Tell me about the 49ers Sup Forums

Tell me about the 49ers Sup Forums

I remember they were just in the Superbowl led by Collin. They had a really good team

Whered did everything go so wrong? I'm not a 9ers fan just curious I thought you guys were elite but I see you're 1-8 now

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Before, they had a good coach named John Harbaugh, now they have a shit coach named Chip Kelly.

That's pretty much it.

Wait what happened to harbaugh ?

He coaches the Ravens now

he went to Michigan

i don't follow the 49ers but I think they didn't want to give him a new, big contract

demoted to high school.

They have one of the worst owners in the league who ran off the only good coach he ever managed to get. Explains the whole situation

I haven't been following football since 2012

wtf was his contract up

Like half of their team retired in one off-season... it was weird as fuck

The Niners front office is so fucking retarded they didn't understand that they had the Golden Egg-laying Goose right in their fucking pen with Harbaugh so they kept pissing him off in the press and trying to diminish his power over the team because they are fucking incompetent fucks. So Harbaugh took his dream job at Bithagain University and the Niners took Mr. Memeball himself

Also their defense was their identity when they went to the Super Bowl, now it's a fucking joke

well shit

Is kaepernick still elite? I remember Sup Forums ranked him as elite back when he took them to the super bowl

Add Jarryd 'Porno' Hayne and they win the Superb Owl.

He had to step down after his assistant coach Jerry Sandusky was accused and convicted of arranging improper benefits for his summer camp recruits

>1-8

That's honestly the worst record in the league. At least the browns know they suck and don't care. San Francisco is actually trying and sucking this hard

no he's fucking garbage. He got a huge contract and it went to his head. Now he's a vegan, he dropped a bunch of weight, he doesn't have the arm strength or accuracy anymore and he's too much of a pussy to take off and run like he used to. He's clearly more interested in the press conferences than the actual practices or games too now

Let me know when they get the number 1 pick because you said so, nigger

Players said that Harbaugh was pushing them too hard during practice and they burnt out in his last season. Colin was a read-opinion qb and he always threw it to his primary receiver (ex. final drive in the super bowl) so it did not not long for teams to recognize all his moves and counter them. Once Harbaugh left, the veteran core left with him since they were so exhausted from playing in his system (Patrick Willis) or they loved him so much that they couldn't stay on the team without him. The young players showed the most discontent towards Harbaugh and that's what caused the divisions in the locker room especially between them and the veterans. Front Office sided with the young players because they saw them as the future but most weren't that good so it was a wasteful investment. Top that off with the destruction of their identity and culture when they demolished Candlestick and moved to Santa Clara, and it isn't hard to see why they are so bad now

>led by colin
kek
they'd have won if it were smiff, and harbaugh would still be there and those 40 guys wouldnt have retired early and they'd still be winning 12 games a season

49er fan here

Because of 49ers GM Trent Baalke mainly, with help from Jed York

The years they were good, they had a team full of good veteran players, both from free agency and from the years on drafting near the top in the 2000s leaving them good players.

In 2015, a lot of the good veteran players who made a core of the team left either in free agency or a handful retired (the best ones, Willis and Justin Smith and Borland did as well), and the front office of York and Baalke were too proud to let Harbaugh compete with them, so they decided to get rid of him

And sure, it doesn't help that Kaepernick has gotten exposed as awful each year since his rookie year

But the biggest reason is that 49ers GM Trent Baalke has been absolutely god-awful at drafting. Yeah it's unfortunate about all the players leaving in one offseason, but that's to be expected, when you have a great team you're gonna have good players who will get contracts elsewhere. But Baalke has a shit ton of draft picks every year since 2012, and the team has very little to show for 4 years of drafts because of how many picks, HIGH ROUND PICKS, he has completely burned

And people like to say how baalke is great at getting value in free agency contracts, but the 49ers haven't had a big name free agent join them since Randy Moss in 2012, and basically all the free agents they get are these middling backups whose contracts only look good because they are small money deals cause they players are mediocre

Kaep was never that good, but could rely on his athleticism. Now he doesn't have that anymore.

Defenses also caught on to players like him pretty quickly. Cam and the Panthers are having a horrible year, so pretty much the only QB left standing from the black, running/option QB meme of a few years ago is Wilson.

