needs to be noted. This has little to do with societal acceptance, but rather the individuals mindset. Depression, anxiety, and delusional thoughts accompany this illness, which can obviously lead people to make rash decisions. The rates at which people with said disorder are killing themselves is cause for alarm, yet the liberal community shies away from the evidence. The left is so concerned about acceptance and political correctness that they refuse to question the causes of such a mindset which is killing people by the thousands every single year. Instead of helping, they are enabling. I'm not a republican (as if that really determines my stance on the human condition) but objectively speaking, republicans are the only ones with the gumption to bring this topic to light. Why?
Can I get some backup in saying that transsexual people are mentally unstable individuals...
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I'd like a counter-argument if at all possible. Seeing this from another perspective would be nice, but I just can't seem to after facts are put in front of me.
being transexual really is a mental illness, or at the very least a disorder, see gender dysphoria (i think thats what its called).
I don't have any evidence to back this up, but does it seem like that the percentage of transsexuals has skyrocketed in the past few years? being trans was likely completely unheard of in the last century, why all of a sudden now? is it simply because of the internet and the level of world wide connectivity and sheer access to information that we are able to observe trans people, and that trans people were somewhat as common in the past as they were now? or is it because of the access to information that more people are becoming transsexual (trendsexual, if you will)?
are the russians putting shit in our water to turn us into traps so theres no masculine men left to defend our homeland?
Didn't read past the first line. Yeah I think they're mental. With some help they would lead decent lives.
Gender identity disorder is a mental illness. All trans people are mentally ill by definition.
Source: trans
I think you've got a point with the rates in which its talked about nowadays. In the 50s, especially in the United States (Middle East now and probably forever) people weren't allowed to even consider bringing up this topic, probably because of its scarcity. Nowadays people are open enough to express this, and they are accepted as normal everyday people making a conscious decision about their sexuality, when in reality they suffer from an affliction of the mind.
then why aren't people being treated as such instead of being pandered too? shouldn't the concern of the liberal left be to help these people not parade them around as a fucking mascot?
GID generally causes people to become isolated and depressed since the general stance of society is to ridicule them.
There is contention between experts and people who think an opinion is research on whether the transition thing is necessary, and for a large number of trans people, it is not.
However, this does not mean that trans people should be denied their options. Ultimately, you have absolutely no right to tell anyone what they can do with their own body, so transitions should be allowed.
Child transitions (pre-18) should not be permitted under any circumstances.
Finally, the reason it suddenly seems more common to normies is that you're normies - you know nothing of the circumstances of people you do not communicate with. There are millions of documented cases of transsexualism dating back as far as recorded history. This is not new, but the spotlight is now on it and as a result the ridiculed and isolated people feel that they can once again re-integrate into society.
I am this user
You're conflating your opinion with morality. That is your problem. No-one is being pandered to in the medical community, but the media is definitely pandering to trans people to try and stay relevant in the shift from MSM to indie media.
That's what scares me about people being "open" to this - they're accepting, encouraging, and celebrating a mental disorder and degeneracy. I'm sort of alright with "tolerance" however that doesnt include being tolerant of mental illness. it's essentially the same as fat acceptance, shit isn't healthy.
also,I cant help but think that a sizeable portion of the transsexual population only "discovered" their transsexual identity AFTER being exposed the idea of transsexuality, which would mean that they simply decided to identify as such because they saw someone else do it. sure, they might not have had the same interests that a normal person of their gender would have, but had they not been introduced to the idea of transsexuality, would they ever become trans?
I agree that no one should have the right to prohibit someone from transitioning. I was unaware that transsexualism went back that far.
also youre a fucking normie, you fucking faggot
Aaaaand here's Sup Forums. "I know transsexualism really well!"
"How?"
"...No reason..."
And then the Sup Forumsack went to /lgbt/.
I genuinely believe that if more people thought of this as a disorder, then more lives could be saved and these people could get the help they need. To add to that, yeah its not normal, but that doesn't (at least to me) dehumanize the person afflicted. I never said anything about people not being able to do with their bodies what they want, in fact, I couldn't care less. But when talking about attempted suicide rates bordering 50%, there needs to be a spotlight on that, not the people themselves.
Excuse me? Who doesn't think of this as a disorder besides the SJWs? You ever talk to a trans person for real? Of all the fellow ones I've met, and there are several, almost all are conservative leaning libertarians who hate the totalitarian ideals of the SJWs.
What people aren't getting the help they need? In most developed countries besides the USA, psychological help is generally free and includes advice on this issue.
I agree, there needs to be a focus on the continued suicide rates. I primariliy blame SJWs and the modern neocon dominated left for politicising the issue and bringing us in on their side by default due to our lack of a public voice.
