Okay, Sup Forumstards. I'm a very rational, logical, "intelligent" human being or I'd like to think. I have a question for you all that I could not find the answer to. My girlfriend is a philosophy major and we have very in depth conversations about everything. We came across something I've never really thought of but her being a philosophy major she asked me. >"Do we exist?" The basis of this is complicated but I came up with 2 different answers and none of them actually address the question.
>#1 We exist. If we exist and we are all aware of our consciousness and we live in a world with 7 billion people with our own thoughts, how do we prove this? How do we prove that the world isn't made up of my thoughts and imagination? Every person I interact with and see in the news or ANYTHING I am exposed to. How do I know it's not something I came up with and thought of on my own. If this is true, what am I? How do I come up with all these thoughts and imaginations? Who or what am I? Am I higher living being that is living in a dream controlling a life I want to live? This, I believe cannot be proven. Because it's hypothetical. Is there a way to prove that we are all individuals and we all have our own thoughts and "Earth" is real.
>#2 We don't exist. If we don't exist and everything we see and think of is within our brains. Who are we? How am I capable of making this reality that I PERSONALLY think is real. Is there a higher being controlling me?
David Hernandez
If you exist then you are a racist. Because you did not imagine yourself as a black man.
Kayden Murphy
btw pic related, she's kind of like the bitch in the picture. Very fit, beautiful, but also intelligent.
Cameron Evans
Read Descartes fgt
Jayden Kelly
it doesnt matter whether we exist or not in quintillions of years everything that has ever existed will stop existing anyway fuck off OP
Blake Gonzalez
Yes yes, hilarious, I've been lurking/posting RARELY on Sup Forums for about a decade now. I'm looking for really educated smart opinions but you're always welcome to stay. Trolls are what makes Sup Forums fun. Keep it up, this one didn't make me laugh but clever trolls do.
Ethan Davis
Ha this. Cogito ergo sum.
Daniel Watson
Your answer is retarded dude. Your answer implies that WE DO EXIST. That this universe exists and that in a quintillions of years everything will stop existing. >If we don't exist quintillions of years isn't going to destroy my "imaginary" existence because we don't know where we come from.
Robert Clark
Bro that's philosophy 101, you're really telling me it took a philosophy major to make you consider that?
Tyler Morales
my answer may be retarded but at least im not debating philosophy on an anonymous imageboard expecting serious answers
Brandon Hill
>intelligent >never once considered baby's first existential quandry
Read any philosophical overview from ny philosopher. Even diogenes discussed it. Read up on stuff like solipsism, plato's theory of forms, anything from descartes. Any question you can think of has been discussed many times.
Ayden Scott
Dude I DON'T have a fucking philosophy major. SHE DOES. Can you read or what? Are you retarded. I have no exposure to philosophy or any of this shit. She just asked me a simple question of "do we exist" and I have no idea wtf she was talking about. I thought "yes we exist, retard" but she explained to me what this question really meant and it made me think. I summed up a fucking semester of "TEACHING" this within an hour and she was really impressed. So I came to Sup Forumsros, the general demographic to see what they think. I'm FAIRLY certain 99% of Sup Forums IS NOT a philosophy major idiot.
Hunter Rodriguez
DUDE, READ what I fucking wrote. I'm not a fuckinh philosophy major. I'm just an average Sup Forumsro. I didn't and I'm not willing to spend time studying on some philosophy shit. I have other things to do with my life. I want a fucking snippet of what other Sup Forumsros think about this. Not some retard that majored in philosophy and wasted 4 years of his life thinking "OMG WHAT IF BRO. OMG 420 THINK ABOUT IT DUDE."
Juan Ortiz
I exist, whether physically or only in my own imagination. It's you I'm not so sure about.
David Murphy
I never claimed you were the philosophy major, I said it took one (as in her) to make you consider it. Regardless, it's a rudimentary level question that 99% of Sup Forums has already considered. And don't flatter yourself about summing up a whole semester of "teaching," philosophy is a shit course where all you have to do is discuss your opinion.
