/dark/ General: Day After World Goth Day Edition

ITT: we talk about
Gothic Rock
Post-Punk
Cold Wave
Dark Wave
Ethereal Wave
Gloomy New Wave
No Wave
Deathrock
Industrial Music
Post-Industrial
Horror Punk
Psychobilly
Gothabilly
And related styles. To answer these questions now:
Darkcore, metal, and freak folk are not /dark/. Nick Cave, Depeche Mode, Neofolk, Leonard Cohen, Iggy Pop's idiot album and anything that serves as a precursor to these styles (The Doors, Yoko Ono, John Cage, The Velvet Underground, and so on) are.

Other urls found in this thread:

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Excuse me, I meant darkstep not darkcore.

no one answered me in the last thread:
is bones /dark/?
youtube.com/watch?v=C4oApBlw7Gc

Yes, Bones is witchhouse.

Bump.

What does /dark/ think about Zola Jesus?

also here's another rec. Bain Wolfkind. He's done stuff as a member of Der Blutharsch as well. Very fucking noir, with an eastern european gangster feel at times. New album came out this year (or late last year, can't remember) and it's p. good

youtube.com/watch?v=oWVXArLOgTE

Is Ghost /dark/?
youtube.com/watch?v=-0Ao4t_fe0I
>inb4 metal

Gost is, but idk about Ghost past their first album which has a lot of fun hits but i don't think it's really /dark/ in the way that bands like The Devil's Blood and Year of the Goat are.

witchhouse is not dark, so no

also kys

What happened to the last /dark/ thread?

Fucking faggot no, metal bands aren't /dark/.

Witchhouse is /dark/ just not Goth. I peg it under Post-Industrial with Gothic influence.

>ghost
>metal
no u

also /dark/ was originally founded to include black metal as well, u goof.

It 404d.

*was* these /dark/ threads instead focus on dark music culture genres, ghost belongs with metal culture.

Too pastel/hipster goth for my liking.

i agree with that when it comes to ghost but there's metal that falls under the /dark/ umbrella. a lot of atmoblack, shit like urfaust for example. maybe even some doom.

speaking of,

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How do I into gothic rock?
Im trying to find good shit to sleep to or chill to. Currently my two favorite bands are Sleep and Sunn O))), but I desire something a little more structured???? Idk.
I really like Bela Lugosi's Dead, but idk where to go from there.

Start with essential shit like the three albums by The Curr after their first one, listen to "Closer" by Joy Division, try "JuJu" by Siouxsie and the Banshees, then "Talk About The Weather" by Red Lorry Yellow Lorry, then after you've heard all the Post-Punk oriented Goth, go to second wave gothic rock with Sisters of Mercy, Fields of the Nephilim, and Danse Society.

*The Cure

Not /dark/, or at least, I don't think so, but check out Earth.

glad you asked

DCD's first album should be on this, i think.

Technically I would say no, but I'm okay with it.

Some Great Reward is underrated

I like Blasphemous Rumors.

Currently relistening Blitzkid's discography thanks to the one user a few threads ago who wanted me to explain horrorpunk to him. Have to say they are much more "horror punk" than Misfits and have done more to develop the post-2000s sound of the genre. They mix the sounds of Danzig + Graves era Misfits extremely well.

Neofolk is not really a precursor of those styles, it's a prominent form of post-industrial...
Kudos for finally including it though.

I think we can include witchhouse and anything that is obviously trying to be /dark/.

This. All this purism is completely out of place. Metal and goth culture are inseparable in real life and there is a lot of crossover. Ghost can be considered /dark/ simply for their un-metal pop appeal and aesthetic. Although I don't think they should be posted either way since they fucking suck.

youtube.com/watch?v=XuxPSNOLkjg

>Metal and goth culture are inseparable in real life

My written diction was interpreted wrong, I didn't mean to say it was a precursor but a lot of people don't know Neofolk is Post-Industrial.

>metal and goth are inseparable in real life
Kys, seriously, that's almost as bad as saying emo and goth are the same IRL.

>metal and goth culture are inseperable in real life

For sleepy music you should try bands from the "wave" categories in the OP. Maybe try Autumn's Grey Solace and go from there. I'm really against treating music as a checklist.

