How come there were 2 Iberia? 1 is old georgian nation, and the second one is a regiion in Spain. Did they have any historical contact with each other?
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Noah Phillips
Xavier Hughes
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Luis Brooks
No, there is no relation between those two names
Lucas Morales
why did the regions have similar names? The people living there even spoke a seperate language, the mountains somewhere there had a georgian name.
David Edwards
greeks called our iberia because the locals they had contact would go "ibe ibe". The greeks also called the north portugal+galicia+asturias of ophiusa because some snake-dragon legends
Isaiah Martin
That's a stupid logic. It's like saying that Albania and this Albania and Scot Albania are connected
John Parker
>because some snake-dragon legends
We have a legend about a cova da serpe.
Bentley Richardson
but that still doesn't explain the tribes had georgian names in the regions, not Greek named.
It's not.
Brandon Watson
There was an Albania in the Caucasus too. Also unrelated to modern Albania.
Leo Stewart
The tribes in Georgia were called 'Ibereti' while in Spain no tribe was self-called smth related to iberia
Luis Gomez
I think in Armenian region, but why does that have to do with anything in the thread?
Carter Wilson
Iberia means land of rabbits in ancient Greek. Probably there were lots of rabbits in both places
Samuel Price
The kingdom of Iberia wasn't influenced by the greek at that time.
Mason King
If you're implying that it's because both ancient Spain inhabitants and Georgia inhabitants both weren't Indo-European, then you're right
Thomas Price
yes, they were proto-kartvelians
Hudson Flores
It could also be the ancient name of the river Ebro. We will never know for sure.
Ryder Rivera
Yeaaaahhh, about that.....I doubt it
Ayden Cook
Mediterranean Iberia's name is due to Ebro River in Spain and Caucasus Iberia somehow evolved from how Armenians called Georgia. Both were given names (endonyms) and not the names that locals used themselves from their own languages (exonyms), both made by Ancient Greeks I think. Romans called it Hiberia, derived directly from Iberia, to describe people who lived around river Ebro. As far as I know it's pure coincidence, but I am not an eggspert on the subject.
Georgians called themselves Kartli and their nation Sakartvelo, Armenians called Georgia Virk, related to Svir/Sver (how Georgians were called), then it evolved to Sber and Hber/Hver which created Iberia, but that's just a theory.
The theory that Basques are descendent from same people who inhabited Georgia is highly disregarded
Tyler Taylor
i meant that georgians were kartvelians, how is that doubtable?
Oh well, i guess it's coincidence then. Thank you for clearing things up, it was just weird to me that even the airplane company was called Iberia.
Brayden Butler
I thought you said people of ancient Spain
Isaac Carter
Yeah, it's weird and still not completely clear. The main thing is that both of those names were given by Greeks/Romans who basically called places however they wanted
Similar example here how there is Galicia in Spain, derived from a tribe that Latins called Callaeci, and Galicia in Eastern Europe which was called Halych by locals and Galicia came from the latinized title Rex Galiciae et Lodomeriae ("King of Galicia and Lodomeria") or King of Halych and Volodymr
Camden Morgan
Yes, i can agree on that but there were used old Georgians names. That had Georgian meaning not latin or greek. That's what confused me
Adam Price
Well like I said, it's not an old Georgian name, Iberia is only known in Greek and Roman sources.
Georgia in Georgian is Sakartvelo which comes from region of Kartli
Brayden Gutierrez
Just saw that I messed it up, exonym and endonym should switch places
Mason Brooks
I meant the tribes, they had Georgian meaning. but whatever.
Cooper James
Jose Sanchez
We wuz spanish n sheit
No, there were no connection but names. In fact, even names are not entirely similar. "iberia" for denoting Georgian kingdom comes from ancient persian "varukan" that means "land of the wolves". Spanis ineria comes from "hibernia" i think.
Nicholas James
Damn phone with shitty keyboard
Landon Roberts
*BLOCKS YOUR PATH*
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Thomas Clark
There was never a kingdom of Iberia. There was Tartesso and after it collapsed some citiy states the same way that Greece. The Greeks called those people Iberians and Spain Iberia. And traded with them
Oliver Brooks
i meant georgia, thread pic related.
Lucas Jones
No, that's Hispania