See also

they all got injured and died

pretty uninteresting really

everyone wants to write a novel about it but that's it.

Chump Kelly
t. Igglesfan
I hope his tenure at the 49ers doesn't constitute sabotage like it did ours, but it's not looking good.

What happened between Harbaugh and York deserves an essay at least

I see. Well now I hope they keep sucking

Kap is one of the few players left from that squad, and he happened to be one of the least important stars on that team. Oh, and the coach is gone and the shitty management are still there. At least they got a fancy new stadium out of it.

Alright user, I want an 490 word essay on my desk, 7:00am sharp. Get to it!

>Create a huge media shitstorm by protesting the national anthem.
>Leverage protest to create nearly unprecedented national interest in the team
>Blow it all the fuck up by admitting to not voting.

Colin Kaepernick quite literally destroyed your franchise for decades.

>Now he's a vegan
Might be his biggest mistake

Thought that trend was dead

This is going to happen to Dak Prescott next season

so who the heck did you guys draft in those 4 years?

busts?

>>Blow it all the fuck up by admitting to not voting.
hahaha what was the point of protesting then

You see, elections are the system of the man, if you vote, you're just supporting your oppressors see?

It can really be bored down to one sentence:

The NFL figured out the read option.

>too young to watch steve young
>tfw growing up during the horrible span of 2003-2009
>smiff finally gets good
>Kyle Williams singlehandedly blows the NFC championship
>kap shits the bed in the superb owl
>everyone from 2012/3 leaves/retires
>another decade of sub .500 seasons awaits

its not fair

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>This is going to happen to Dak Prescott next season

>being a vegan in Dallas
also dak seems laid back Colin was a rich as fuck kid growing up.

also the o line for Dallas is all pretty young and they have elliot and a defence that is playing ok. their offense should be good for seasons to come.

that's retarded the only way to change the system is to vote

I mean I kind of understand but if you want real change you have to hold your represenatives accountable for their actions these are the guys that pass laws

i honestly thought you guys were at the begining of a new era instead it's seattle

teams didn't "figure kap out" his team has fucking sucked due to injuries since 2014. he's the same fucking qb as in 2012 with abysmal talent surrounding him and nothing more. defenses like to say they figured him out but truth is they can't stop him when he has protection and targets which is why you only ever see them saying such things when the niners collectively suck.

greg roman got exposed and injuries dismantled the team. any opinion that doesn't weight this fact first and foremost is utterly retarded.

kap on a team where he doesn't have to play comeback hero every game and with a good running game would be fucking lethal right now. but the 49ers suck dick so kap and any qb you toss in there is predictably bad. alex smith would have gotten murdered by now.

They bet the house on a meme and lost.

That simple senpai

>New owner
>Fires one of the better coaches in the NFL
>Most of the good players quit/leave the team
>Lose more to off the field fuck ups
>Interim coach, followed by meme coach
>Krap is physically and mentally broken, no longer a competitive QB
>Divides the locker room with his anthem protests
Basically they're the new Browns.

What's funny is after they went to the Bowl, I remember talking to a Niners fan on her, and he was convinced they were going to become a dynasty because they were better at evaluating talent than any other team.

Goes to show how fast things can go south.

Kap was never great. He had a few big games against teams that were clueless about how to defend the read option. The fact is the Niners were stacked at one point, and Alex Smith would have led them to an Owl appearance if special teams didn't have two turnovers.

at this point kap should become a tranny to go all in for his SJW persona

They also had about 5 players retired young because muh CTE, including Patrick Willis.

Kill yourself retarded Auscunt, Hayne did fuckall when he was there.

Dak barely even runs, he uses his arm to do almost everything.

Ask me how I know.

Richard Sherman literally closed the door to their championship window in January of 2013.

How do you know

Owners stopped giving a fuck once they got their new stadium.

Stopped spending money on free agents
Fired their top-tier coach because he was too loud and outspoken(and expensive)
Replaced that coach with a man who looks like he sleeps in dumpsters
Half the defense retired early rather then play for the 49ers
Traded Alex Smith, a decent quarterback that was finally coming into his own thanks to excellent coaching, because Kaep was able to meme a couple of wins.
Shitty drafting, probably because the owners don't want to pay for decent scouts, even though they could easily pay a couple of Silicon Valley nerds to develop an algorithm to maximum draft pick value or some shit.

