Alright Sup Forums, i need your help here

Alright Sup Forums, i need your help here.

Few years back, i used to smoke pot every now and then. Was fun, never really had a bad trip with paranoia or anything, it always used to make me feel pretty relaxed and happy.
Thing is, there was this time that i had a sort of... let's call it traumatic experience while being high. Shit was pretty intense, and led me to experience a drug induced psychotic attack.
After that, i dropped it for a while. Didn't smoke for like a year, maybe. Thing is, ever since then, whenever i smoke, the feeling was never the same. At first it feels pretty good, and i start to remember the way i used to feel before that night, and how nice the mellow feeling is, but then it takes me right back to that night. I start experiencing some delirious ideas and all that sort. Stuff that never used to happen to me before, or anything. Never enough to experience a panic attack, or anything extreme, but enough to ruin the experience.

Bottom line is, can i fix myself and enjoy the ride again Sup Forums? or em i just fucked forever, banned out of pot?

As an additional note, i've done it a few times ever since that night. I feel the "negative" symptoms are a bit more "controllable" with each time, but there again i haven't done it that often to be able to be entirely sure.

What the shitbiscuits?

depending on how long it's been since you last smoked, it could be that you "forgot" what it's like to be high and got too high. idk if this happens with any quantity but you could try smoking less and then building up to it. you could take a few hits and get baked, then next time smoke a bowl, w/e

Yeah, i thought about that. Here's the thing, the "symptoms" DO feel lighter the less i smoke, so of course i tried to keep it in a small dose, but it has never been too much anyways.
What i'm trying to say is, even smoking enough to get just high, not completely baked -in smaller doses than when i first started in fact- is enough to shift my way of thought that way.
What you say about forgetting what being high is like does make sense, because it does feel that way. The thing is, i want to know if it may be possible for me to actually "remember" it the right way, without inducing some sort of lasting damage on my brain due to a psychotic attack, or something like that

Sounds like text book panic attack...has got FUCK ALL to do with weed and EVERYTHING to do with your own psychology.
Shit, I now have a genuine phobia of French people after watching irreversible.

Just got to recondition yourself , faggot

It's not a panic attack, because i don't fear i will die or lose control. I don't even hyperventilate myself, nor increase my heartbeat either.
The day of the night, it WAS a drug induced psychotic attack, but what happens afterwards are not big enough to be called that, nor give me the symptoms of a panic attack. Not according to DSM.

That's exactly what i want to know, if it is possible for me to recondition myself, or if i risk fucking myself up for trying to fix it.


I do know a guy who started experiencing psychotic symptoms similar to schizophrenia for "overdosing" pot. But he's a different story. He had no control over it, and just took it to the limit every day, mixing it with alcohol whenever he could. So yeah... i know it's pretty different scenarios, but i jsut don't wanna risk a similar outcome

I recetgave it up myself kinda had same thing you where talking about I just believe it's like the honey moon period in a relationship first 2 months or what not are fun but then the novelty wears off with is why I just said fuck it, it's a big waste of money in anyways just like the first few time u get drunk you think it's the shit but after a while you don't drink as often cause you know what the next day entails etc...

Recently

Not to sound like a granola crunching hippie, but the same thing happened to me and it was kind of life changing. The anxiety and paranoia is usually because there are things about yourself that bother you. Things that you do that you're not proud of. The best way to re enjoy weed is to work on yourself and improve the things about yourself that you hate, if you find this difficult and overwhelming, then there's a good chance you have depression and need to fix that. The other fix is to take acid.... seriously. There is nothing more inspirational or life changing than acid, it will definitely set things in your head straight so you can enjoy pot once again.

It's all in your head.

Stop being a pussy bitch faggot

Getting stoned makes you feel REALLY BAD like youre dying even.
>Don't get stoned
>save a shit-ton and save brain cells which doesnt sound like you have any to spare

You actually make a lot of sense... come to think of it, much of what starts producing anxiety, is due to things I started having to do, which i don't really enjoy, nor want to do.
There's still more to it though. There's still the delirious ideas and all that. Really stupid shit it didn't used to happen before. To give an example, some of the things that started happening (but not the only kind of ideas i get), are that there's times where i feel i dreamed about what is happening, or will happen. Typical prophetic delirious ideas, which once i start sobering up, i start to realize just how stupid they are.