Austin Russell
We cant know fag, just go with the first basal assumption.
1) I assume that the universe exists.
Levi Young
>I'm a very rational, logical, "intelligent" human being or I'd like to think.
Think again.
Asher Fisher
Bro how old are you? You don't gotta be busy to think of a simple question like that
Nicholas Robinson
This Fuck off op
Cameron Morgan
No, I only imagined it.
Liam Campbell
...
Cooper Rodriguez
Lol, that's like the first week of philosophy class. Just wait until you get heidegger, you'll be fucked
Eli Garcia
You sound butthurt tbh.
Yes, I work as a federal contractor, I don't fucking regularly think about "do we exist."
Also yes, it is a rudimentary question and I sat there thinking about it for an hour because I'm not familiar with these types of questions. I came up with the conclusions I stated above.
I just find it hilarious when you go into the philosophy major you spend fucking 6 months talking about such a rudimentary question I can answer within an hour. It personally makes me look down on people that go into philosophy. Are you retarded or what? Can't think for yourself? and you seem to be offended by such a simple question.
Exactly my point, it's simple. Yet people spend 4 years on retardation.
Julian Sanders
We exist for as long as we live, then we metamorph but still exist. Even fictional things exist in some respects.
Jaxson Flores
Yea, I'm retarded and this thread was made up in your mind. How retarded are you now?
Sebastian Adams
I think, therefore I am, nigger
At the very least some level of consciousness exists to doubt my existence. That means I exist in some way.
Juan Wright
Watch the matrix
Ryan Evans
Its the basis of philosophy, cogito ergo sum is older than Descartes
Charles Hall
Are you serious? I wrote what you're replying to, and im 18 and in high school. Everyone ive ever had a conversation with thats had any semblance of intelligence had considered if they exist by like, 5th grade. What does your girlfriend see in you holy shit
Jose Rodriguez
Calm your ass Descartes, shit been asked not just now. read a book.
Caleb Hall
have you seen mindgamers..? this is what i think we just keep living but from key ponts in our life ,,over and over
Anthony Mitchell
We exist and mathematics is the proof. Through mathematics, you can witness events and then explain them with constants which you would never be able to imagine. No matter who's conciousness is converting events into equations, the mathematical constants will wind up being the same.
Sebastian Hughes
Oh yeah dude, you're so fucking smart. Why don't you explain Free Will to me then, since you're such a sick dude with an awesome brain
Jackson Moore
It isn't really answering the question that matters. It's understanding the thought process. One simple question can lead to a world of ideas. That's why most of the great classic philosophers were also scientists, inventors, and artists as well.
Kayden Ross
You need to fuck her up the ass while you have an appropriately sized vibrating dildo up her cunt. As you're fucking her up the ass and the vibrating dildo is at work in her cunt, ask her in a whisper ARE YOU ALIVE?
Adam Miller
>18 >semblance of intelligence had considered if they exist by like, 5th grade. You did not address ANY of my question. Are you IMPLYING that we exist? then refer to the original post.
FUCKING PROVE that we exist. You're too young dude. Grow up some more. Save this thread and look at in when you get some college education retard.
Benjamin Price
Listen man, I just came here to fuck around and browse dumb memes, not to question my existence and have a fucking existential crisis.
Jose Gonzalez
Butthurt, and use fallacious argument, >in b4 the tv show presentator bias
Benjamin Allen
Bruh you're killing me XDXD I'm not even a philosophy major, that's why I said the course is a joke. But it's all good, you're just an enlightened intellectual. My apologies, M'lord.
Carter Lewis
Confirmed autist. Your have the luxury of having empirical evidence that we exist. Philosophers have studied the phenomenon without science and Philosophy teaches you to form arguments well, so we study great thinkers in a context of thought instead of sociological history, applying ancient questions to current matters, like how do we know what we know? It's surely not from fake news, but from repeated study. What happens after death? Since sentience, we've pondered and been stumped.
