What's wrong with the wall, part II

What's wrong with the wall, part II

If "too expensive" isn't an argument, why did trump sell it by saying he'd force Mexico to pay for it? Seems like Trump thought it was a valid argument.

Because he's a bullshitter. His proposed budget shows a clear path to paying for the wall with all the drastic cuts.

this. he's a dumbass and everyone fell for it. He's slashing funding in tons of already-needy areas, and instead using it to pay for his wall. "THEY'LL PAY FOR IT LATER LOL I PROMISE" is his argument.

The wall is absolutely retarded in the first place. Cartels already dig under the wall we have and they dig tunnels faster than border patrol, FBI, and DEA can find them.

Trump is a retard and a liar. If you got sold, unsell yourself, because he's a fucking idiot. Unsell yourself on that alone. I haven't even mentioned the fact that he raped his first wife and settle out of court, or all those women he sexually assaulted. Or the fact that his "university" and "charity" were and are scams.

Or the fact that he never gave a shit about the average american until around 2 years ago when he suddenly had a YOOGE change of heart and decided he was going to forgo his life of luxury and start working for the everyman, because his heart is just made of gold.

oh yeah also, $183 MIL OF YOUR TAX MONEY GOING TO FREE SECURITY FOR TRUMP TOWER HAHAHAHA oh man americans got scammed so hard

bump

I don't care who pays for it. We need it, everyone knows it, especially all the mexicans that have come here legally.

it'll pay for itself in savings, and lives lost to cartels that are killing each other for a stake in American drug sales.

"muh tendies are at stake" LOL fuckoff deadbeat lazy nigger

>implying a wall will stop cartels at all

i don't read: the post

He might be pretty bad, but he was definitely the lesser of two evils.

The fact that he's got the worst pieces of shit in America all pissed off says something good though.

>implying what we have as basically open borders is good enough

Keep trying to convince yourself you made the right choice. I have a bridge to sell you in London.

>$183 MIL OF YOUR TAX MONEY GOING TO FREE SECURITY FOR TRUMP TOWER

This, and a bunch more to secure us from islamists, just so we can be accepting of muslims.

Rich white liberals with armed security say "it's worth the risk to bring in the poor muslims and fill up your poor towns", LOL

Because it IS too expensive and it won't accomplish a single thing. It's a purely symbolic gesture to make the dumb shits of this country feel better about their unemployment cheques. The problem is, that it's the educated, employed payers, the Democrats in the cities, that will have to pay for an ego boost for human trash.

The GOP keeps railing about the net taker society when the GOP's staunchest supporters are the net takers.

well Ok, whatever

i don't spend every day wishing "I could have gone to Canada but their bar was too high"

There is nothing wrong with the wall.

Those cuts far exceed any cost of the wall and those cuts are justified. The goal is to deconstruct the federal government and hand more responsibility back to the states.

>implying a wall will work better than the current fence.
>implying stealing land from Americans to build that wall is worth it.
>implying most your tax dollars are best put to use defending against a perceived threat that's not really a threat at all.
Ever watch a magic show? Where the magician shows you one thing while manipulating something else? You're being scammed and you love it.

He IS one of the worst pieces of shit in america. He's involved in just as much backdoor secret illegal shit as Clinton. They even share some of the same billionaire pedophile friends.
>implying cartels care about borders at all

You know nothing about the way drugs arrive in the US. They don't just walk them in on foot and make pit stops at streetcorners for distribution like fucking drug UPS. They're already sneaking them in and defeating our borders, security, and anything else we got. Even if they lose a huge shipment, it's still worth it for them to keep shipping, because illegal drugs are a huge business.

They've taken a huge hit because of legalization of marijuana in some areas. If weed becomes legal everywhere, there will be no reason for people to buy illegal weed, and no profit for them.

And guess what? It doesn't cost however many billions of dollars to legalize weed. In fact, it MADE the government $1 billion last year.

They will dig under the wall. They will fly over it. They will drive through the checkpoints. But when there's no market, the product will cease to be imported.

>Because it IS too expensive and it won't accomplish a single thing.

making those predictions.

1. Trump won't win (wins)

2. Economy will crash if he does (economy soars)

You idiots are batting zero lately.

