Prove to me why this literally isn't the best place in the compass

prove to me why this literally isn't the best place in the compass

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because it isn't on the bottom left

because it isn't in the bottom right

Because it isn't the bottom middle. The place where you fuck off and mind your own business while your neighbor smokes the crack the guy across the street's 12 year old son sold him. All tax free, of course.

Agreed FREEDOM!!!

that's bottom right, if you're bottom middle half of your income is going to be taken away to jamal and his six nigger children

Protip: Because it's not.

That sounds like top left to me.
Clearly the compass is off, then, and the best place to be is nowhere on it.

left-authoritarian

because it isnt in the upper right

exactly; bottom left doesnt exist because in order to field the massive welfare state and redistribution of wealth, you need a large state.

You've still got streets

Purple square does not exist

when was the last time McDonalds sent out death squads forcing people to buy their McChicken? I can't remember.

>purple doesn't exist
>green does

What?

Green Quadrant does not exist because there is no force to push the equality of wealth to the masses without the strongarm of a large government.
green quadrant is less stable than even purple.

You want to replace one tyrant with another tyrant and call yourself libertarian. Get your head checked.

tell me, what power does a corporation hold over you.

Because that dot means you're a pedo.

You can't support an employer exploiting his employees' labor and say you're non authoritarian. It's logically inconstant.

Exploitation of labor is inherently authoritarian.

what does this even mean

>exploitation
no one is forcing you to work for a bad person, if you dont like it, work for yourself, or somewhere else.

Leftists memes about all employers being assholes is laughable at best.

If there's a gang of thieves stealing from a neighborhood, would you respond by saying the thieves aren't doing anything wrong because the people can just move to a different neighborhood?

because the compass is a lie

>a voluntary transaction is theft
who are these corporations stealing from, exactly?
communists are fucking delusional

>who are these corporations stealing from

The people who generated their wealth: the workforce

What exactly is being stolen? This only makes sense given marxs labor value theory is correct, however that can only be proved by a correlating ontology, which doesn't exist... there's nothing logically there, or illogically, that prohibits even the worst of the worst or the best of the best. It's all fair game:

the employee AGREED to work.
if the employee felt like he was not getting paid adequately he would find another job.
>muh profits are evil
>what are capital goods
>what are incentives

I don't understand the hate.

A corporations job is to provide people with services and things they want, overall they make quality of living higher, they should also provide some of the things that we need.

The governments job is to trade things, let me elaborate. They take our money and trade it for basic public services that benefit everyone like roads and basic health care. They also trade certain freedoms of society, such as economic regulations that disallow monopoly and price fixing, so that competition remains and we all receive high quality services from companies.

overall the people are left as free individuals that have control over who they vote for, the choices they make, their opinions, etc. This is the apex of a great society.

>pursuit of power and wealth is bad!
not when it results in good services that people can benefit from. When there is competition between evil, greedy private corporations (btw the governments job is to make sure there is competition) the ones benefiting are the people of that society, so that picture actually makes no sense.

The value of their labor is being stolen.

>b-b-but it's voluntary!!1!
It's voluntary in the same way that being held at gunpoint and told to hand over your money is voluntary -- sure you *technically* have the ability to refuse but the consequences are death.

>governments prevent monopoly
that's where you're wrong, kiddo
watch this: youtube.com/watch?v=-VA9VZeox3g
>they take our money and trade it for public services
they have no incentive to do a good job, as their paycheck doesn't depend on it. nationalized healthcare or education is a monopoly.

>the employee AGREED to work.
What are the consequences if he doesn't agree? He starves to death. People only accept this condition because they have to or they die. There's nothing libertarian or anti-authoritarian about forcing people to sell themselves into a system of exploitation or die.

If you want to support that scheme, that's up to you but don't go around pretending you care about freedom and liberty.

Did you misunderstand my post? I've stated it's only true insofar it's true... it's a circular argument and Marx knew this. The value of someone labor has no further validation than it being posited as true. There is no value to labor, we have no distinct ontology yet; our being, and it's contingent values are of a nature completely indistinct. The WHOLE of COMMUNISM is based on this axiomatic belief; let me make this clear... BELIEF. It is not a truth of the world, of reality, it is a posited possibility taken to be true by those ignorant of our situation ontologically.