Juan Young
Do you know what solpsism is? Cogito ergo sum? The theory of forms? I did answer your question, you just don't understand it. Not my fault, mr im-in-college-but-ask-questions-like-a-middle-schooler
Michael Nguyen
This is the fucking most reasonable post this thread.
But to be honest, how are you so sure I wasn't able to create you to say this to say that mathematics is the reason we exist. WHO created mathematics? My brain? or other people? We can't determine that without proof. How can you tell me my brain didn't create Einstein and math. THERE IS NO PROOF.
Blake Morales
Free will is just as complex you fucking idiot. It's not something that can be solved or explained. JUST LIKE THE QUESTION I ASKED. Retard.
I asked the initial "do we exist" question wondering if someone will be able to answer it since I'm not able to.
I personally can't but maybe someone can.
Joseph Nguyen
His job makes loads O munni
Nicholas Adams
>very rational >use the word rational while saying he never read anything about philosophy
Did yo know there was a philosophy for dummie audiobook ?
Alexander Gutierrez
mosquitoes
Henry Price
Post nude pics of Thinky McThinker Pants, or get the fuck out
Jaxson Lee
Respect.
Dominic Edwards
New philosophical quandary: If OP makes a thread, and literally everybody that posts in the thread calls him retarded, is he retarded?
Oliver Barnes
It's solipsism
Owen Moore
We have free will within the confines of certain constant math values. I.e we don't have the free will to undo entropy.
Julian White
LOL MAD RESPECT BRO. You do you man
Liam Howard
Ah, the classic "I can't think of anything smart to say back, so I'll point out a typo" strategy. Truly the thinking man's gambit.
Dominic Jenkins
Fuck off you're a faggot
Kayden Flores
Well.. Elon Musk said there's a 1% chance we are NOT part of some advanced alien civilizations virtual reality video game. He might be on to something
Grayson Gray
Kappa. My love
Joseph Perez
Stefan Molyneux has a video series "Introduction to Philosophy" and he gives good lectures. He kinda talks a lot, but he puts out plenty of good points.
>Do we exist? Based on the biological evidence given to us, minus the lack of a decent definition of consciousness, yes, we exist, and others exist and there are consequences to our and other's actions.
You don't need a philosophical answer to a question such as "Do we exist?". The most simple answer is "Yes" because you are here, communicating with tons of other individuals, not a single one being perfect and we experience various things. When you sleep, other things have actions and appropriate reactions. Shit happens all around you all the time.
>We don't exist. If we don't exist and everything we see and think of is within our brains If you think that one entity would create an infinitely complex world to satisfy the needs of ONE FUCKING BRAIN, your arrogance knows no boundaries. >#1 We exist. If we exist and we are all aware of our consciousness and we live in a world with 7 billion people with our own thoughts, how do we prove this? By your mere presence. By doing things and by refusing to do things. >How do we prove that the world isn't made up of my thoughts and imagination? By sensory observation. You see, feel, touch... Is this not proof enough? >How do I know it's not something I came up with and thought of on my own. Go to a foreign country and listen to a university lecture. You won't understand shit! You can't make that shit up. >Who or what am I? You're a biological organism that is one of the few lucky ones that has developed intelligence. >Is there a way to prove that we are all individuals and we all have our own thoughts and "Earth" is real. Earth is real, it's there. You tread on it. You think, you make actions, or you refuse to take actions, you react to others' actions.
This overthinking is the mere arrogance of loungers who contribute very little to society. Fuck philosophers
Ayden James
That's a bold move cotton, let's see how it plays out.
Colton Green
So you look down on people who educate themselves and try to understand humanity and reality? "Retardation", as you described it. Well dude, we will always need people to clean shitters, so get out there and be somebody!
