So am I right in thinking that apart from the generals, Sup Forums is pretty much a hub for 16 year year olds now?

So am I right in thinking that apart from the generals, Sup Forums is pretty much a hub for 16 year year olds now?

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My brother is 16 and browses this shithole, he thinks he is the coolest shit spouting out Death Grips and Fantano memes and badly trying to play ITAOTS on guitar

Sup Forums was bad three years ago

now it's just totally unrecognizable

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the internet has always been trash. now its boring trash. anyone got something new?

Try real life

hahahaha

does /mu like death metal?


hahahahah

jesus christ almighty this album sucks


oh god stop, hahahahahaha


srs, the effort for the odd classical/jazz thread is the only reason to return

Sup Forums could be fun when it was trashy

now everybody's obsessed with post-irony, meme genres and not stepping on each other's socio-political toes

reminded me of some classic gore

this is great though

tbf I was 15 when I first came to Sup Forums, now 23, can't believe I've spent over a quarter of my life on this board

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yeah
all of the anthony fans are under 18

dig deeper than the meme threads to the actual discussion and it's literally fine
problem is real threads get almost no replies because everyone comes here for fantano circlejerking and reaffirming their shit taste as good now
get past that shit and we have a strong board, just one with few posters

You're fuckin me senpai
Real life is even more boring tedium
I got a real blood rush working on my tax returns last month

So much this. The last Bill Swag thread I did was nothing but productive discussion. All of the shitty Gorrilaz meme threads still outlived it.

>dig deeper than the meme threads to the actual discussion and it's literally fine
there is a LOT of meme discussion though m8

this all stems from those retarded facebook groups you know

oh i get that for sure. when i come here it's to check up on what people are talking about, which is invariably shit, and otherwise to look for the few dedicated threads that have any value, as well as scanning the catalog for anything else interesting
it is almost guaranteed the top 30 threads in the catalog will be awful though. i wish filters would work for me so i could at the very least get rid of kpop generals

I still like some of the generals, /bleep/ has never really let me down, I don't visit /metal/ often but I doubt much has changed there

the RYM ones have always been bad, no doubt they're getting worse

I'm 27 and I've been here since 2008 so you better respect me

Where do I go to find new music? This was the only place I know. Now it's 70% meme rap and pitchfork

early 2009 here

I miss chillwave so badly

why did we replace it with extremely bland R&B, vaporwave and trap

none of them are as fun

desu RYM still does me a solid

it depends what you like, I used to read the Wire but then something happened to it, otherwise record collecting and generally shopping around and getting recs off friends is another way, if you have friends that are musicians/into music

yeah those generals are the kind of thing i'm talking about- some good discussion (although being generals they do have a tendency to develop thread-killing memes internally) and people who actually know what they're talking about. if those threads made up the bulk of the board we'd be doing good.

all the sub-24s enjoy hiphop, trap, and techno so its pretty easy to hide their threads

You can tell the underage naivety of most of the posters on the board when a lot of the threads are
>[image] thoughts Sup Forums?
>why does Sup Forums hate [artist/album]
>what does Sup Forums think of [artist/album]

>techno
what's wrong with techno

look up some labels you like some bands from, follow the new stuff they sign and try and get into the bands they already have that you've never listened to. there are some good radio shows that play 0-plays-tier bandcamp shit that i sometimes get obscure recs from, too.

sometimes i'll also just pick a genre tag on bandcamp and look for intriguing album covers/ band names

none of these are reliable for finding stuff you'll actually like, to be fair, but neither is Sup Forums, and it's a good way to kill time while avoiding shitposting

yeah it seems like a lot of threads now are just new users trying to get (you)s to fit in or threads trying to bait people into affirming the OP's opinions

Sup Forums is a hub for 16 year olds.
The boards most affected by underage are pol mu v tv and b
Honestly if you post on any of those you should be quarantined from going to other boards.

>look up some labels
this too

labels are a great service to music fans, because if it's a good label it at least guarantees some semblance of quality especially if the label is run by an artist itself

for instance the tight knit garage punk labels have some killer stuff that's barely been listened to

I post on Sup Forums yet competently post on /lit/ and Sup Forums regularly

got any garage punk label recs?

rec some good threads right now that aren't getting replies. It's become too tedious for me to even bother browsing the catalog.

>Sup Forums is pretty much a hub for 16 year year olds now?
yes. look at all the rap posts
but sometimes decent threads pop up

In the Red records have some fantastic stuff from this year

Castle Face is always solid

Burger records do a lot of psychedelic garagey stuff but it isn't limited to that

Goner records are still in the game to my knowedge

check out Bananas Magazine - they give out a lot of good recs

I know this is going to sound rayciss, but hip-hop is almost solely responsible for the decline of this board, in the same way that it is almost solely responsible for the decline of civilization in the US.