Just ignore this:

Does Tool count as /dark/?

have you ever gone to a metal or a goth show i mean come on. especially black metal.

related, there's a project called Liar In Wait that has members from a few metal bands that draws heavy inspiration from Soror Dolorosoa and Asylum Party. Material's not as polished as it should be, but the upcoming full length is supposed to be a lot more well thought out, at least according to what I heard from the principal songwriter.

youtube.com/watch?v=vH_LHSHCvps

Another rec, too. Saw these guys play with Chelsea Wolfe last time she toured the west coast USA and they killed.

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Are you kidding? That chart is literally the foundation of the subculture.

Do you know any actual goths in real life? They are not that uncommon here. Go figure, we still host the biggest Goth festivals worldwide. Crossover with metal, especially folk/pagan/black metal is a thing, hence the constant presence of such bands at gothic festivals. I'm not talking about lone internet goths like you guys here, this is about people who actually partake in goth culture, which is inseparable from metal culture.

Nah. APC is closer but still no cigar. Kinda have to be underground otherwise why make such a broad thread.

>here
I mean Germany.

Metalheads usually don't associate with goths. Black metal shares some aesthetic qualities, but the culture is totally separate from anything goth.

Doesn't mean everyone who gets into a band in one of the genres we talk about here has to listen to every single album on it just to say they did. If you already have an idea as to what style you like then you don't need that vague chart.

me too senpai. some of their really early shit sounds way too much like misfits though. their first demo is pretty much green day + misfits which isn't too bad.

Yes I do fag, crossover doesn't mean they go in tandem, it means a bunch of people with common interests from both sides congregate but neither are tied. Metal even existed before Goth, there's no fucking way they go together because death/doom metal enthusiasts wear makeup.

Like I said, that's not been my experience at all. Anywhere I've been with any sort of /dark/ and/or metal scene has a ton of crossover at events and shows and people I've met have always had mutual friends in both scenes. Maybe that hasn't been your experience, but like it or not, extreme metal and goth is intertwined in many ways.

It really isn't, as is the old goth addage:
"Just because it's played at a Goth club, doesn't make it Goth."

...and industrial metal of course. Lots of crossover.

what said. Obviously crossover exists or pagan and industrial metal bands wouldn't play at goth festivals and gothic metal wouldn't exist. You'll find plenty of people belonging to both cultures without perceiving them as separate. There exists a culture in-between that can be extended either way. Out of curiosity, where do you live?

USA in a place with a thriving Goth scene.

They play those festivals because it brings in money, not because of an inherent connection. The closest Goth and metal get is Christian Death citing Black Sabbath as an influence.

C'mon user. You should've worded it better.

There is L I T E R A L L Y a goth club in my city.
The ONLY cross over are people into both music, and shitty metal bands that don't know what they are yet.

>the biggest Goth festivals worldwide
If you're talking about Merra Luna, then no shit you see metal bands there. They'll fucking let any alternative music band play at these fucking festivals. Meraluna was fucking headlining KORN this year. FUCKING KORN. They had no reason to be there. Fucking Dark Funeral was playing Wave Gotik Treffen last year. I love Dark Funeral, but what were they doing there.

Goth is rock. Metal is a separate thing. The only reason the goth subculture has been playing host to stuff like EBM, Aggrotech, Industrial, and metal genres is because there are people that like both and want to hear/experience them at the same place.

Okay, let's chalk it up to regional differences. Here in Germany and most of Europe the two are joined.

Can't let you do that, just because people over there choose to associate doesn't establish subcultural connections.

Here, this will be shorter and probably be easier to understand.

It's like this thread. There is a reason it is /dark/ and not /goth/. Because people want to listen to/discuss more than just goth. Other genres that they like that are dark alternative music.

Not because they are all heavily intertwined.

Let me rephrase:
Doesn't establish written in stone connections. Goth is gloomy rock from the 70s, metal is intense guitar music from the 60s. One came from Blues as a concert culture, the other from Punk as an English club culture. They are fundamentally different.

Metal is not dark alternative though, it's its own seperate spectrum and scene. The /dark/-est metal gets is Industrial metal, but it still remains another world of music entirely.

As a death/black metal enthusiast in the US, I haven't noticed any overlap between the subcultures. Death metal surely has nothing at all to do with goth generally.

that's my point

are they goth?

youtube.com/watch?v=zmwDaFdVd8U

no, that's psychobilly

GTFO

>choose to associate
>doesn't establish subcultural connections
What do you think a subculture is? It's not some abstract concept, it's a group of people. I don't know how else to tell you this but metal and goth subculture are heavily intertwined, there is constant exchange between the two, thesocial circles are joined. This necessarily reflects in the musical realm with musicians from both more or less clearly defined genres incorporating elements of the other.