Those are not "already needed areas" The funding cuts are more than just saving money they are about reducing the bureaucracy and scope of the federal government.

>the current fence

what? what current fence? the one that is not even complete?

Get this faggotry out.

Well, if he channels it through the DoD, then he could use the almost limitless resources of the US military to fund it. DoD wont like that, but he could try it.

The other biggest reason against the wall is that it inhibits growth along the boarder. Lets say that some towns along the board, not next to a current crossing, begin to experience major growth. If the US wants a new highway into mexico close to these growth locations, then it would have to knock down its rather expensive wall. Thus, any community that would have a crossing at the time of the build would stand to gain from the funnelling of taxes and political power, in that it would hurt the government to open another crossing after the wall was built. Also see "leverage"

40% of illegals cross from the southern border illegally. There are tens of thousands of illegal crossing yearly. Yes the wall will do its job. Just look at hungry.

people that really hate trump:

1. niggers
2. Illegal aliens
3. feminists
4. muslims

I don't see anything worth worrying about here. I think shitty people should be uncomfortable and desire to leave.

Nothing of value is lost when horrible people are all pissed off and shitting themselves.

I'm not even really a trump fan, but seeing how you idiots come unglued has been palpable.

There's no prediction in there, and don't forget, you chose to lose. You decided that to hurt educated people, the people paying your welfare, you had to cast a vote against your own countrymen.

The economy is still riding Obama's leadership, call me in four or eight years when the Democrats are having to rescue the country from the GOP yet again. You voted for failure because you hope failure will hurt people with in-demand skills before it hurts you and your drop-out pals. It won't, you continue to choose to fail at every step.

>transportation cuts
>public media and arts cuts
>healthcare cuts because he has a YOOOGE plan that will fix everything
>EPA cuts because climate change is a chinese economic scam
>Medical research cuts because there's no reason for the US to be a leader in medical technology and treatment

Yeah, things we don't need.

I can't respond to the facts: the post.

>Obama's leadership,

The one that ceased economic growth nearly altogether?

slowest economic growth since 1894, no kidding

He is going down without ever getting his face on a coin, because he was one of the worst presidents we ever had.

We're deeper in debt than we've ever been, and it almost doubled due to his shitty policies.

Now, 19 trillion in debt due to Obama.

Yes, that's the reason he won. Idiots like you voting in a moron to see smarter people freak out.

So... the facts don't bare out what you say

The average trump voter earns $79K

Now, your argument fails under the slightest scrutiny.

it almost doubled due to the stupid bailout needed to keep the economy from crashing due to stupid Republican policies that allowed greedy assholes to line their pockets on the backs of the American people.

the ecosystem will be fucked by a wall. thats the n umber 1 reason its stupid. the number 2 reason is it wont work. in 2015 we had more chinese illegal immigrants than mexican. we dont need more border police we need more immigration officers that kick people out who overstayed their visas if thats what this is all about.

Sure thing

stupid communist rhetoric

Failed "equal housing" policies forced on them by the government cause them to loan money to shitty people, or be charged of racism.

When they didn't pay back the loans (as everyone should have known they wouldn't)
the economy crashed.

Those fair housing laws are policies that were forced on banks, ergo why the government was forced to bail them out when it crashed.

Read a book some time, so you can learn this for yourself.

The government had no choice but to bail them out, since the policies were forced on the banks by the government.

>Obama ceased economic growth altogether
>nigga who saved the economy after Bush set it up for a recession is the one who ruined it

O OK

income is not a measure of intelligence.

The average Trump voter is also white, but that also doesn't say anything about intelligence.

Is it really possible there's a clear path to build it? In terms of privately owned land, natural barriers and not cutting off Americans?

In general Trump cut xour research budget pretty hard. That may or may not fuck your economy a lot, since the USA was always about developing new technologies and selling them to other countries. If he really does the cuts, he wants to, the EU will be ahead in research from this year on.

>The average trump voter earns $79K

When your country is in debt 8 trillion, and you take it to 19 trillion, then it is not because you favored making American business strong.

Its because you chose to spend more than you took in.

