When and why did punk stop being a vehicle for reactionary underclass nihilism and decadence and instead became a...

When and why did punk stop being a vehicle for reactionary underclass nihilism and decadence and instead became a shelter for hyper-sensitive and sheltered PC children?

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it always for pc children.

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when americans got it

the 80s

When the movement was adopted by privelaged middle class moaners with victim complexes

shit that's not even a real armband

When the Jews subverted it.

punk is dead and these people killed it just check it out

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Iggy pop being iggy pop

punk was always primarily left wing

Thats what its always been though. You just grew up.

More like became a dumbass right winger.

Fuck the alt-right (though SJWs kinda suck too).

Dubs confirm. Fuck anyone who feels the need to be shitty to others to justify their beliefs

Punk was already declared dead on 1979 by crass

Nah, a shitload of the pioneering American bands were actually quite right-wing.
The NYC and LA scenes of the late 70s/early 80s were particularly notorious for their "problematic" attitudes towards issues like race and homosexuality.

Ron Asheton dragging Iggy Pop offstage after a show, the crowd probably got a little heated

Do you really think they were doing it for any other reason besides just being edgy and offensive?

This Darby Crash was a fascist who was fond of Hitler saying he "fucked it up with the halocaust" and that everything else could've been accomplished

that's what happened, not when it happened

finally someone with sense
fuck the alt-right
fuck SJWs who think it's below them to help educate people

vote Al Gore

kill Mickey mouse

listen to emo music alone while you draw furry porn

Yes.
Racism and homophobia weren't particularly edgy or offensive in the 70s and 80s, unless you took them to Skrewdriver levels.

Nope. Just because you want something to fit
your cuck worldview doesnt make it right. ^^

back to pol

Nope. Just because you want something to fit into your autistic worldview doesn't make it right :^)

punk was a cesspool for fuckers, just a club for middleclass white kids to complain and feel like they were cool, which included excluding everybody they didn't like (aka women, black guys, etc)

so tired of people who were born in the 90s trying to tell everyone else what punk was
if you like the music fine, if you don't fine, stop rewriting history to align with those opinions
like any genre of music punk was probably home to a million different political views so fuck off

>is alt right
>trying to appropriate punk as right wing because they once saw a picture of the ramones mocking communism
>says the left are trying to appropriate it
>reaponds using the word 'cuck' to show his obvious political bias

NIGGER NIGGER GET ON THAT BOAT NIGGER NIGGER ROW

> punk was probably home to a million different political views
Aye. It was a way to express anger, and that worked for both right and left wingers. Spitting bile isn't an exclusive thing.
Most "significant" punk bands are left-wing tho.

>Listening to emo while drawing furry porn
Now that is an afternoon well spent for me.

Mickey Mouse IS dead. Got kicked in the head.

>thinks punk has any political affiliation
>implying punk isn't just about being free and deciding what you believe is right even if people disagree
not the same user you're talking to if anything if punk were to be politically personified it'd be a manic centrist constantly hopping around the lower political compass constantly muttering to itself "fug the guberment :DDD" as it smears blood and shit all over itself

You do realize punk started in America, right? The brits stole it

Yea but Crass was wrong, punk got better in the 80's

I'm not saying that punk is left wing. I agree with you that punk is hard to define. To try to define punk itself is the very antithesis of punk, much like Dadaism

America started it dumb shitter A Band called Death and they were all black whitey stole the black mans music dumb cracker

I don't base my like/dislike of punk bands on whether they're right-wing or left-wing or apolitical or whatever desu. The tunes come first.
As far as the politics are concerned, I respect the courage that it takes to deliver a message as much as the message itself.

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You do realise scenes exist a while before the first record of that genre comes out? Also American punk is shit

Nah punk is pretty easy to define live how you like and don't worry about the consequences

hasnt it always been like that in some way?

>American punk is shit
>Almost 80% of punk bands still recognized and highly acclaimed come from America
lol okay eurocuck

>Almost 80% of punk bands still recognized and highly acclaimed come from America
Source?

remember when punk changed the world?