The only thing worse than boring, vapid, flavor of the month pop music is boring, vapid, flavor of the month pop music that glamorizes crime, poverty, racism, and ignorance.

thanks man, will check all of that out

no it doesn't sound racist. it sounds asinine and bait-y

I don't know if this is serious or not, but rap really did ruin this board.

Hip-hop was around before this board, and so I don't attribute the decline of this board to hip-hop

I do however point to the so called "critics" that this board placed faith in, and how they've become contradictory vessels for their own opinion

I'm looking at pitchfork and it's mindless pandering to millenial slacktivists
I'm looking at Fantano and his nonsensical and badly reasoned videos which contain so many contradictions it's like the fucking bible
I'm looking at Scaruffi, simply because he's the biggest intellectual pseud there is, and there is absolutely no method to his madness whatsoever

>hip-hop is almost solely responsible for the decline of this board
100% correct
>it is almost solely responsible for the decline of civilization in the US
Highly debatable

Scaruffi's Krautrock and Canterbury scene reviews are fucking top tier

rap didn't ruin this board, 14 year olds insecure in their taste coming here to jump on the bandwagon of soundcloud rap in order to feel superior to their peers were the reason for the changes you're talking about. if any genre had approached the mainstream in a similar way it would've been that which 'ruined' Sup Forums and not rap- there's nothing wrong with the music or its content (there's shit music and shit messages in every genre, and in a lot of genres there's also a lot less good music as well)

Hi, I'm 15, you're correct.

Enjoy your ban

Fuck off. You would have been laughed off this board for discussing something as normie as Drake 10 years ago. Now there are threads like "YO DRAKE THE REALIST NIGGA IN THE GAME RN. THAT LAST SINGLE WAS STR8 FIRE." and they get more traffic and more discussion than almost any other threads on the board. It's like walking down the hall in a high school and listening to the rich white kids talk about rap.

If you don't have the ability to find that same information elsewhere, you don't deserve to listen to that music anyways

I won't argue that a lot of his reviews aren't well written, it is rather his distinction between what is worthy of praise and what is not that I don't fully understand.

He doesn't make his criteria clear enough, especially for a man who makes it clear that he believes he is propagating absolute truth

yikes newfag straight from youtube comment section reminiscing

and when was the last time was there a Drake thread anyway? the fuck

I started Sup Forums at that age,, but I was a melodic death/ black metal fvr l!f3 kid back then. Shit's crazy to think that was 5 years ago, marnie stern threads were a thing, Lana Del Ray was like praised like biggie, cold play guy was as popular as fantango, nmh was fresh, sunn was . . . sunn, boris threads were a /daily/, /soc/ threads weren't frowned upon yet, the pixies were the shit, the avalanches was a meme, sharepod and alien voodoo were the shit, subpop records didn't suck that bad, crossely public service announcements were common, and everyone had a townes record

This board died when elitism died.

This.

Elitism wasn't always fun but it did it's job

most discussion on here is derailed by elitism, what the fuck niggas?

>discussion
Elaborate. If you're discussing fucking casual normie shit, it needs to be derailed and you need to be shamed. That's what elitism is.

I'm happy with /groove/ as it is

Ok man fuck you too

>doesn't know what elitism is
>mental age of 14 detected

Depends what tact of elitism we're talking about. If we're talking making a thread about something and proclaiming it to be superior to something else without any evidence, that is empty elitism, and thus, not elitism.

I like those guys who give evidence for why your taste is bad. Hurts a bit but you come out stronger in the end. It's a learning curve.

>I do however point to the so called "critics" that this board placed faith in, and how they've become contradictory vessels for their own opinion
It's really all down to the memecritics.

There are plenty of good music critics that find great material out there, but people on this board coalesce around the bottom of the barrel pleb ones like Fantano and the well known P4K ones.

>There are plenty of good music critics
definitely, however I think we should be pointing to the average listener to be the final critic of the pieces in question. That's why platforms like RYM are a good idea in theory, but when minds become tainted by "memecritics" as it were, things become a little bit more difficult.

I no joke want to start my own platform of music critique that presents two smaller reviews, one pro and one con, written by professionals in an objective manner.

developing your musical palate is what general threads are for, there's usually always a classical, metal, jazz, etc in rotation. that's where youll find this "elitism" you crave

We've already established earlier on in the thread that the generals are by and large the best thing about Sup Forums in its current state.

so why are there people still crying about Sup Forums dying?

people cry about anything anytime, especially when they're ignorant on the issue they're discussing

Because of the general state of Sup Forums

There isn't the same threatening vibe, where your taste could be called out at any moment and you could be exposed as a fraud or a newfag.

