Is a huge musical counter-cultural movement on the level of grunge in the early 90s possible today? This isn't a question of whether Rock can make a comeback, but whether something that captures similar energy and DIY ethic can function in today's music scene.
Similarities >Stagnation in the mainstream music scene >Social/Political instability, anger at the establishment >New technologies expand what sounds can be created
Differences >Lack of centralized source of culture (i.e. MTV) means more insular music scenes with less interaction >Social media favors music that fits into existing algorithms, dissuades taking risks >Economic instability (relative to the 90s) makes the prospect of being a musician more difficult
b-b-but rap is the new grunge! and punk! and metal! and blues! and classical! you can get all the culture you'll ever need from lil yachty's new mixtape
Ethan Hernandez
yup, the internet literally kills everything that was once great, even itself. hardly anyone produces even somewhat organic music anymore
Jack Smith
>any movement post no-wave actually being a counter culture
Luke Roberts
I wouldn't really call grunge "huge". It was semi-popular for like 3 years and restricted to about 4 bands. Also no, fragmentation as a result of the internet means there is essentially no "counter-culture" nor is there a singular prevailing cultural force
Cooper Peterson
It will happen soon because white people are seen as dangerous these days. People will be all into rock and roll music because angry aggressive music is seen as taboo, and all blacks are just whining and playing the victim these days and have lost their edge
Connor Bennett
t. whitey
Andrew Howard
Grunge was pushed by huge record companies. It was far from a DIY/grassroots thing.
Ayden Carter
If Death Grips had exploded at Nirvana levels of popularity it would have been it
Daniel Martinez
yep im glad they didnt though
Jose Hill
No, there used to be local scenes all doing their own thing, in Seattle you have grunge, in California you would have hair metal. Now everyone around the world reads www.p4k .com and makes the same shitty jangle pop and shoegaze indie music. The radio stations are consolidated, all owned by the same giant evil companies, they only play the approved payola top 40 pop music now. Record companies only care about the profit motive, they dont take risks anymore, they dont build artists, they just get some dumb slut, fit her with autotune, and send her on stage to lip synch and jiggle.
This hell.
You just realized we are living in hell
Samuel Rivera
I've though about this, is it a generational thing? Is Gen Y too self centered to have a viable musical counterculture that defines them?
Rap is the closest thing I guess since it produces similar outrage among suburban households that classic rock did, but I don't know how to feel about that since I don't actually like rap
Easton Ortiz
>Record companies only care about the profit motive, they dont take risks anymore, they dont build artists
This hurts the most of all. Bob Dylan and Billy Joel's first albums were utter failures and the way music is today they probably would have been fucking dropped immediately
Ayden Wood
>blacks are just whining and playing the victim >he's whining and playing the victim
LMAO
Austin Ramirez
yeah this, when one thing pops up on the internet anyone from anywhere in the world can see it
i suppose for things in foreign countries it's kinda nice so people don't have to wait, but at the same time you almost have to force yourself to ignore something if you don't want to lose the mystery about it
Evan White
Its EDM, unfortunately
No one is outraged by rap in 2017 you faggot, like rap is top 40 and pop now
Samuel Roberts
Not to say that death grips doesn't make great music, but they literally can't write a fucking chorus.
John Perry
The world feels off balance, we used to have musical variety, rock, pop, rap, r&b, country. But somewhere around the early teens all the jews and cool kids decided rock music was profitable or cool anymore and tossed it aside. So now we live in a world of poptamism, an unquestioning ideology that worships the idneity over the quality of music, pushed by coastal yuppie music journalists as some sort of socially progressive ideology, in actuality just consumer capitalism masked as social progress. And what replaced rock music? EDM...... Now dont get me wrong i love electronic music but edm is a corporate abomination, enjoyed by fratboys and dumb sluts, when i was growing up electronic music was like some cool underground niche, it was aphex twin or the prodigy. And now its the same dull over produced frat bro shit.
country music isnt country music anymore, its more like whatever trend is popular but with a southern accent. also somehow it still sells, which boggles my mind.
Rap is no longer about some ghetto thug who lived a gangsta life, but some artsy farty, pretentious shit aimed at music journalists and middle class whites.