We couldn't survive another 4 years of Obama. It would crash down around us, and the whole US would be like Detroit.

Worst president in probably more than 200 years.

>government had no choice but to bail them ou
Then why argue that Obama increased the national debt? It had nothing to do with him.

>>Obama's leadership,
>The one that ceased economic growth nearly altogether?

when obama was elected the dow was at 12000, when he left office it was at an all time high

when he took office there was a housing crisis and unemployment was at 10%, do you even history? do you even Bush?

it's only 4 times the wall of Israel, how many times bigger is the US and it's economy?

its probably true.

a lot of $10K earners in trailerparks,
and a small number of $10,000,000, or even a few $1,000,000,000 earners at the top who will get all his tax cuts, will average out to 79K...

you're preaching to the choir here my friend. I knew trump was a bad idea from day one.

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>The average trump voter earns $79K

lol

>Then why argue that Obama increased the national debt? It had nothing to do with him.

The bailout occurred during the bush years you moron -but the "fair housing for shitty people that don't pay their bills" policies were put in by democrats for democrats.

we give so much funding to mexico every year, they might as well be paying for it when we stop sending them the fucking check

It was at 10.2, when he took over, but you are right, during his presidency, the debt exploded.

But what would you do? The problem with debt is, that it is a downward spirale. Either you increase taxes and cut spendings, which damages the economy and leads to less taxes. Or you make debt and boost the economy in the hopes of more taxes through better economy.
Either way, both of those approaches need to be done in very tiny steps and Trump is going the fastlane.

it's easy to find. Lots of business owners are trump supporters. law enforcement, military, border patrol, working class, and educated earners. Mostly tax payers were trump supporters.

The leftist media puts out a lot of nonsense on the issue, because they don't want the masses that burn and destroy on their doorsteps.

It's popular to hate and mock trump, and you cant be with the cool kids unless you hate Trump.

You have be all about white guilt to hate trump.

It's now OK to hate white people in public, and encouraged to attack verbally and physically and pronounce your love of black lives, mexicans, illegal immigrants and Islam.

Thanks, Obama didn't increase the national debt as much as he's credited with. It was Bush's shitty idea.

They don't immigrate to the US like that, it's either plane, bus, or just drive across the border, get a job a place to live and it's complete! No one is going to look around or ask if someone is illegal and if they are ever deported, it's for a crime which happens rarely. He duped the rest of America to believe a solution is a wall when they've been tunneling for years across the border too! His staff wants enough people to believe that hundreds of people are running across a field or swimming across a river.

>mostly tax payers were trump supporters
source please

I mean when has a wall stopped anything. From hadrians wall, to the great wall of china, to fucking the walls of Constantinople. If you wanna go backwards through time might as well become single cell organisms again. With this thinking we might be back their soon.

Those "shitty" people contribute more to society than you, your mom who was retarded enough not to strangle you in your sleep, your pathetic cuckold dad and the next unfortunate generation of your family which should die away hopefully could ever dream of doing.

Obama almost doubled it. He doubled the number of people on welfare. Obama's policies made businesses leave, and more wealthy Americans left during his years than any other presidency.

Do you remember when he was pissed that congress would stall on passing the budgets he proposed? That was because even though he was raising taxes on the wealthy, he still wasn't taking in enough to pay for everything he wanted, and continually needed to raise the debt ceiling.

We were spiraling out of control with Obama.

He did a magnificent job of expanding government to all time highs.

Democrats/socialists are into lots more government, lots more government control and expense, and much larger regulatory government.

>and educated earners
Also I looked up the earnings statistics, trump and hillary both were nearly head to head with the 50k+ earnings class.

I really want to see your average earning source for both voted candidates.

You do realize it's congress's job to write and pass a budget. NOT the presiden'ts. The president's only power is to veto.

The president CAN present a budget, but ultimately, it's congress's responsibility.

>Those "shitty" people contribute more to society than you

actually no. that's false. They contribute to the number of people on welfare, the amount of crime, the amount of terrorism.

Blacks commit nearly half the murder in the U.S. despite the fact that black males only make up 6.5% of the population.

You have to kill a lot of people to do that. Do black lives matter when they contribute to so much murder?