>there is only one company to offer yourself to
>what is competition among companies to attract workers
you must be 18 to post here

this is a shitty politics survey anyway. I'm always bottom right on it but when i take spekr I'm bottom left.

are you retarded? are you sure you don't have that switched up?
it should be the exact opposite.

>it's okay to be robbed if I get to choose the person robbing me

>implying its yours in the first place without laboring for it.

the picture contradicts the coupled post lmao.. as he ponders his true nature, he realizes ontology is a very complex and hitherto unanswerable question, and subsequently allows for skepticism towards claims of ontological proof, or it's contingencies (i.e., communism and the theory of value subordinate to a belief on man that has no truth value). Who is to say the nature of man does not include being commodified; who is to say that human creation (capitalist system) has a lower position hierarchically than that of individual worth. Why can't the structure be considered dominant? There are questions upon questions that must first be answered before anyone can claim to host the knowledge of human nature.

when was the last time McDonalds sent out death squads forcing people to buy their McCh...

what's the incentive to create a business if you aren't going to profit from it?

do you believe the market should provide shit like a police force? or firetrucks? ambulances?

yes. why should it not?

He attach to structures human attributes, wrongfully correlating our understanding of existing with that of something different entirely. It does not matter what it's origin is- this again being one of our many epistemology indifferences towards truth- the structure of capitalism may be considered entirely dominant and should be treated as such. Once we throw out the dated faculty of our understanding, we can see in clarity the outrageous claims of communisms adherents; complete certainty of ontological claims and their subsequent forms should be enough to dispute the validity of such a system; but no, ignorance persists, and the underdog of anthropological understanding stands tall on his mountain of fallen victims; for eternal glory we fight! For equality and peace we fight! If only he realized his king was of the same nature as he, and was susceptible to faulty Interpretation...

Are you serious? What are the alternatives? I'm a physician. I opened my own practice. I pay 4 nurses, an PA, and an assistant. I employ a CPA once a year for about a week. All these people work for my voluntarily and are well compensated. I make the most because 1) I'm the expert thanks to 12 years of training and 2) I took the financial risk of opening a practice and do all the business shit associated with it.

Quit bitching. Get a job or go make jobs, it's that simple.

Fucking lazy ass communists always thinking you're worth more than you are.

Capitalism serves the desires of the powerful, not the individual.

this.
>open business
>pay for building, electricity, goods required to make my product, etc.
>workers I employ somehow are owed everything

>no incentive to do a good job
representatives chosen by the people to best represent them and chosen because they have historically done a good job would most likely do a good job. Their incentive is not to be voted out of office next term.

also I'm saying that it should be the governments job to prevent monopoly because it benefits the people.

>every death that isn't attributed to communism means it was due to capitalism

because it's not top right master race

Go give people shit then nigger. Sell your computer and send some clean water to an africa baby. Be the change you want to see.

>I took a risky course of action so I deserve to be rewarded for it

Does not follow.

>they have historically done a good job
the politicians tell the people what they want to hear so they can get into office next term, to them it doesn't matter what the consequences of their actions are, as long as it gets more votes. The people don't know what's good for them.
>governments job to prevent monopoly because it benefits the people
the only monopolies that exist are the ones granted by government. Tell me, how does a monopoly occur when there is no government intervention.

so what's my incentive to try to create a new business or product if i'm not going to be rewarded for it?
Oh wait, there isnt any. Enjoy your technological stagnation and mass starvations.

Answer the rest of it ya goof. What are the alternatives? Should my nurses and my physician assistant be making the same as me despite the fact that I spent 12 years in training and they all spent between 2 and 4 years? Should they make the same even though I do 60+ hours a week when you factor in all the business shit I do while they all work 38-42hrs/wk?

What is your solution to this? I'm genuinely curious. Trying to have a conversation here, not just pointing out that you're a fucking retard with no common sense and probably a lazy shit with no life skills. Trying to actually figure out what you think is a viable alternative to me making more than my employees?

How are we doing so far in this thread lads? Have we got a bingo yet?

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Anarcho-capitalist:
>but no one is forcing you to shop at wal-mart

Me:
>no one is forcing you to shop at wal-mart but...

Can I cross this one or?

>What are the alternatives?