Isaiah Ortiz
there is no real answer to hard solipsism, because it's an unfalsifiable claim. so, basically, it's all mental masturbation.
Jordan Cox
LOL maybe I am a retard I'm OP afterall. I suck dick for a living anyways boys.
Owen Sanders
And boom, you just proved how idiotic and stupid you can become. You're an idiot with no gf. Just get off Sup Forums and do something meaningful before you kill yourself
Ryder Hughes
What the fuck is this, "we exist because I dont like philosophy" great reasoning. Sensory data does not prove the world isnt a figment of ones imagination, as it could easily be manufactured data. Honestly how could someone leave it at "i can feel a thing so i know its there"
Henry Flores
That's not me btw retard. Dude, you're retarded bro and underdeveloped. This is the last time I'm responding to you. Enjoy live Sup Forumsro
James Campbell
philosophy is the study of grammatically incorrect phrases and the study of our limited mental capabilities.
What is the purpose of a rock? Enjoy that blunt while it lasts.
Xavier Ortiz
>sees a reasonable statement >disagrees with it, calls it idiotic >his one counterargument is "kill yourself"
Oh shit am I back in middle school?
Jace Wood
Imagination uses combinations of things already witnessed. This is why people need "inspiration" and why most things resemble others. Go travel, you'll see things you've never seen before.
How the fuck can someone be so arrogant and self-centered as to label themselves the center of the universe and say "It's all in my mind, my senses aren't proof enough" is just plain stupid and deliberately over complicated. We use our senses for literally everything else to prove concepts and ideas, why not use them to prove existence? Fuck logic, right? Yeah, fuck you too.
Colton Perry
Your counterargument is literally just "i disagree". Here's a brief lesson on discussion: when you make a claim, give supporting evidence. Otherwise, no one will listen to you.
Owen Hall
>rational, logical
I bet you can't define either of those words. They sound great so you use them, but you have no idea what they really mean.
Logan James
>If OP isnt a faggot, then why he acts this gay?
Brandon Scott
pic related is op
Nolan Mitchell
OP , what is Philosophy for you ?
Asher Robinson
>imaginations can only use things already witnessed
Prove that. Do you see why thats such a weak argument? Say some outside force is injecting your psyche with all the sense-data you have, and all of it is false. How could you know this isnt the case?
Landon Gomez
Man fuck pot, makes everyone think they can be a philosopher
I put your second answer at that level of stupidity
course we exist, the 7 billion part is irrelevant in any way if your are talking in terms of your own individuality. Because unless you can create things that become fact or reality, you arent making shit OP. Because these answers are not creative, I assume you are not creative. Stop watching matrix and thinking thats some kind of actual interpretation of reality. Thats just an edgy kids wet dream.
>what am I?
a faggot.
You evolved from basest survival instincts, once base needs were met and you were comfortable, you had nothing better to do but question your existence. You arent higher anything, just delusions of grandeur assuming you are any more significant than any other space dust in the universe.unless you are a celestial giant that died and took a galaxy with you, when you die its so minor in insignificant the universe at large will neglect you as much as anyone else. Earth is real, your life is pointless, your gf will forever be philosophizong why she doesnt have a job,
have fun being delusional amd supporting your deadbeat gf
Brandon Ward
Unicorns are horses with horns, flying lizards plus fire makes a dragon, aliens have huge brains and humanoid bodies, etc.
Josiah Carter
Yeah well . . . except philosophy allow science
Adam Diaz
I'm done with you. You need to grow up dude. You're not addressing the question at hand or the big picture. You're attacking me for the "small" insignificant things. Learn to look at what is being addressed and the big picture.
Logan Richardson
yes, no; both
maybe you want to search for buddhism.