>implying the punk scene existed before the Stooges or even the MC5

Fuck off, you clearly don't know shit about shit

All the first wave British punk bands came into being because of American punk.

>American punk is shit
Literally everyone who knows anything about punk would disagree with you.

>Cro-Mags,Bad Brains,7 Seconds,A Band Called Death, Nirvana, Slapshot, Angry Samoans, Dead Kennedy's, Misfits, The Jesus Lizard, Adolescents, The Dead Milkmen, and the list goes on and on and on

"Punk is right wing" -Johnny Ramone

Also
>FEAR
Literally one of the biggest names in the punk scene nobody can talk shit about their debut

Forgetting the Stooges, Black Flag, the Cramps, Minutemen, the Germs, Flipper, and even bands like Pixies or Sonic Youth

I don't know if i'd say some of those are recognized and highly acclaimed, but Nirvana? Are you taking the piss mate?

You also managed to miss Minor Threat somehow, which are probably one of the biggest names next to DK.

it never did you just became a reactionary fuck who idolizes the past

"punk is left wing"-Joey Ramone

I mentioned the list goes on and on for a reason also Nirvana is punk Bleach,Incesticide, and the Fecal Matter tape are all punk m8

Clash was a british punk rock band.

That alone makes british punk worse than american punk

punk was pretty much dead in the uk by the late 70s though
some of the early bands broke up, a lot of them started sucking, a lot of them transitioned to playing post-punk(the banshees, the stranglers, the damned, the pistols turned into pil, the buzzcocks turned into magazine etc.)
some of the younger bands that came into their own later(discharge, amebix etc.) were still fantastic, but shit like anarchopunk and RAC and whatever was more interesting for its politics than for the actual music
not even gonna get into dumb shit like the exploited or GBH here

at the same time the american scenes in new york and washington and la and the midwest were starting to flourish

>When the movement was adopted by privelaged middle class moaners with victim complexes
Most crusties are basically this, kids with rich parents playing homeless that can go home any time they want.

cause people got too serious.

>Sup Forums has never been to a punk show
>Sup Forums doesn't listen to punk outside of the same few generic RYM-core albums
>Sup Forums somehow thinks they have any authority to comment on punk music

I can't think of a bigger waste of time than listening to a modern punk album in 2017 desu.
Punk is just a subcultural dead end at this point.

I've been to a powerviolence show and saw Cro-Mags live

It's not though you just don't branch out of your safe space

Do you know this based on experience and facts? Or based on what Sup Forums told you?

Death didn't invent punk you dumb berry, they were just a part of the scene that ended up forgotten due to label issues. The Stooges came out before them, and so did the MC5

Stooges still American

I know, but Death didn't start it

yeah but you forgot USA USA USA America a best at music all other countries eat our very talented shit

Punk is subversive

Leftism is subversive

This is why a lot of leftists like punk

This doesn't mean there aren't right wing people who are subversive (Frank Zappa) but the ideology as a whole is based in traditionalism

(Liberals aren't leftists)

>leftism is subversive
lol does that mean le alt right is subversive at the moment too?

>Leftism is subversive

leftism has been a capitalist tool for gaslighting and misdirection for fucking ages, dude
the CIA funded socialist organisations and publications as far back as the 60s

When the famous punk icons grew up into cucks.

This

Remember when punk rock wasn't leftist?

> The Clash
> Crass
> The Dils
> Dead Kennedys
> MDC
> The Dicks
> Fugazi
> Napalm Death
> NOFX
> Propagandhi
> Atari Teenage Riot
> Refused

Yeah, me neither.

Johnny Ramone is hardly a cuck

Hahahaha you dumb cuck those don't count because of a few obscure Nazi punk bands I've never listened to

It's never been for either faggot. Dead Kennedy's always made fun of skin head faggots with 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off' and PC Children always hated punk because it went against the status quo at the time. Underage fuck off.

when the internet came out of the closet www. style

No because it's reactionary to liberal ideology becoming public opinion

It's a fact that punk came from America.
>The Velvet Underground
>The Stooges
>New York Dolls
>Ramones
Those four AMERICAN bands created punk.

