Sup Forums, I need to better understand the mechanisms that create a good high or a bad high

Sup Forums, I need to better understand the mechanisms that create a good high or a bad high.

The past two times I've had weed I had a major spin out. I just spiralled into a horrific circle of dark existential thoughts stemming from literally anything. It was seriously like this:

> This girl in this show I'm watching is really pretty
> I wonder what kind of men she dates
> I'll never be a guy like that
> If I had paid attention more in school and been more motivated things could have been different
> The job I have now is ok but in a few years you'll be too old for it and you have no future prospects
> Right now you know you're fucked and it just hasn't happened yet
> But life is meaningless anyway so what does it matter? No job is worth anything
> You say that but here you are with your pants half down in this shitty apartment just barely making ends meet, and you could have been a rockstar
> You failed at everything in life

And so every random thought spiralled like that. Really bad night. Now so you know, I'm not suicidal or typicall depressed, but it does seem like sometimes when I get high I go into this mood, and I'm currently frightened to try it again. But I want to because other times I feel so alive and in love with the world and with food and sensations.

Things that I'm wondering are possibly contributing factors:
- The strain. Does this actually matter? I'm always dubious about potheads who talk about different strains of weed like it's the diffference between entirely different types of drugs. But interestingly the last two times were from one batch, whereas all the pleasant times before were from a different batch
- Too much too fast? I think maybe this weed was more loosely cut up (like dust), and may have absorbed faster than I realised, triggering a panic attack.
- Alcohol. I tend to have a few beers beforehand. Some people seem to like this and often I have a great night, but does it make it more risky?

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Are you going through a rough patch mentally? You might need to just get some therapy man, its helped me.

It's weed. Are you 14?

The different strains do have a difference, albeit slight. Different strains have different levels of thc and cbd. When weed is ground, I've found that it hits harder, but doesn't last as long. When I drink before I smoke, to me it just feels like I've drunk a lot more after I smoke. All in all, your bad thoughts can only stem from yourself. The weed only lubricates the thought process. Just be more conscious of where your thoughts are going and stop them before they do damage.

i kinda get that too, it's also said that you shouldn't smoke when you aren't in a bad state of mind, weed can make it worse.

when you are*

I bet you're really fun to smoke with. Sounds like I would have a blast hanging out with you. Pussy.

Might not be for you, it doesn't seem to be for me. Which is tough to take because people act like weed is the greatest thing in the world, and I feel like I'm missing out.

So I smoke it over and over again hoping that something will change and suddenly weed will "work" for me

I either feel pretty much nothing, or my heart starts racing and my body reacts badly to it, freaks out

Valium is the perfect drug for me, I've found. Whenever I smoke weed I realise what I'm hoping for is a valium high, that feeling of warm, comfort, complete relaxation and feeling like someone has lifted a weight off my shoulders, not a care in the world

LOL yeah the weeds doing its job buddy i think OP id the shitty thing in this equation.

There is a big difference in strains, not sure why anybody would say otherwise.
It's all the about the cannabinoids and their ratios to each other. There's THC, THC-V, THC-A, and others.
Also terpenes will vary from strain to strain and can affect the high. Terpenes are what give the strains different smells and taste.
From there harvesting different strains at different maturity levels can also influence the high.

Thing is, 90% of the time I do it it's fine. But these 10% times are so bad it makes me hate it a little.

Have you tried not being a fucking loser?

The drug is telling you that you need to change some things. Those are real thoughts.

Woah. Too real.

Get it together OP, you should only be doing drugs when you're satisfied with yourself and you feel like you have a good placement in your life. You need to make a change.

I've been smoking bud for 10 plus years and only recently (the last few months) have been getting fucking panic attacks from smoking. I've cut down on alcohol and other drugs but it still happens every once in awhile, like maybe once a week. Weird that other people are experiencing this shit too.

Are you going through an unusually difficult time right now?

I feel like maybe my life is worse than I'm prepared to admit to myself and it's been bothering me a lot lately.

Sounds like you're very insecure. Drugs act neutrally, you can't force them to give you a good or bad high. Fix yourself to fix the high.

Step one: don't blame your perfectly justified crippling depression on drugs.

Your life sucks and smoking weed makes you realize it. That's not a surprise, and it's not because of "the strain" or some stupid shit. You're depressed and you took an introspective drug. Get the fuck out of the house. Or just do some fucking pushups. Fuck, dude.

Yeah I guess you could say that. I just recently had a death in the family and just turned 30 so i've been just thinking too much about shit. I never once considered quiting smoking but if i keep getting fucking panic attacks I will def totally stop. I'm also trying to quit drinking and going from getting shit faced twice a week to trying not to drink at all has put some stress on my body. Hopefully it all works out in the long run. Just kinda weird that this shit is happening to me and then reading about other people online feeling the same shit....