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you are retard

>i have to post infographs i saved because i can't explain it myself

Because anarcho-capitalism/right wing libertarianism doesn't exist

you are cool dude

So wanting a mixed system is retarded.

refer to

If you could offer your answer specific to my situation. What was my incentive to go to training for 12 years if I'm not going to have wages and if not going to school at all would have left me access to the same "free access to the abundance of socialized production"? Med school was hard. Residency was fucking BRUTAL. I spend 80+ hours at the hospital a week because that's how long it took to learn this shit. It wasn't "wasteful", it was just intense. It takes a lot of time and practice to learn medicine without killing people.

So why would I have gone through all that if I could have the same lifestyle as my nurses who trained much less? If there was an easier way to have wealth, I promise I would've done it. So, who would be our doctors? Why would they go through the training?

Get specific. Try to convince me.

Not the guy you're replying to but yes

Because people in that area tend to be crackpots.
I see you're not too far right so you might still be redeemable.

More than bollocks but ok

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You can fucktard, maybe your small fucking brain can't understand that, but you can

Also, (((them))) jfc, you are just a rightwing sjw

nah im not we just dont care about the people that actually are and not having an opinion about that sorta thing makes people think we are too

then explain to me how you're going to enact social programs,welfare,and all your other leftist bullshit while having a small government.

Because I approve of social welfare and a 2-tier medical system (like Australia's), but also know that large businesses will do whatever they can to make money if they're not regulated sufficiently to be good for the environment/employees/world.

I'm not the original guy you were arguing with but i'll address this, sure.

OK, so there wouldn't be "social programs" and "welfare" as you put it as there would be no need for such things in a truly free society. There would be no surplus in wealth and private property and no inequality therefore there would be no need for "closing the gap" or whatever the fuck liberals say these days.

Force private charities to do it using the military and police.

>authoritatively
thanks for proving my point

That isn't me.

You do it the same way they do it now.

Is this good?

considering that site is left leaning as fuck, yes

Because of the state we have now, fucking pinkertons can't shoot up a crowd of workers asking for better conditions.

because it's on the right

>burger king executes their employees for asking for better conditions
>suddenly no one wants to work there
>not to mention murder is pretty bad for PR
>run out of business

>see this thread
>wow, Sup Forums has n intelectual thread
>actually read it

Sorry Sup Forums, but go back to porn and leave the politics to Sup Forums. It's better that way.

Guess who I voted for.

Mao?
Stalin?
Pol Pot?

Not Bernie because he wasn't even in the race

So, while thats happening, how do I pay my bills, rent, get food? tell me.

You work?

How about we meet in the middle?

You sjws that want to have social medicine and give a bunch of fat, lazy, drug addicted, excuse making useless pieces of meat your money, go ahead. Just leave me and my money that I've earned from working my ass off every single day alone.

I don't make a lot: keep your thieving lazy fingers off if it.

Stalin

>If you could offer your answer specific to my situation

You'd have to post detailed financial information of your practice to get a complete answer. Example: do you raise your employees' salary proportionally to the growth of your business or do you pocket it because you think you "deserve" it? It's possible you aren't ripping off your employees, but judging by your earlier statements that seems unlikely. You aren't entitled to take the surplus of your employees' labor no matter how much education or training you have. Theft is still theft. This holds true even if your employees are making a decent living (e.g. embezzlement is still theft even though the victims are still living comfortable despite the theft). As for the "voluntary" part, just because your employees can choose to be exploited by you or some other employer doesn't change the fact that they are being exploited.

Workers with higher skill levels should be paid more, as should workers who work longer hours/etc. I never said otherwise. You deserve to reap the rewards of your own hard work, not someone else's -- that includes your employees. What would happen to your practice if all your employees and all qualified potential employees went on strike? You are qualified to do all their jobs of course, but running your practice without employees would be a minor inconvenience would it not? You deserve to be compensated fairly for your skill and your work, as do your employees.

do you think you need a government to do your daily activities?

You, as well as many others, with your bourgeois formalist logics, can not conceive of the social totality of man and his essence in the world. You fail to fucking see value as an abstract produced by man's means of subsistence. Fucking idiot, throwing the word "ontological" as if it means something pertaining to a critique of Marxist thought.

Fine by me

Centrism, best of the left und right.

To add on to this post ^

You failed at critically understanding major fucking points about value in Das Kapital. Stop spouting what your fucking high school teacher said, you fucking idiot.

aaaand we're back to the incentive problem. Why should i bother taking a risk in starting a new business and providing a better product for the public if i'm not going to be rewarded for it?

>fucking fucks, fucking idiots fuck
>no argument found
your autism is showing