Every time you call someone a faggot or degenerate or whatever for being trans it's like doing the same to a schizophrenic for acting unusual. These are people with a disorder they can't help, and the absolute worst thing you can do is abuse them for it.
Calling them a faggot for any other reason is fine though. This is Sup Forums.
Also, tranny here - AMA while I'm around I guess
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I see what you did there
this is my fucking point
SJWs are parading around these mentally ill people as though they are the chosen people to shame others for thinking objectively. I do disagree that they can't help it though. Modern society is normalizing this without skepticism (at least in the liberal left). With the exposure to transsexuals from a young age, which is more and more common like user said (granted without evidence) the more exposure it gets, the more people will follow suit.
you're Bernie Sanders rant on socialized medicine can go ahead and fuck off to a country that gives a fuck.
Sounds like a great thing to me. The herd needs to be thinned out, this is nature correcting itself. The more fags the merrier I say.
So my opinion and basic human morality can't coexist? Odd. you must be a faggot. I never claimed modern medicine can't help, I'm simply stating that people (the fucking SJWs and liberal cuckholds) aren't drawing attention to what matters which is the mental health of these poor individuals.
society is definitely normalizing this behavior, and I do think that these people can help it. it's not like GID is some kind of untreatable condition. which begs the question that i'll ask again, could anyone come to the conclusion that they're transsexual without ever being exposed to the idea?
then again, what do I know, im just a fucking normie
i am
You're an absolute idiot then. Your opnion goes against the freaking definition of the disorder.
"The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition."
I did not know what a transsexual or transgender person was until I was an adult. Your opinion is not only wrong, but baseless. Stop being an idiot, do some research before running your mouth.
Socialised medicare can indeed go fuck itself.
You don't even have a point now,
When you go to the doctor and say "I want to be the opposite gender, what do I do?" and, after trying everything, the resulting depression is so severe that body modification has to occur to prevent suicidal behaviour. This is not a disorder that you get diagnosed with "willy nilly".
DO SOME RESEARCH. I said AMA, not yell your opinions at me. Ask questions if you want to learn, if you don't, then that's the reason you're all misinformed on the issue in the first place.
Quick correction & clarification on that one: body modification does not have to occur, it just is the most common necessary treatment. Some people live as the opposite gender part time, and that can be enough to alleviate the symptoms to a manageable level.
you seem knowledgeable. what wonders 15 minutes of reading 5 paragraph articles can do. kill yourself faggot.
"there are countless genders. infinite really."
I'm trying to become informed.
How is body modification the ONLY way to prevent suicidal behavior? obviously I won't be able to empathize with someone who feels that modification is needed to prevent suicidal behavior, but surely if "the presence of clincally signficant distress" like said is the big part of gender dysphoria, as well as the "resulting depression," can THAT part not be "treated"?
again, not trying to be cutting, I'm genuinely curious from your point of view.
You seem sincere. Thank you user, hopefully you learned something and maybe you can befriend and even convert a trans person to conservatism in the future with your newfound ability to understand that not everyone with a disorder is your enemy. I mean, you're autistic - but I don't hate you for it.
I am sincere and I dont associate with trash like that. It's like befriending a sociopath or something similar. Let the liberals win. I like let them kill themselves off. root out the problem Darwinian style.
Wrong. There are two. There is no space in between. It is perfectly fine for people to crossdress and enjoy it, that does not make them "fluid" or "trigender" or any other made up garbage.
Read The distress is first isolated, then treated as depression - it is not assumed that someone is trans just because they dislike their body.
You are trans when the source of the distress is ascertained to be due to GID, which the past 100 or so years of medical science has not found a way to treat.
Honestly, we as a people don't even really know how to treat even basic depression.
I don't take you to be cutting, this is Sup Forums. I'll be hanging out for a bit, feel free to continue to ask anything you like.
Whelp, if you make no effort to understand something, you never will, and that's your right. Trans people aren't going anywhere though, much to the chagrin of various groups and cults throughout all of human history. Sorry to burst your bubble, /polgbt/ user.
that's actually a very good explanation. I'd ask more questions but I have work in the morning. thanks for the talk, user.
No problems user, hope your day at work is productive.
Last chance to ask anything, I'll hang out for another 5 mins. I don't give a fuck what you ask, this is Sup Forums. If anything the surprise of being asked something new would be nice.
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I feel like transgender people are just people who dont get enough attention by their parents so they have to resort to transitioning their gender, to get negative attention, Because for them, negative attention is still attention.
>This has little to do with societal acceptance
How do you know that, exactly?
