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daleks make a lot more sense this way, actually. they're always reeing all over the place.

Have you seen this man?

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yeah, he took my fucking crisps

why is it blue

Costume looks black to me.
My monitor has shitty colors though.

Pretty much how I pictured his outfit being when he was announced. Love it!

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The clothes are black, yeah. But the hat is blue. Does nobody else notice?

hoping the hat gets sat on so he has to take it off

Also spinning.
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More cliched Victorian shite then

>Victorian top hat

Paternoster gang ep? It's been 2 years since they appeared last.

This is the best thing that has come out of Journey's End.

I doubt it. They were Smith leftovers used to transition into S8.

I honestly though Journey's End was a rather fun romp. I understand the hate for it, but I really can't help but to enjoy it.

My 20-page headcanon about Midnight and the Doctor's hand probably helps. But what's life without some spice

Same. I ended up liking his first outfit anyways though.

Don't be so sure. Capaldi is a fan of them.

>My 20-page headcanon about Midnight and the Doctor's hand
spill the beans

Well we'll have the wait and see if they show up on set.

that's just a shortcut for lazy writers. The role of the person who asks questions can easily be filled by a side character of that same story, or even by the Doctor himself.

>Hello, I'm the Doctor. Would you mind telling me where I am?
>oh this is a factory on the planet zigtag. we sell stuff, and I'm the janitor of this place.

>Doctor, what is that thing? In all my years of being a janitor i've never seen such a thing!
>well, janitor, it's clearly an alien from the planet blargblub!

you know, actually have the main characters engage with the setting they visit.

Perhaps they'll just get a passing reference since this isn't an episode written by Moffat. Only other writer to script them was Gatiss.

Too many characters imo. Episode lost focus and felt rushed.

>@llewellyn_jones #spolieralert There must be aliens in this episode of #drwho as just heard the director say he need more 'humans' in the shot #PeterCapaldi

Is this Dullard's story? So it will be more faux-Dickensian crap with overdone melodrama?

Looks like poor people are being used for manual labour; digging something out of that big hole; sorting and sifting; then packing it.

Notice - perhaps because they are servants - all white people.

lol

>tfw there will never be another true historical episode

>doctor who episode has aliens
WOW! what a leak! get to the press NOW!

Literally because plebs want monsters and quips and say drama is boring.

#SPOLIERALERT The TARDIS will land somewhere and the Doctor and his companion will exit!

Fuck off! No way.

#spoileralert! the doctor and bill walk into a building

Yeah no diversity in slaves. That would be racist. Just many rich POC in victorian times ...

Ouch! lol

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(1) Time Lord brains work with insane simulation power, which is how 12 can (eg) see future timelines in Kill the Moon. This is kinda confirmed in Heaven Sent. A "fixed point" just means that they can't see a way around it. This kinda means Time Lords can be seen as forces of nature, Oncoming Storm etc etc

(2) the creature in Midnight was a Time War weapon developed by the Enemy for use against Time Lords. It works by simulating faster than the Time Lords and turning their power against them: since Time Lords have to do what their brains simulate, when trapped in a causal loop they break, like 10 did.

(3) After taking it back from Jack at the end of S3, the Tenth Doctor - ever the tinkerer - turned his disembodied hand into a Hand-of-Omega-style stellar manipulator. Maybe he was inspired by seeing what Rose could do with the Bad Wolf, and wanted to be able to harness that for himself. The final thing it needed to integrate was a burst of regeneration energy, which explains 10's vanity regen.

(4) When the DoctorDonna/Metacrisis shit happened, not only did Donna become part Time Lord and the Metacrisis become part human, they both got some magic physics powers. The Metacrisis realized this, but Donna didn't. Since the Dalek base in that episode was a Dyson sphere, it explains how they destroyed it and all the Daleks. (Did you seriously think there was a "self destruct" button? The buttons were just symbols for Donna to harness her subconscious.) It also explains how the Tardis was able to tow Earth at the end, even though none of the pilots had ever (reliably) flown it before, and how all the other planets were returned to their places. (Also explains why the Ood were so frenetic about the idea.)