Of course it is my man. That's precisely the whole point, i want to know if i can fix it. Only when i'm high i believe it is not in my head, even though i know it is

See, this is precisely what a panic attack does. I've never experienced that. Neither before, during, or after "the night"

My suggestion find someone who knows what they sell and request more of an indica instead of sativa it will be more mellow and a body buzz, also are you hanging out with friends or by yourself because that might have something to do with it, another thing is dosage try to only smoke a little and work your way up, the last thing I could suggest is listening to some chill ass music if you start to feel bugged out

No you can't fix it.

You can't lose brain cells from smoking weed, show my why you think this besides school propaganda...

>2017
>thinking cannabis kills brain cells

There's a lot of substances that cause damage to the brain and nervous system. Cannabis isn't one of them. Alcohol is.

With me the first time I got stoned our of my mind and just thought I was in a dream state I couldn't even explain to myself what time was lol I was fucked for about 2 hours then ate a shot ton of food then passed out, I don't really get paranoid tho unless I smoke a lot of feel like I'm in a serious situation, otherwise I just feel mellow as fuck.

Just don't smoke weed and these problems will go away pretty
Simple really why should you have to fix yourself in order to enjoy a drug in which these delusions intially came apparent after a while of smoking it and
With that I'd ask you to ask yourself have you ever had these problems before you ever smoked I started smoking hash when I was 12 then weed when I was 15 given its up was best thing I every did I still miss it though but I save a lot of money and mental energy aswell from not consuming it.

With friends. I am able to keep it enough under control not to bum them out though. I just start feeling very bad on my own.

Dosage, you mean even less than what i started with the first time i smoked?

Also, i have this idea based on something similar to what an user said earlier regarding reconditioning. I'm thinking this is probably a deviated line of thought created by that night. Think about it like the way PLP works in the brain. Anyways, my idea is smoking with my best friend, who i deeply trust, and just let it all out with him so he can help me modify this deviated ways of thinking. Makes any sense?

It'ss all about moderation my nigga don't toke up a dime every time you smoke just hit a bowl a couple times and chill try not to think about serious shit and if you do learn how to control yourself

I meant to say LTP, not PLP

If you can't handle weed why the fuck are you alive.

Yeah, i know. Back then that's exactly the way it used to be.
Today, it's not like i go crazy smoking, don't take me wrong. That's the whole point of this, i do keep it short, and no more than a few puffs. It's not a matter of not knowing my limits, it's a matter of that something changed after that night, and i'd like to be able to fix it, since it was a pretty enjoyable experience to do every once in a while with my friends.

Yea makes sense but I would recommend trying to learn control, this may seem from a feeling that you cannot control your thoughts when you are high but you can, I feel that way sometimes when I smoke too much I feel like the things I think aren't even created by me, it's fucked up I know, anyway u wanna say what happened "that night" maybe it will help?

No that actually makes a lot of sense. There's a name for that really, but i don't know how it's called in English.

Not really sure it would... it was just something bad man... a certain person tried to do something that involved me, and got pretty violent when i tried to refuse. Luckily another friend was around, he helped me.

I agree but I would say shrooms I took a half a hit of some bomb acid and it was dope but it (for me) lasted too long and I knew it wasn't really "all natural" going into it so that my have something to do with it but shrooms was literally the best most eye opening experience of my life and it only lasted 6 hours no bad times, I recommend 1/8th and a trippin buddy ;)

SMOKE WEED AND THEN FACE THE FEAR, IT WILL REPAIR BAD PATHWAYS IN YOUR BRAIN. IF YOU DON'T THEN YOU'RE A PUSSY!

Thanks for the tip, but it kinda worries me that a stronger hallucinogen will induce even worse symptoms and fuck me up.
I've heard some people cannot handle those drugs, and there's no real way of knowing if you're one of them. I've heard people who are extremely chill and mellow, and when they tried shrooms it was horrible. Better play it safe for now

/bro ain't nobody on here gonna know u, u should speak more about things that bother you especially if they are hard to talk about and if you aren't comfortable with knowing them, I speak from experience I was raped as a kid multiple times and that shit fucked me up for awhile but I got over it and talking about it wherever I felt comfortable helped, not trying to say u have to, just saying what helped me cope with something I assume was similar