I miss the hostility and I want it back.

>I miss the hostility
I bet you think NMH is better than OTC you fucking fag

your taste is shit and yous hould kill yourself lol!
and don't even dare to answer or I'll shag u & ur mom, rofl

/thread, amirite?

nigga what? if anything there needs to be less hostility, people are constantly taste checking each other on here like idiots.

you sound like the guy on the opening pic.

Nah man Dusk is one of my favourite albums of all time.
Again, need I refer you to my statement on empty elitism here

There's nothing wrong with hostility being aimed toward you with a purpose, you just have to hit back with your own purpose or accept that you're wrong. Nobody is asking you to retaliate to shitposting.

I DON'T CARE ABOUT REAL LIFE

except this isn't the board hivemind, so it doesn't happens

no one ever needs to be hostile when discussing music, that's counterproductive and immature. Just recommend shit and articulate your opinion without being aggressive about it. There's a reason why elitism has negative connotations to it. You can be an anti-normie autist without being a dick about it.

I think music journalists having influence and kids trying to emulate them is the biggest problem with this place. Professional writers know jack shit about music--probably can't even read sheet music--and so their reviews are all cultural B.S., and that's reflected in the discourse I typically witness around here outside of generals. Nobody knows how to articulate a thought about a song because their models are people like Fantano who rattle off buzzword adjectives for 20 minutes or p4k virtue signalling. Generals seem to be free of authority figures.

The hostility is rather negated with the concept of anonymity though wouldn't you agree. It's not necessarily as counter-productive and immature as you think. If nobody was challenging you and your taste (as we've seen happen in the very recent history of Sup Forums) we start to backtrack, and I think Sup Forums has become much less challenging and stimulating because of this collective "circlejerk".

Holy fuck what an autism. This is the type of person that drives away their own friends then wonders why

Lmao this never happens

don't worry, he's gonna be really embarrassed when he sees this in a couple of years

I remember a tripfag called Chulthu (or something like that) who liked grunge, every time he tried to start grunge threads, they were derailed with lolicore. Now people call Nirvana patrician lmao

I remember another tripfag called >slowbro, everyone would mock him for his Daft Punk love, now people unironically call French house patrician lls

Cringe

wow what an oldfag my hero

Fuck generals

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Without them this board would be nothing but the Pitchfork and Fantano FotM hype forums.

Derailed? Elitism kept this board with a lot less normies, I'm thankful that I left before it became a board for everyone with "top 40" taste

yeah, I see a lot of people saying they first listened to albums in middleschool/highschool that came out 5 years ago. They young here. They young on Sup Forums in general

And right now it isn't?

Why do these threads need to be persistent like they are? Why do so many generals have off-topic posting and social chatting?

Let's see em, Sup Forums

this

>/bleep/ is a quality general the rest of Sup Forums needs to take a hint or two from /bleep/
>but /bleep/ has as much shitposting as the rest of Sup Forums if not more
>WE DO IT IN ORDER TO SURVIVE IF /bleep/ DIDN'T SHITPOST THERE WOULD BE NO /bleep/

Not in /bleep/, /classical/ or /jazz/

Because if you enjoy those genres, you hang around for people who want to chat about them. Nothing past the most entry-level artists get posted about on the board otherwise.

you guys think it's either neckbeard elitism asshole or top 40 normie when it should be in the middle for various reasons that facilitates interesting and funny conversation

in a real world setting your hostile internet antisocial elitism is actually seen as cancer in enlightening conversation

As the guy above you said, /bleep/ is fucking awful and probably the third worst after /kpop/ and /daily/. Just a load of underaged kids talking about drugs and clubbing and occasionally someone posting a youtube link to a """banger"""

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people have nothing to say but still feel the need to post
the level of chit chat usually indicates the percentage of american posters in a given thread

The only remotely ok general you listed is /jazz/. /bleep/ needs ironic memes and /soc/ shit in order to stay active, /classical/ needs Sup Forums shit and dickmeasuring elitism in order to not 404. /jazz/ has little to none shitposting while maintaining generally quality discussion. Coincidentally it often happens to die without reaching 200 posts, then the next day someone make a new general and the whole business is repeated.

This isn't even all of them now, cba to take a new screenshot

Yet its still better at dance music discussion than the other 150 threads on the board.

>putting the shitpile that is /bleep/ on par with /jazz/ and /classical/
FUCK

OFF

TURNY

>
so basically anyone who likes classical or bleeps should leave Sup Forums because there is no place for them here?

And that takes away how bad it is?
Most of the people on Sup Forums that have rightfully called you out for having lame taste are either pretty well adjusted (CLT) or their life is in shambles (blogchat)