(4) The Doctor knew his weapon had gone out of his control. He'd seen Donna destroy the Daleks without even realizing what she was doing. The Metacrisis and the DoctorDonna were too dangerous to continue living in his universe.

>Since the Dalek base in that episode was a Dyson sphere
No.

So Donna literally became a god and used 'magic physics powers'.

Deus ex machina.

>turned his disembodied hand into a Hand-of-Omega-style stellar manipulator
By what method

So is this show actually good?

I was dragging my feet on Sherlock because it looked so reddit-y, but finally saw it and begrudgingly admit I really liked it. Same people behind it, right?

I still don't think I would bother though. Seems too silly for a thing to get caught up in.

>So is this show actually good?
It's hit or miss.

Try Series 5 Episode 1 Eleventh Hour.

Don't bother mate. With this shitty meme, I mean.

It is silly. Sometimes it's bad and sometimes it's good, it's less consistent because individual writers have more control over episodes they write.

If you like Sherlock, you may enjoy it.

The Doctor had a two-part solution to this problem.

First, he used a bullshit excuse about ruthlessness and love to exile the Metacrisis to another universe. This was necessary, but both the Doctor and the Metacrisis knew that the best way to communicate between universes (as seen in the S2 finale) involves burning up a star. Who better equipped to do that than the Metacrisis?

Donna was a trickier problem, because the mutual understanding wasn't there. As half-Time-Lord, DoctorDonna's brain ran on simulation, but it wasn't as fast as a Time Lord's (cuz she was half-human). So the Doctor was able to use the simulation tricks he'd seen with the Midnight creature and caused Donna to glitch. He used that excuse to lock away the powers in her mind - along with all her memories of traveling with him.

Notice that he says remembering him would kill her, but in End of Time she remembers him and suffers little to no ill effects besides a headache. Not exactly a deathly issue. This exposes the Doctor's lie.

Whatever. It was built around a star.

But at least (in this theory) the means by which she gained these powers would be explained, whereas in the TV show there's just ... a destroy-everything panel lying around? I think my way is a little less DEM.

If we take the "Doctor is the Other" theory from the VNAs to be true, then (per the Remembrance-of-the-Daleks novelization, where the Doctor mentions he helped build the Hand of Omega) he'd at least have the knowledge of the method. No idea what the exact details would be, but he had plenty of time to shop around for prep stuff between Voyage of the Damned and Partners in Crime, I suppose.

>Same people behind it, right?
For 6 years out of the 53 years it's been around. Yes.

The show can be really different at different times. The most Sherlocky stuff would be starting at Series 5 (not Season 5). You know how Sherlock is wankiest in Series 3? Doctor Who is less like that in Series 8 and 9, but peak Moffat-wanky in Series 6.

>It was built around a star.
No it wasn't.

Why did you change your trip Nate?

>As half-Time-Lord, DoctorDonna's brain ran on simulation, but it wasn't as fast as a Time Lord's (cuz she was half-human).
>half-human
three quarter human*

thank you for sharing. i'm too sleepy to fully understand it and i apologise if you are now bullied for sharing your ideas. have a nice day

The Doctor is not the Other. He has some of that person's biodata in his 7th incarnation.
This gives him some residual memories which come to the fore occasionally.

This. Watch Series 5. Then Skip Series 6 and 7 cause they were shit you didn't miss much. then watch the 50th and go straight to Capaldi

legitimate questions are not bullying.

In "The Armageddon Factor", the music that plays when Princess Astra enters the radioactive place or whatever is the Simpsons theme

Worst example of obviously changing the subject EVER

Well in any case there was a giant flaming thing on the inside that Davros tried to drop the Tardis into, and it was massive enough to get stably orbited by a shitton of planets.

Also, I didn't feel it was worth mentioning my name or the episode twice; anyone paying attention would have noticed the first time.