He's been 'protesting' by doing literally nothing. Of course he was too lazy to vote.

Jim, not John. John was Baltimore.

>Kap was never great
yes he was

Lay off the crack.

kys baby dick

His best statistical season is barely better than Wilson's worst season, and they're both option quarterbacks. So are you admitting Wilson is great?

Who is the mastermind behind Kelly though?
When McDaniels went and killed the Broncos for a decade it was under Belichick's orders, but who is Kelly serving under?

by what stat?

he was ranked 3rd and 7th in DVOA in '12 and '13

>muh advanced stats
His best stats over a 16 game season are about 4k total yards and 25 touchdowns. How do you get great from that when Newton and Wilson have had seasons that smash those numbers?

Their numbers didn't become great until after QB friendly rule changes.

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Wilson had 30 TDs and 3600 yards as a rookie in 2012. Newton had 35 TDs and 4700 yards as a rookie in 2011. The position became friendly before Kaepernick entered the league.

Kaepernick has never been great. He was good for two seasons.

go on really your expert analysis is definitely beyond the scope of the bean counting i've done

Virtually identical except that Kaepernick had a better defense, probably

So get this

Harbaugh was mad that York wanted to essentially run the team a both a manager and coach like Jerry jones

John was pissed but decided to coach for one more year

Sadly for him the team just suffered loses through FA and retirement

Despite a much different team he led them to a 9-7 record which missed the playoffs

Mad that York was serious about being the final word he left to Michigan university


Now the team is ran under a complete fucking idiot who essentially makes every single decision and so far is terrible at it

Woah, so you dismissed Newton's and Wilson's numbers because you seem to think the league became more quarterback friendly in the last 2 to 3 years compared to 2012 and 2013, but then you think that it's actually useful to compare Kap's stats to a quarterback that played over 20 years ago? No, just no.

I gave you two contemporary quarterbacks that play the position similarly to Kap, and both have superior stats.

Don't forget that the players had their feelings hurt by that big meanie coach.

How the hell does that guy fit his hair into a helmet?

And those players ended up being complete nobodies

>Kap's stats to a quarterback that played over 20 years ago?
With better numbers than Cam and Wilson until the rule changes.

Cam threw a lot of picks his rookie season and he declined every season after until the QB friendly rule changes.

Comparing Wilson's raw numbers in his rookie season's to kap's is fucking retarded because he only started 7 games you dumpass.

I posted an actually relevant comparison to that of which you have no valid response because you're a fucking moron.

Kap started dating a BLM activist and stopped studying game film.

Fine, I'll take the bait. What rule changes have occurred since 2012 that suddenly made the position so much more friendly?

>Comparing Wilson's raw numbers in his rookie season's to kap's is fucking retarded because he only started 7 games you dumpass.
I compared Wilson's rookie numbers to Kap's best 16 game statistics (2013 and 2014), not Kap's 2012 season, dumbass.

>I posted an actually relevant comparison
Yeah, sure, nevermind that quarterbacks are averaging a thousand more yards and ten more touchdowns per season compared to 25 years ago.

>nevermind that quarterbacks are averaging a thousand more yards and ten more touchdowns per season compared to 25 years ago

That's exactly why he's saying your comparison with Steve Young is stupid, you mong

>Fine, I'll take the bait. What rule changes have occurred since 2012 that suddenly made the position so much more friendly?

have you been living under a rock? not gonna spoon feed you. i'll just leave this here mobile.nytimes.com/2015/01/18/sports/football/as-rules-protect-quarterbacks-nfl-defenses-are-on-the-defensive.html

They basically made it so that unless you cleanly sack the QB, nearly any other form of contact, is penalty.

>I compared Wilson's rookie numbers to Kap's best 16 game statistics (2013 and 2014), not Kap's 2012 season, dumbass

And his rookie season isn't some shining success compared to kap's best season so you're retarded no matter what.