>Sup Forums users who have never been to a punk show, never been part of a punk scene, have never seen a contemporary punk band not featured on Pitchfork and have no knowledge of punk outside of the internet complaining about how what punk means has changed

I'm a part of what some people call the "alt-right" and it feels punk as fuck. It feels like an actual counter culture, or rebellion against the PC culture that dominates American colleges.

Punk hasn't been fresh or rebellious in over twenty years. Show me three modern punk bands who are pushing boundaries. Spamming "LOL YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW PUNK" isn't an argument.

But this thread is triggered alt-right snowflakes whining about the values of punk

>Spamming "LOL YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW PUNK" isn't an argument
If you call yourself a food critic but you only eat at McDonald's and get all your opinions from /ck/ then you don't really know anything about food and your opinions don't matter

The Coltranes and NAILS can't think of another band really pushing boundaries like them at the moment but I'm sure they're there if I had to pick another probably OFF!

>still hasn't posted a modern punk band who is pushing boundaries

Name one guitar-based band pushing boundaries in any genre

> Spamming "LOL YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW PUNK" isn't an argument.
theyre right though you idiot. all you need to do to find boundary pushing punk music is go to a shitty basement venue or house show...and definitely not by looking to the "big" names. your post is really proving their points... :\

How does that refute my point that punk has become tiresome and cliche? Modern punk being a pathetic joke is okay because all rock has hit a brick wall?

No, he's right, you have no idea what you're talking about, and you just make that more obvious as you keep babbling on.

It seems like the major bands going are crust (Tragedy, Sarabante, Jungbluth, From Ashes Rise, Martyrdöd), folk punk (Days N Daze, Rail Yard Ghosts, Ramshackle Glory, Worldly Savages), and a bunch of random sludge bands that seem to be following Planes Mistaken for Stars' lead. The deathrock revival is doing pretty well, with bands like Anasazi.

>*strums power chord*

interesting considering how gay he was

Darby Crash was a fucking dope addict that didn't believe anything other than pissing people off and probably couldn't spell the word fascist let alone define what it means.

>crust
>folk punk
>sludge
>deathrock
None of this is fucking new. Thanks for proving my point that modern punk is just endlessly rehashing the past.

he didn't start doing dope until like the last year of his life, and mein kompf was one of his favorite books. he was actually really smart in some ways
>t. someone who read lexicon devil

The best punk bands were left-wing (The Dicks, Fugazi, CCCP, Gang of Four) but now that the left is full of anti-Marxist postmdoernist faggots it's all "woke" shit like Against Me. There are no good far-right bands that are seriously political. You might as well say Death in June/Bowie are far-right when at their most explicit it's all imagery. Actual Nazi punks are bad musicians, it's all message.

None of these genres sound anything like they did in the past. Crust is soaking up influences from black metal, death metal, and screamo. Those folk bands have elements of everything from crust to Slavic folk. Those sludge bands have elements of post-hardcore. All these genres are evolving, and many of the newer bands have very original sounds. You clearly don't know anything about punk music, you're just some complacent dweeb. Either lose the baseless sense of superiority or kill yourself.

>Against Me
Are you seriously using Against Me to represent the entirety of punk? You might as well have picked Green Day
Also Gang of Four are sellouts

Death In June is very much a right-wing band and Douglas Pearce has never been shy about making that clear either.
It's baffling to me that people are still falling back on that old "i-it's all just fetishism! he's just being subversive! he's actually a leftist!" bit when the guy has been very open about his distaste for multiculturalism and modern liberalism and his appreciation for European tradition and heritage for ages.

Time and time again, counterculture becomes "cool" and subsumed by the culture. It's just sort of how a consumerist society works.

Can we agree that politicizing music only brings the detriment of other parties and artists, instead of influencing it to become better?