David Butler
This is probably bait, but I'll bite. The phenomenological approach to this is positivist: whatever we're experiencing is reality by definition, since there's nothing else to which it could usefully refer. The perception of time creates what is referred to as existence (see Husserl) by allowing for the concept of linearity and therefore meaning. In the Kantian sense, we must pre-assume existence in order to allow for the possibility of discussion and communication.
Camden Ross
Get out of your fucking cushy little life and out of your head. Everything is created in our brains. Your post makes me want to brutally rape your girlfriend in front of you. I want to see you wax philosophy about me making her cum like you never have. Torturing you until you scream and cry. After I jizz down her throat, I will beat your ass. Then maybe you will stop with the faggot over-analysis, and just live life. Ok?
Mason Evans
>accuses others of getting hung up on small things and being unable to see the big picture >doesnt consider why people are criticizing him and never provides counterarguments
The world needs more people like you
Christian Cook
I love you bro
Ryan Nelson
The words of Kek are : "I shitpost, therefore I exist" But what is the hiden meaning ? Well, lets say everything you experience come from your senses, but your senses may cheat on you, so what can you trust ? Cut all your senses, what remain ? Shitpost, Shitpost is actually what makes you exist
Justin Ward
Oh shit, a knowledgable, beneficial post. Too bad this will probably be the only response to it, huh?
Nicholas Ross
Philosophy is horseshit. It's all a bunch of uneducated stoners arguing about things that have no answer (or an incredibly obvious answer, like yes, we obviously fucking exist). Half of philosophy is just making shit up.
Samuel Ross
Time IS linear. The only people who think time isn't linear are potheads.
Xavier Mitchell
My favorite thing about people who say this stuff is that they don't know the first thing about philosophy. Outgroup bias at work, kids
Juan Lewis
I agree with you that philosophy is FUCKING BULLSHIT but there is no way to prove it. But there is not EVIDENCE that we don't "exist" you know what I mean my dude?
Justin Lee
"Excuse me, but I majored in philosophy."
"That's great. Here's the mop."
Sebastian Wilson
That has absolutely nothing to do with anything I mentioned. Please don't try to pretend to understand something you don't. Not understanding phenomenology is something you have in common with 99.999% of the population of Planet Earth. You don't need to set up a straw man argument just to dip your oar in the water.
William Rogers
I know more than the average Joe. Just because you know more about imaginary arguments doesn't mean it deserves my respect.
Tyler Campbell
>my girlfriend is this girl with a saved Sup Forums picture filename
right
there's no reason to ponder questions that cannot be answered. it's faggot shit.
Brody Brown
You're right. I don't understand it because it's all made up. Toss however many word salads you want, it doesn't change reality.
Evan Gray
Underage fag detected
Landon Butler
And what's the alternative? To satisfy the condition of "exist" we merely need be. Since I'm clearly stopping this right now, I exist. Now, dinner might say that our universe is actually an illusion, therefore we don't exist. But, even if it is an illusion, that illusion exists, and we clearly exist within it. Then the question moves to the nature of our existence rather than a question as to whether we exist at all.
Jeremiah Roberts
Hope springs eternal.
Mason King
That's not true. We don't yet have proof of this. We only know that our perception of time is linear. Causality is based on our perception of the arrow of time, but we don't know yet if that is the inherint nature of time.
Chase Jenkins
so you view your girlfriend like that too?
Jordan Watson
Outgroup bias at work, kids. "I don't understand what other people think, so I don't like them or what they say!"
Jacob Stewart
Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it nonsense. The problem is that you haven't read enough of the basics to even understand the words being used. For instance, you need to have read (and understood) the CoPR to understand why certain axioms must necessarily be assumed. Without that, understanding Heidegger and Husserl is virtually impossible.
What you're exhibiting is classic Dunning-Kruger effect. Your lack of knowledge about the subject renders you unable to see your lack of knowledge about the subject, and to therefore be oblivious to genuine expertise. It doesn't mean you're stupid, just that you lack the expertise necessary to recognize your own lack of expertise.