>Yeah, sure, nevermind that quarterbacks are averaging a thousand more yards and ten more touchdowns per season compared to 25 years ago.
And yet the two you named barely compare to steve young in their best season.

youtube.com/watch?v=faR23IdwZ1c&list=PLujiz1ir3ISS-yOhyaTUkUdmJ91N4ANhq&index=1

Basically, 49ers GM Trent Baalke had this "knack" for drafting some players who had torn ACLs in college. The excuse made for this was that since the roster was so strong, it was better to take a chance on these torn ACL guys who fell in the draft due to the injury. They wouldn't need to play their rookie year (because of the team's depth) to rehab, and if they recovered well, they would be a huge steal

Well, what happened was pretty much all these players he took (Tank Carradine round 2, Marcus Lattimore round 4, DeAndre Smelter Round 4, Brandon Thomas Round 3) completely busted. Thomas Smelter and Lattimore didn't do shit, Carradine is a mediocre player.

Not only were those picks basically wasted, but yeah, he definitely wasted a ton of other high draft picks. I'm not gonna list em all, but you can check out pro football reference's 49ers draft history and look at the career AV of the players in the 2012-2016 drafts. All these wasted high picks meant the roster was barren of high pick players who should be replacing veterans and making a difference on the field.

In addition to the wasted picks, he is completely incapable or unwilling to sign free agents here and basically only gets these middling backups that make very little difference on the field.

And guys, please stop listening to the idiots blaming Kaepernick and Harbaugh alone ITT. They don't know shit. yeah, Kaepernick's collapse has definitely hurt the team, and so did harbaugh leaving. But Trent Baalke (and by extension Jed York) are why this team sucks so much.

And the worst thing about all of this is that the Seattle Seahawks, the division rival with the worst, most annoying fanbase in professional sports, basically built their team exactly like how we wanted to from the start (smashmouth run game, elite defense), did it way better, and have had way more success with it, beat us every time, and will probably go down as the best string of teams in a single decade ever

>mobile.nytimes.com/2015/01/18/sports/football/as-rules-protect-quarterbacks-nfl-defenses-are-on-the-defensive.html
Not a single rule change since 2012 is mentioned. All they said is illegal contact is being emphasized again. Quarterbacks couldn't be hit high or low since 2008, so that doesn't apply. Let me help you:

pro-football-reference.com/years/NFL/passing.htm

Since 2012, average passing yards are up by about 18 per game. TDs are up by .1 per game. Kaepernick's best season, about 4k yards and 25 TDs. Wilson in his best season had 4500 yards and 35 TDs. Newton had 4500+ yards and 45 TDs. Their statistical advantage over Kaepernick far exceeds the average increase between 2012 and 2015.

>And his rookie season isn't some shining success compared to kap's best season so you're retarded no matter what.
30 touchdowns in his rookie season compared to Kap's best season of 25 TDs in his 3rd year as a pro?

>And yet the two you named barely compare to steve young in their best season.
Uh, except their best seasons crush Kaepernick's, but oh yeah, it's just the rule changes, which apparently don't apply when comparing two quarterbacks 25 years apart, but god forbid you compare seasons 3 years apart.

You Motherfucker! Trent Baalke Fucking built that SuperBowl caliber team!

>Not a single rule change since 2012 is mentioned. All they said is illegal contact is being emphasized again. Quarterbacks couldn't be hit high or low since 2008, so that doesn't apply. Let me help you:
Holy shit you're fucking retarded. They changed literally every single rule since 2014 as it pertains to

1. contact with the receiver
2. contact with the quarterback

They made sweeping rule changes that are too numerous to list from roughing the passer to contact inside of five yards -- all to the benefit of the QB.

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pro-football-reference.com/years/NFL/passing.htm

This shows a significant jump in passing yards. Keep in mind the NFL also lost the their passing yard monster in Peyton Manning during this time period as well the football has been moved up 5 yards so offenses tend to start with shorter fields and thus have less opportunities to gain yards.

>30 touchdowns in his rookie season compared to Kap's best season of 25 TDs in his 3rd year as a pro?
lolwut? You're combining passing and rushing TD's. Wilson had 26 passing TD's and Kap had 21, Wilson also had two more INT than Kap and virtually identical passing yards.

>Uh, except their best seasons crush Kaepernick's, but oh yeah, it's just the rule changes, which apparently don't apply when comparing two quarterbacks 25 years apart, but god forbid you compare seasons 3 years apart.
Uh, yep. Wilson got to play for a super bowl caliber team every season he has been in the NFL. Kap got to play for such a team for 1.5 seasons. I'd hope he eventually would put up a much better season than Kap.

Can't the fans do anything about this

How can he be stopped