Were you alone or with people ?
I used to get crazy panic attacks when smoking at parties, especially when people I don't know are there. Kinda embarassing.
Now I only smoke by myself when I'm in a good mood and it's always fine

Maybe you smoked too fast as well, try going slower : smoke 2 or 3 hits, wait 5 to 10 minutes, drink some water, and repeat. Don't smoke it like a cigarette

I've always felt that with psychedelics never really had a problem with it with pot until recently.

true.

Yeah i'm the opposite tbh i feel really weird being all stoned by myself like and impending sense of doom sometimes. I feel more grounded in reality when i smoke around people or am high around people. I've def cut back from like a bowl or 2 every 5 or 6 hours to just a good rip out of a pipe every 5 or 6 hours.

Sounds like you're smoking sativa. That shit can make you paranoid and just generally feel ill at ease.
Find a nice indica strain they're way more chill.

Just remember these two words: set, and setting. Set is your mindset before getting high. Setting is the environment around you as you are getting high. (Is it safe? Are there negative people around? Good music playing?) These two variables tend to determine the quality of your high. Also try to smoke indica variants if you don't like the head high.

It really depends man, it sounds like you just have some troubles deep down that come out when your high, when they say you need a clear mind, you literally need a clear mind, weed after all is bacially a enhancer for your senses.

My lsd trip was ruined when I was unemployed because I was afraid I wouldn't be able to find a job and regretted quitting my old job, I was literally crying at how much my life was fucked up and managed to find problems in my life I wouldn't have noticed if not for the fact the only thing bugging me was my trouble of finding a job.

If you aren't feeling it, you aren't feeling it, don't try to ignore it because chances are in your case it won't help.

Also, when I smoked (on probation) I always had a good time because I was with my best friend (now my girlfriend) and the one thing that made getting high so good was my environment, we'd usually drive to the gym parking lot and hotbox while cuddling in the back listen to music on my car stereo, honestly music is a huge mood changer and this applies even when your not high, not saying play uplifting music, just music that you like that you enjoy.

weed didn't make you depressed, it SHOWED you you were depressed.

Well to me it's the opposite, around people i get that "oh shit i don't wanna look high, people will think i'm high, people will make fun of me for not handling it" etc
When i'm high by myself i can just spend the night being amazed listening to music, laughing my ass off for an hour looking at shitty facebook memes
Also, I always get horny as FUCK when i smoke weed. Apparently it's not common at all, i discussed this with some friends who smoke and none of them experience that

Thing is when i'm high my imagination goes insane and when my brain goes through sexual imagery it becomes almost vivid it's kinda crazy

Fuck I wanna get high now, but I have to drive all day tomorrow, probably not a great idea

get counseling

Same driving 10 hrs tomorrow

Stoner fag for 8+ years here.
Weed doesn't make you do anything that isn't already in your head man, think of it like alcohol just without the shitty side effects and way better.

You're just having an existential crisis man, you need to get a handle on that before you smoke. Be content with life. Sure the Universe is massive, god doesn't exist, everyone you love will die, nothing matters at all, but you have to be able to handle those thoughts. You have your own sphere of influence man, and sure it may be fucking tiny, but YOU influence things that happen in that realm. YOU affect people, and YOU have a purpose from your own perspective.

I struggled with this a bit myself when I was little and tried kysing but it wasn't worth it. It just leads to negative emotions and negative emotions breed negative emotions.

tl;dr

You control your thoughts, don't let your thoughts control you.

You're fucking lucky. Past two times I got high this week my inner monologue desperately has tried reasoning me into killing myself by using my own values against me

>tfw I want to be powerful, capable and independent with autonomy
>get high
>mind brings up how in just being human, you're a slave to mother nature/evolutionary biology/your programming
>mind talks about how the concept of an unshackled AI is cool because at least they'd be unshackled

Literally what the fuck man
I just wanna be high, isn't this shit supposed to cure depression? Lmao

true facts

tons of different factors affect your high m8.

Valium is kinda fucked, I used to abuse Oxys just be safe with that, but yeah I LOVE THAT FUCKING FEELING.

But there are certain strains (High % Indicas) that will make you feel like that.

Get yourself a little mini bubbler or bong and make sure you get good quality weed where you can see THC crystals or orange hairs on it (anything that looks frosty or dark but not brown).

break up your weed nice, pack a bowl, smoke said bowl and turn on some tunes. Also if you are doing that and not getting high try taking deeper breaths, try and force the smoke to the bottom of your lungs.

Sheeeeiiitt I used to have 2 1/2 full bottles of hydros and 1 full bottle of oxys. Didn't pay for them either

Me and my friends went crazy with those, they lasted me a whole summer. It was great

I don't do pills anymore except adderall for school, but i still like to think back on that summer