If I were rich, I'd probably be a democrat, living in my ivory tower, telling poor people how victimized they are, and that how they need more muslims to be nice. But, I certainly wouldn't want a bunch of fucking muslims in my nice white rich area.

All that bullshit about the debt ceiling and Obama's fault = bullshit stalling by the Republican congress.

Its simple really. Trump funds the wall out of his own pocket and he bills Mexico himself. No taxpayer monies used.

You forgot to add putting Bush's wars on the books.

>bullshit stalling by the Republican congress.

Yeah, well, if the budget costs more than you you're taking in, shouldn't you object?

Obama bombed 7 countries while in office, the most of any president in history

You must be the ultimate retard

Yes! Unless delaying passing a budget will stall the entire system.

Tough decision for the president. Pass a shitty budget where you're FORCED to spend more than you take it OR stall the entire government....

Shitty decision forced on a president by a shitty Republican congress.

Moving the goal posts: the post.

Fox news, pls go

Oh yeah, I forgot he wanted to cut Meals on Wheels too

I think it's hilarious that people still believe that republicans actually care about spending and national debt. Outside of election year talking points they have no problem spending trillions on military projects for weapons systems while ignoring infrastructure and actually taking care of veterans.

>Shitty decision forced on a president by a shitty Republican congress.

How can they be shitty, if they want to curb spending so we don't end up more in debt?

When Obama entered office, he made it a public point that it would cost Americans $30,000 apiece to rid ourselves of the debt.

Now, after 8 years of Obama, it would cost Americans over $60,000 apiece to get us out of debt.

Obongo was anti-business, anti-growth, but happy to grow the debt of the U.S. government.

If you think about it, it's pretty stupid, and it worked out exactly as planned.

Additionally, America is now TWICE as racially divided as it was in April 2009, so Obama did not help bring Americans together.

Probably the worst president in history, he taught that it's OK to be racist.

what wall? lol stupid trump supporters didn't do the math on that one.. in fact trump inbreds didn't do the math at all lol. idiots theres no wall coming. trump is a genus tries to take away educated and health care and whats you to build a wall.. master genus.. if you get hurt building that wall no aid will come suck it up.. and to do the math on the wall.. won't be good with low education. Good choice for president idiots lo/.

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If you think debt is locked arm in arm with growth, you're a fucking moron. How about you just admit you know fuck all about economics?

Truth

We don't need a wall, we need more drones, more border patrol stations and regular underground surveys.

Problems with the wall:

A. It's communism. They're going to be forcing Americans who don't want it to pay for it. What is that if not communism?

B. They'll have to use eminent domain to take all of the land from private landowners. Rightwingers CLAIM to be extremely opposed to the federal government using eminent domain to take private land. If they're for this, then they're simply hypocrites.

C. It's a sign of weakness, fear, and the willingness to blame your problems on someone else.

D. The Center for Biological Diversity has listed several endangered animals who may be wiped out because of this wall.

Other than those things, I see no problems with it.

its kinda funny but he did make the point that it would also benefit mexico because the wall would keep its workforce from emigrating, forcing the economy to change. It was a pipe-dream thou

Tack on to your list that it won't slow the illegal drug trade at all

legalize hemp and you've solved most of that problem anyway.

True. Not much if any at all. They're very good at getting their shit across. If there's a demand, they'll find ways.

debt - money from outside sources, that can be invested - is a measure of keeping a stable economy when it is in decline.

>D. The Center for Biological Diversity has listed several endangered animals who may be wiped out because of this wall.
like the mexicans?

The main thing that's wrong with it in my eyes is all the liberal cucks going apeshit over it, but not realising there's already a fence.

I mean, what is their deal? Are border fortifications ok as long as they're not made of concrete?

Are they just so stupid they don't realise a fence already exists? Obama described it in 2011 as "now basically complete".

I mean, I'm a supporter of open borders, and even I can see that the anti-Trump crowd are retarded.

I think they just want to bash Trump whatever he does, and don't care about facts or what is best for everyone.

the fence pre-existing is the main reason i thought the idea of a wall was fucking retarded, just another case of americans having more money than sense

you RIGHT mein niqqa