Correct. I guess I don't see much of a difference between "having someone's memories" and "being them", but the biological and factual difference is very important I agree.

Also, fun fact that the Other's biodata was the "corruption" that gave rise to the generation of renegade Time Lords in the Book of the War (there identified as Morbius, the Doctor, the Master, and Grandfather Paradox, but otherwhere equivolated as the Deca).

Happy to do it user! :)

Actually, speakkking of Faction Paradox, my qt3.14 girlfriend last night

In which book is the Deca said to all be from House Lungbarrow and therefore all made by the Loom which the Other sacrificed himself to?

Also the Deca were all contemporaries.

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Like we are actually going to believe this shit

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kys

fake and gay
fake: obvious
gay: your gf is a man, specifically you. man + man = gay

That's the worst autism I've ever seen.

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Are you trying to prove something?

Just saying. Doubters will be doubters :)

In which book is Morbius said to be from House Lungbarrow? He's not, but The Book of the War still hints at the Other. Pretty sure YMMV is a universal rule when it comes to the DWEU; just look at fucking Craig Hinton baka

Doubting what? You are so insecure and autistic that soon as you start talking to a girl you need to spam the thread with screencaps to show off to people that are anonymous?

The fuck has happened to this thread, last time I checked it was about filming pics and Peter's new GOAT coat.

>how it looks
>how they'll grade it

Why don't you read the fucking thread?

The Other's biodata is hinted at creating Heros in the same general mould as the Doctor, who would have been Individuals in the time of the Pythias.
I've never read any association with the evil renegades, like Morbius, before, or the suggestion they are Cousin Ancestors of the Doctor anywhere.

nice meme

it's nice when 2 disabled people find love

I do not understand at least 50% of this. Can you rephrase in english please.

>The Imperator was one of four "mutations" of his generation, four members of the Great Houses whose character and personality were so at odds with the staid values of the Homeworld that they had a drastic effect on the Spiral Politic. The other three were Grandfather Paradox, the War King and, it is implied, another "evil renegade". (The Book of the War)

In the Book of the War, it just says that these mutations were because someone let their biodata corrupt the Breeding Engines

Very vague and open to interpretation, at best.
You are free to make the assumption that this is Other related but this apocrypha has no weight really.

>Yes, the Deca isn't all from House Lungbarrow, so that would appear to cause a problem with the theory. However, Morbius (aka the Imperator) isn't from House Lungbarrow either, yet The Book of the War confirms him to be one of the "mutations" that resulted when someone (aka, the Other) let their biodata corrupt the Breeding Engines (aka Looms). The other three mutations mentioned in The Book of the War were Grandfather Paradox, the War King (aka the Master), and the Evil Renegade (aka the Doctor).

>But keep in mind that your mileage may vary on pretty much everything when it comes to the Doctor Who expanded universe; that is to say, it's vague and open to interpretation. A lot of it is either fanwank or totally contradictory. Just look at the works of Craig Hinton; they make me shake my head. (Which Sup Forums translates into baka for some reason.)

Yeah Craig was a very decent bloke, always very polite, but his fiction goes very much into wank territory for my tastes.
His last book was evidently mainly written by the person who finished it, sadly.

>Also, fun fact that the Other's biodata was the "corruption" that gave rise to the generation of renegade Time Lords in the Book of the War (there identified as Morbius, the Doctor, the Master, and Grandfather Paradox, but otherwhere equivolated as the Deca).
Are you sure about that? I know the Book of the War says that there was "evidence of corruption in the breeding engines' processes" (paraphrasing), but to my knowledge Faction Paradox books have never actually addressed the Other in any way.

>In which book is the Deca said to all be from House Lungbarrow and therefore all made by the Loom which the Other sacrificed himself to?
The Other didn't die in the Lungbarrow loom, he died in the Prime Distributor - the loom that feeds all the others on Gallifrey. It's possible that his biodata cropped up all over. Morbius/the Imperator is from House Dvora, for instance, which is obviously Romana's house (both from the name and the characteristics we're told Dvoras have).