Naw trust me look up some facts shrooms have never permanently damaged anyone that I know and I know a lot of people who have tried them, acid I have heard of bad trips but not shrooms, plus I recommend doing it with someone who has done it before, the first time I tried them I was with my cousin who tried them before tons of times,and like I said man best life experience so far, but it is true if u go in worried about something you will face it but the point is to confront it and overcome it and you will feel the most amazing about 100x better than weed but it isn't for everybody and even though I'd like to I can't do it every day it takes a lot out of ya and takes a long time too

He tried that.... and as i said, got pretty violent.. started trashing around and stuff, breaking shit... high as i was, it terrified me... he was also somebody i trusted. Somebody who was close to me.

It doesn't really matter though, don't really think talking about it on Sup Forums is gonna help me find a way to fix the issue when i'm high.

I'll think about it. I'd like to wait and see if i can deal with the issue with pot first though. Or at least get a bit more of progress in it. Thanks though

Stop dont touch drugs anymore mate
i had the same thing with acid
i tried to go back to other drugs fucked me
i had it pritty bad and its taken me years to get over it
Dont fuck your life for the sake of getting high
its not worth it

Weed? You can't duck your life for weed dude, I mean its great and you may spend some $ but if we happy we happy, you feel me? I mean it's impossible to be addicted to, doesn't cost much and will be legal in the US in I would say 2 years if that

its fine for most people mate but me i cant smoke it i get extreamly paranoid and have a psychotic episodes
and im not talking about addiction
if OP is feeling these side affects he needs to stay the fuck away from drugs he either has it in his genes or he is unlucky and susceptible to mental illness

This didn't happen before though. Never did i experience any of these symptoms, or any similar shit before. It all started ever since that night happened, so it doesn't really seem to suggest anything with my genes, i think

Oh I see, yea I wouldn't duck with it if your experiencing psychotic episodes either, but how do you tell the difference when your high couldn't you just be paranoid? Lol 4 real tho

the fuck you guys understand under a psychotic episode?

there is a difference between neurotic and psychotic symptopms and you all seem to mix them up

DUMP the WEED

>delirious ideas and all that sort
u start to think strange things for me it was that i was being programed and my friends where talkin in secret codes pritty much bizarre conspiracy it may not be as bad as that for op

OP here. Yeah, what are you getting at? I do experience that kind of stuff now, but my point is it never happened before, and i used to smoke regularly. Not an everyday thing, or extremely often, but i used to do it often enough, and never did i experience any of that. Not until the traumatic experience happened.

this sounds like a good solution but you have to be brave and dont be afraid from the unknown

this is the way of fear and will change nothing in the unconscious area but you will be "safe"while sober

so what is the right way?

Lightweight. Get out now. Yer not cut out for it.

That's exactly what i'm aiming for. I want to go back to my normal state. The thing is, while high, my way of thinking completely switches now. That's why i had the idea of getting external aid from a friend into fixing those thoughts

Im getting at its never going to be the same as what it was man im sorry

yeah this sounds really psychotic and insane

only thing I have when smoking is that I have the fear of going insane while my thoughts stay rational

Not that i experience what he said he experiences. I meant what he quoted. The closets I've gotten tho that, is the idea that there are social norms i do not understand (but that's pretty normal, since I kinda lack social skills), but it doesn't go to the extreme of thinking about secret codes and conspiracy and stuff. Just thinking stuff like for example "oh right, i think somebody once told me if i don't walk next to my bud, it means that i'm trying to abandon him". Not literally that, but it's a good example.


Now regarding my delirious ideas, it's more like prophetic stuff, or fake memories, which i eventually end up discovering are pretty stupid and wrong.

I'd say you hinted at something important regarding rationality though... when i say my way of thinking shifts, the more accurate thing to say is that i forget how to think rationally, which didn;t happen before

the way of fear nigga this is some delusional shit
mental health is a real issue and cant be fixed by a BE BRAVE DO MORE OF THIS SHIT even though it fucks u mentally
op just stop with the drugs dont be a spastic unless you want to end up in a Ward

or worse on fucking meds

dont smoke, buy a vape like a magic flight box, or a vapor genie. easier to control your high, smoking with no tolerance can be pretty fucking intense sometimes.

also, try to chill with friends, or do something fun! listen to music, try to associate being high with fun shit.