Overall when you study the music landscape its the most toxic and terrible its ever been, its the most soft and dull and boring its ever been.
There are no loud noises, no screaming, no anger allowed on the radio, on the charts. In any genre.
Joseph Barnes
You think we don't already know?
Evan Brown
>grunge >counter-cultural
Jason Ramirez
This. There are no cultures anymore. IE punk, underground hip hop, indie etc. The internet has made it all merge into one blob.
Kayden Hughes
T H I S H I S
Brandon James
the most ignorant post itt
Nicholas Ortiz
we just need a band that's not commercial and actually sounds pretty neat to come along
Joshua Perry
We need unique musicians.
Parker Adams
traditional rock is dead
Dylan Gomez
death grips is too much for normies
Michael Russell
This desu. If rock is gonna have a chance to be in the mainstream again. Its gonna have to be produced the same way that hip-hop and electronic music is produced. (loops)
Logan Ross
the whole grunge thing was mainly rock/metal with a combination of different genres, we just need something like that again
like edm rock
Brayden Rodriguez
>le rap rock >edm rock
these exist and they're bad
Logan Lopez
Metal isn't rock. Soooo le nu metal doesn't count as rock. i haven't heard edm rock you need to send that link asap senpai.
Julian Jenkins
Recently listened. Tryhard shit.
Parker Foster
>(loops)
Xavier Sanders
Kek when Apex twin's and OPN's Synths sound like guitars.
Isaiah Brown
i don't get this.
Ryder Cooper
this, music is now homogenizing very rapidly.
I honestly think we require a societal collapse where we go back to the dark ages and have a second renaissance to have far more original music eventually arrive in hundreds of years
I have actually dreamed about this lmao
OR, just the music industry has to be destroyed. Maybe it is destroying itself, normies don't care about listening to music as much as just having a couple cool albums or songs
Adam Sanders
Too much for normies Just enough for kids who love MLG compilation videos and bleach memes Fucking gay to anybody with taste
Elijah Gutierrez
Go to bed. Exams soon.
Gabriel Scott
Found the normie.
Ryan Martinez
>rap rock
The closest I can think is probably the influences in Body Count, plus Rage Against the Machine and Faith No More, but even then it's not quite the same thing.
Grayson Diaz
grunge was fucking massive and was such a huge sea change for pop music and pop culture in general. also people like this cunt rode grunge for like 15 years afterward. the last half of your post is correct though
Robert Miller
at least ratm had a specific message. i don't agree with it, but they had something they cared about. crazy town didn't care about anything except having tattoos and making a quick buck
Connor Turner
Cept theyll never be THAT good
Theyll only be "Well...dat wuz interdesting"
Brandon Sullivan
Forgot about the Beastie Boys, that too.
But yeah, rap rock as a genre is... volatile. On one hand, you can end up with some really interesting things. On the other it just ends up being milquetoast shit that appeals to no one and just feels like stale bread that's unusable even for making breadcrumbs.
Jonathan Rivera
>Metal isn't rock But it is. Metal is a type of rock music.
Levi Lee
Pimp C talked about this in one of the last interviews he gave before his death. He complained that due to satellite radio, all the same shit was being played throughout the country and regional rap was dying out. 10 years later, everything sounds like Atlanta.
Colton Thompson
Idk about the rest of the world. But at least in Australia; there is an emerging rock scene. It's still quite poppy and generic at the moment. But more interesting and experimental bands are coming into the scene, and small rock groups are being given more air time by local radio.
Cooper James
i'd like to see a reactionary movement to australia being the world's shittiest country for music by spawning a bunch of good musicians
Josiah Moore
As an american. I'm fucking jealous.
Samuel Brooks
It would of been cool to see the progression of regional rap into the 2010s. Sometimes when you're limited with what you got, you learn how to make it interesting.
Owen Nguyen
>Rap is the closest thing I guess since it produces similar outrage among suburban households lol no it doesn't dumbass
Logan Hill
We've reached a point in musical culture where revivalism is, in and of itself, a form of rebellion against the mainstream music industry.