I am not saying they are the same but this is not the 60s and 70s. Amalgamations of these and other genres exist, even if the result are shit like Rob Zombie and The 69 Eyes.

True, I'm not saying all metal is part of goth culture obviously.

this. my phrasing is irrelevant to the thread at hand. most of what i listen to is /dark/. a lot of what else i listen to is metal. and a lot of it has feet in both sides. as such i'll post recs and discuss what fits the theme of the thread in terms of aesthetic and attitude. Anyone who doesn't like it, eat it. Obviously we're not going to discuss fucking Autopsy in these threads, I mean get real, but sure as shit bands like Spektr or Pinkish Black are going to get mentioned eventually.

that being said, the following is a collaboration between the vocalist of Draconian and a member of several metal and post-rock bands including Crippled Black Phoenix. Elements of dream pop and dark ambient. One of my favourite EPs of the past few years.

youtube.com/watch?v=bWOMVC-Hjm8

thanks
goth the fuck out

>it's a group of people

Yeah, a group of people that listen to goth rock, post-punk, deathock, darkwave. The rest is bonus.

>The 69 Eyes
We don't say that name around these here parts.

Again, the crossover doesn't make them intertwined, there are set boundaries for these fundamentally different people and are both distinguised.

No, that is simply incorrect. You don't know how subcultures work.

What the fuck do you mean by intertwined?

I think this is the problem here.

>there is constant exchange between the two, thesocial circles are joined.
Most metal guys who are an active part of the subculture and not just tourists wouldn't be caught dead associating with anything labeled goth.

Motherfucker, that's exactly how subcultures work. Goth belongs to dark culture and exists as an offshoot of Punk, metal came from blue rock and hard rock and has established itself as its own cultural spectrum entirely. Just because some Black Sabbath fans and Sisters of Mercy fans happen to be at the same festival doesn't make them "intertwined."

That sounds more like you're talking about music genres. You should read up on subculture theory.

Cultural markers, how do they work?

I'm tired of this argument, I'll go listen to some music now.

kek

The culture is defined by the genre and exists as a physical representation of enthusiasts for the style of music. That being said, there will always be boundaries dividing Goths and Metalheads.

Where are all the industrialists anyway? It's mostly been goths and that one moron who thinks goth and metal cultures are inherently linked.
>btw gothfag here just asking not big into Industrial and Post-Industrial

Good question desu.

Seems like it's harder to find Rivetheads than goths on Sup Forums.

Gonna go see Front242 play with Laether Strip in September, then KMFDM with ohGr in October

You have fun user, hope it goes well.

>Gonna go see Front242 play with Laether Strip in September, then KMFDM with ohGr in October

Post goat electronic industrial
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mah nigga

youtube.com/watch?v=XvoENpR9cCQ

Her set at Moogfest was pretty good, she has great music taste too.

I already know these 2 albums well. is there something to complete the trilogy?

>They are fundamentally different.
Deathrock is American and a lot of the bands were basically punk bands playing stuff that was heavier and more distorted than the English goth bands and didn't sound that distant from metal. It's not all cut and dry.

I frequent these threads and I listen to industrial more than goth.

Distortion=/=metal.

Why do you hate metal?

>Distortion=/=metal.
This is often said.

Is there metal without distortion?

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This way not only do you have three great albums, you also have the same three guys involved on each in some way.

Fuck, now I'm down a nostalgia hole listening to Skinny Puppy again.

I don't, but to say metal and goth culture are heavily connected because of some crossover is absurd.

They're much more connected now than they used to be 10-20 years ago.

Switchblade Symphony is old.

Dissolve

I crave floofy goth gals

what are some bands with maximum floof?

>floofy

Wut

I got you on goth girls, desu.

Lacuna coil
The birthday massacre
Crystal castles

I'd argue the opposite given metal and its culture has gone more experimental and goth and culture has gone full blown 80s nostalgia.

floof is important

If you're in a chill mood, go to the goth club.

If you're feeling aggressive, go to the metal club.

You won't look out of place in either one, but they are separate.

Goth club is the femme scene and metal is masculine.

I totally agree, user. Lie to Me, Blasphemous Rumors and Stories of Old are among Depeche Mode's best

More like androgynous for goth but yeah.

probably talking about the back-combed hair

Yes okay, androgynous for goth.

>metal club
shit do those even exist? I haven't even heard of a club holing a one-off "metal night"