Oh dear, some people don't know how to use google
"I feel"
"can i get some backup"
"I believe"
No one gives a fuck about what you feel, what you believe, or what backup you want.
Being trans is not considered mentally unstable. How do we know this? because there is an entire fucking academic field that studies psychology. And another one that studies neuroscience. And another one that studies chemistry. And they all give us this wonderful thing called SCIENCE.
The same fucking thing that lets you post your shitty uneducated opinions on a forum.
Get over it. If you are scare of trans ppl, you are the one with a mental disorder (a phobia).
Sort of. Like trans people have always been around just either exiled to like Thailand or another place more accepting or they would be underground as fuck only dressing in drag at gay bars which were also underground at the times and you needed to know someone to get in to them (usually in the basement of a straight bar or some such place in a ghetto area). Diane Arbus photographed a bunch of trans along with the rest of societies unwanted. Media speaks about them more but their numbers are still at 1% of the population for official diagnosis not your cousin wanting to be called Skylar on Facebook, but people seriously trying to take HRT and switch genders is 1%
There is no such thing as an "official diagnosis" of being trans.
You choose if you are trans.
Being trans is not a mental disorder. It is not in DSM5. You aren't fucking diagnosed with it.
Both of these people are correct.
No, you are diagnosed with GID or gender dysphoria. It is in the DSMIV and V.
hey as a tumblr-y person in general i'd just say that being any kind of lgbt usually comes with a lot of depression and shit
Gender Identity Disorder is in the DSM, anyone claiming to be trans without GID has no idea what they are taking about. It is common slang for a technical term like saying someone with Dissociative Identity Disorder has multiple personality even though medically there is no such thing as multiple personality disorder people understand they are two different terms for the same exact mental condition
Gender Dysphoria is not trans.
Gender dysphoria can occur if you -ARE- trans, and feel uncomfortableness resulting from being trans (mainly due to society discriminating against you)
For example, if someone is born male, but feels like a girl inside, and isn't able to express that, they may experience gender dysphoria.
You can be trans without gender dysphroria.
GID doesn't exist in DSM anymore (they replaced with with gender dysphoria)
And no one other then russians use ICD for mental diagnosis. Plus it will most likely switch to gender Dysphoria in the next ICD as well, as they tend to match DSM.
ya ill back that up why tho because, people that chose to kill people are call crazy. also if u chose to cut your self theres something wrong right??? well you chose to be a woman or a man and cut off your tits or cock. i would say there something wrong there.
NOT ANYMORE. just wikipedia it. it's like in the first paragraph. DSM only has gender dysphoria now.
And really the only reason gender dysphoria is in the DSM is so insurance companies or governments can pay for sex-reassignment surgery.
If you want legit answers try Sup Forums. If you ask for sources 9 times out of 10 you'll get them.
How in the hell can you be trans without wanting to be the other gender that is literally what defines someone as trans
Gender Dysphoria isn't saying you want to be the other gender. It's just saying you are getting a bunch of problems as a -result- of wanting to be the other gender.
E.g. if a guy dresses like a girl, says he is a girl, but doesn't want a sex change at the moment, she CAN identify as trans.
If however, she feels anxious when she has to dress as a boy or use the boys washroom, she may fit the symptoms for gender dysphoria.
One medical solution to gender dysphoria is sex reassignement surgery. (e.g. give the person the ability to express themselves as the gender they identify with)
But gender dysphoria is not the same thing as being trans. Not everyone who is trans will have gender dysphoria. And not everyone who has gender dysphoria will identify as trans.
I can't believe it took one youtube video's time for this to devolve into splitting hairs.
Yo, my friend is trans. Know him for years and his about to get his dick chopped into sashimi witha legal name change and everything.
I dont mind bein his friend on the grounds that its not my dick under the knife, i just want to retain the ability to call him a faggot.
What am i in for?
It's pretty mean to do it to their face, but whatever, it's your friend. They will generally not react well unless they're full redpill.
He's kind of Shit talker and like most women, will talk mess until he gets scorched like a jew.
When i asked what am i in for; do i treat him as a woman all of a sudden? Cause according to him, hes been a woman forever.
Also, i call him fag to his face like i do the rest of my guy friends. More satire than substance. However, i feell like all thats going to change because we've related to him as a man.
Ultimately you will be able to get away with treating them the same, I think, just keep in mind that you are talking to someone who may be a tad more fragile. Probably a safe bet to treat them like quite a tomboyish girl.
Yeah I think that's gonna depend on how stealth they are and what the company is. Around people who know about it all? Go for it. In public, absolutely not. I mean, you can, but it would be pretty mean-spirited to out them to everyone else around.
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