Samuel Sanchez
Oh shut up computers have incredible capacity to create way better music than appeared in the past.
Eli Allen
It's not so much that they play the victim so much as it is that niggers are fucking retards who will vote away individual rights and then end the experiment in individual rights that began with the European Renaissance.
Evan Gutierrez
Also white people deserve reparations from black people for them having hollowed out every major city in North America. All of their belongings should be confiscated to pay for the damage they have done to the infrastructure of the United States, and then they should be loaded on barges which are autopiloted to Liberia, who can either take them in or let them die.
Gavin Jenkins
>now I'll uncreatively copy your generations bland outdated musical cliches as a form of rebellion! >that'll show you! lol
Generation iPhone strikes again!
Robert Diaz
>it produces similar outrage among suburban households have you time traveled here from the early 90's?
Caleb Moore
>t.nigger
Leo Richardson
Yeah fucking right. Kendrick Lamar and Kanye West are more similar to Beyonce than they are to older hip-hop. They are complete faggots.
Bentley Garcia
>niggers are fucking retards who will vote away individual rights As far as I know not a lot of niggers vote for republicans.
Angel Powell
If anyone is being a whiny bitch, it's you.
Jack Sullivan
Grunge fucking sucked and popular music was better before it happened.
Anyway I'm glad rock is effectively dead now. We have to move on as a culture. It's not like we're still fellating swing jazz.
Austin Bailey
Sup Forums in 2013 thought that nu-grunge and garage rock were going to be the next big mainstream thing so i think it's safe to say that no one here knows shit
Brandon Davis
this desu there is 2 really new good bands in my local scene compromised of under 20s. Australia's rock scene is going really strong right now.
Jaxon Diaz
With those 24hr live mixes of lofi hip hop on youtube becoming super popular I think ambient, post rock and post-club dance music might be the thing that blows up next. Heavy, hypnotic repatitons on a dancey groove that kind of flow between sections rather than hard transitions. I think that would be cool if a full band did a live set that seamlessly flowed between tracks with improvisation all focused around the energy of the room. Get artists to do soundscapes for events like how nice restaurants have a piano guy but now it's a dude with a sample pad and keyboard n shit. I could dig that.
Jaxon White
why do so many of the comments seem like they're coming from people with leddit-level knowledge or taste
Ryan Powell
>Grunge fucking sucked and popular music was better before it happened. you are wrong music became worse after it because of it, though
>With those 24hr live mixes of lofi hip hop on youtube becoming super popular I think ambient, post rock and post-club dance music might be the thing that blows up next. FUCK THAT the last thing we need is more reverb
Aiden Robinson
wrong, in the old days you still had to go outside to meet weirdos but now you can just stay inside and find them on places like here scenes in the old days were people that hung out talked music and fashion, but now you go to a fashion forum for fashion and a music forum for music and nobody forms part of a scene because everyone they meet on these places are different
Luis Scott
have you listened to the money store? its full of some of the most catchy choruses in hip-hop
Evan Davis
The most fun thing about the 90s rap is how regional it is. Listening to NY rappers name drop each other for instance.
Gabriel Murphy
I don't venture much into this sub Reddit but my god you folks are getting on my nerves today
This fucking fsggot thinks modern rap like future and migos and those other Jew pagan worshipping Astro kike niggers are actually causing outrage like they are Tupac lol
Fuckin idiot
Rap is one of the most dead genres
Drake is a fucking talentless yuppie HALF JEW my god wake up
The media and govt keeps telling us we have to deal with the biggest opiate crises in decades yet future gets 60 million Spotify plays mumble rapping "Molly Percocet Molly Percocet"
Rap is the most contrived jewiest genre there is
Nobody is getting worked up over modern rap it's fuckin frat boy white man music
You know what hood niggs around here listen to? Fuckin dmx and Tupac and biggie . It's the white college kids listening to top 40 rap like migos
James Hernandez
i'm hoping for an industry crash desu
Noah Gutierrez
kill yourself. we have flum.
Nicholas James
Who even cares anymore.
You could literally spend your entire life listening to music made before 2000 and you'd never hear everything good from before then. May as well not lament it, just be happy for what all we had.