Interesting.

I would have thought the War King was in The War Games and I don't know why the Doctor would ever be catagorised as an 'evil renegade'.

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>The Other didn't die in the Lungbarrow loom
Unlike most others here, I am going to acknowledge this and also say that is correct.
My interpretation was thay this created various Heroes in the Rassilon Era but I'm willing to accept there is room for other possibilities.
I'm NOT really keen on a massive simplification of events where the Other is literally everyone significant in Gallifrey's history though.

Adam is looking rough.

>(1) Time Lord brains work with insane simulation power, which is how 12 can (eg) see future timelines in Kill the Moon. This is kinda confirmed in Heaven Sent. A "fixed point" just means that they can't see a way around it. This kinda means Time Lords can be seen as forces of nature, Oncoming Storm etc etc

>(2) the creature in Midnight was a Time War weapon developed by the Enemy for use against Time Lords. It works by simulating faster than the Time Lords and turning their power against them: since Time Lords have to do what their brains simulate, when trapped in a causal loop they break, like 10 did.

I actually love this a LOT. Because the Doctor doesn't really have any powers or skills outside of being able to think incredibly quickly and form a plan of action in seconds. It helps he has time on his side too.

Addendum - surely Rassilon and Omega's biodata is in the pool somewhere, for example.

You get to be buried dressed as a doctor or companion. Who would you choose?

What theme would play as they lower your tardis coffin into the dirt?

The interior of your tardis coffin would be fashioned in whatever incarnation you choose, what is it?

I'd personally like my lifeless corpse to be propped up in a Davros chair, soundtrack to Genesis of the Daleks playing and repeated audio clips of Daleks screeching 'EXTERMINATE!' as I am wheeled off the edge of a large precipice into an old quarry

The War King is the Master, but that doesn't mean he's not the War Chief. The last lines of the War King's entry in BOTW say that he has a hypercube of white squares stacked on his desk, and that it's his last link to his old life, which seems to be a clear reference to The War Games.

Well, if you're a Craig Hinton fan, clearly the War Chief is the Master, duhh. But yeah, the whole Faction Paradox series is set during the Time War, so shit gets wacky. And yeah, As for the Evil Renegade, that's propaganda from the Time War; when the Time Lords took the 7th Doctor's companion Chris Cwej and decided he worked as a more reliable agent if he remembered the Doctor as an Evil Renegade that had kidnapped him and subjected him to evil experiments. The name kinda stuck (in the Faction Paradox universe, at least). I like to think of it as another name for the War Doctor.

Maybe I'm misremembering ... I'll double check against my copy the next time I'm with it. (Thanks for clearing up that Other / Prime Distributor bit.)

Thanks! Glad someone liked it :)

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Would it be? Rassilon's original body is still in the Dark Tower, and Omega is still trapped inside that other dimension. Both bodies are accounted for. Though I suppose Rassilon was also uploaded to the Matrix. Does Lungbarrow ever mention if the Matrix and the loom network are connected, actually?

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Lay off the pies Colin.

I have no idea what anyone is talking about right now. How do I get into this "Other" shit, is it in the VNAs?

>I like to think of it as another name for the War Doctor.
I like to think of the bit in Day of the Doctor where the Time Lords refer to him as "The Renegade" as a Faction Paradox reference. I know it's not, but still.

It starts with the novelisation of Remembrance of the Daleks, then Cat's Cradle: Time's Crucible, then Lungbarrow, and then Faction Paradox kind of incorporated all the weirdest bits of Doctor Who it could find.

Yeah, Lungbarrow is the only book that goes into detail, but there are hints throughout the VNAs (and even some McCoy episodes). You'd nearly be better off reading the wiki articles though, there's a lot of crap to wade through.

I wonder if they'll cast someone as the Other in the Cold Fusion audio? It could be the first time the character's been portrayed by an actor, apart from the whole Brain of Morbius thing.