Idgaf if you talk about it here but it may b cathartic to get it out. Small steps. If it was trauma that came from someone you trusted it's gonna b really gd hard to talk about it w anyone bc trust is never gonna b the same, until u face it. It may take a while, but the sooner u face it the sooner u can begin healing. Shrooms might b great but it probably would b a risky move too & if u don't trust it going in it will just end up horrible. Good luck man. Also, I've found a couple beers before smoking (or xanax) will keep you calm also. But if weed is all u wanna do it's not the greatest advice to mix a bunch of shit just to inch forward. Face it & move on

that also depenmds on which mental issue some might have...

If you "only" got an anxiety disorder/panic attacks, smoking more and realising that there is nothing else bad happening could help

Thanks a lot user. Yeah, don't worry regarding the drugs; that is in fact another reason why i don't wanna do shrooms. I'm not really into the whole idea of being a party animal and getting crazy with drugs.
I just wanna be able to enjoy the experience with my friends every once in a while, like i used to. More specifically with my best bud, who is like the brother i never had, again. I find it to be a pretty bonding experience. Or used to.
He knows my "situation".. and what happened that night. He was very supportive, in fact.

That's the idea haha

insane people dont knmpw they are insane, so summarized:

if you smoke and think people are after you: stop it

if you smoke and youre just having strange thoughts but still think rational: try to fix yourself

Hey user, serious post here.

I am 30. I smoked weed from about the age of 13 to 27, daily. I was never a huge smoker, i mean i smoked blunts with friends but for the majority of that time i just was a one or two hit a day, modest smoker.
A few years ago, i realized that weed wasnt the same anymore. Id gotten older, my brain had changed, i was now doing alot more demanding brainwork at my job. I stopped smoking so much, and i dialed it back so that now, i only smoke every now and again. Also, a big part of why i stopped is that smoking gave me anxiety, which made it harder to go about my day to day life. Earlier in life, this wasnt the case, it made me more open.

In any case, the effects of smoking changed over time, possibly due to the quality of weed becoming better and better over the years. Basically now, i only smoke on weekends or very rarely, and i feel much better.

Hope this helps. Sincerely,

an old dude

yeah ever since i had a bad LSD trip, whenever i smoke weed, i'll sometimes get weird panic attacks and my heart rate goes up. the first time it happened i almost called the paramedics because i measured my heart rate with a finger monitor and my heart was beating at 180 bpm. that's like my bpm after working out lol. managed to close my eyes and focus on breathing and got it down. fuck it lol, i'm stubborn as fuck

see but that's the thing. It's not quite neither. I don't really think people are after me at all. And i do get strange thoughts in which at times, i cannot think rationally because i forget how to, but it's not like i can't.

So... you're advice is supporting the "start very slowly with small dosages"? Cus that's what i was kind of inclining myself for from listening to most anons in the thread. It's what I was aiming for, in fact. As i said to another user, i don't want to be a huge stoner, or a party animal. I just want to have a good time with my buds every now and then.

Try with a small toke from a joint where you dont feel anything at all, wait 10 minutes than do another one and stop for the day.

then just repeat that everyday with small steps up, but yeah start that small... so it never gets overwhelming.
that way you dont fall right into this dark shithole thought tunnel

Alright. Thanks for the hope user

You sound like a fucking pussy

no problem, as you see youre not alone with this shit.

There are about 6 people in this thread alone that had similiar experiences, and all of them didnt go insane.
so changes are good it will turn out for the better, I think.

I was in the same proverbial boat. It was probably a combination of things like age, responsibilities, too many drugs in the past, little social life anymore, etc. I think the biggest thing was a bad trip. I was smoking k2 bc a job i had did randoms all the time & i had a really bad trip. Ever since then, that's the high i get. It's pretty awful so if i wanna smoke, even on the weekends, i have to drink too. I'm pretty fu tho & see a shrink on the reg but he kinda sucks. My fam is no help & my friends are all either dead or in jail & i don't wanna unload this faggotry on my wife so it stays bottled up/in. Hope u find something that helps, if u do plz come back & tell us how u did it bc it drives me fucking crazy too

Damn user... sorry yo hear that. Hope you manage to get through too.

For now i'll try and follow the other veteran anons' advice. See how it works out for me slowly with reconditioning