How does Sup Forums feel about universal health care?

How does Sup Forums feel about universal health care?

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It seems a lot less crooked than mandating coverage by private insurance companies. Corporate dems and the republicans came together and fucked us with Obama care, and now they're fucking us again. Anyone who disagrees on either side of the isle is blinded by bias.

Obamacare fucked us? How so? Raising prices? So fucking what. Millions of people have coverage now that didn't before. How many lives do you think that saved? 10? 20? 50? You don't think thats worth it? Fuck you!

What would be a better system in your opinion?

Do you think if a private company had trouble making money by covering the people with pre-existing conditions or who otherwise were not covered before, that the government will be able to do a better job? I'd like to think they will

>Be me
>Be Australia
>Never paid a cent for healthcare in my life
>Spend all my time getting furious that pseudoephedrine is so hard to get and complaining about the shit medical system we have

What's America's story?

I'm not sure how I feel about paying for the healthcare of everyone in the universe. Could we start with just the USA?

Do you pay taxes user? There is no free lunch. You've been paying for health care you're whole life. Or at least your parents have.

You see, the government takes your money and spends it on health care for you. Rather than you spending it on yourself.

Dems had the house and the Senate. They could have done it right and pursued an expansion of Medicare for everyone. But they lined the pockets of the insurance companies that invested in theirbelections instead. That's how they fucked us. I can't even marry my fiancee who I have two kids with. Her and the boys wouldn't qualify for the subsidies with my income. Which isn't bad but not enough insure a family of 4. And the insurance I have is fucking worthless. I'm loving out 70 a week to have a 7500 deductible... And so that they'll cover 30% of prescription costs? Nigga what? A blue Congress didn't even point a fire towards big Obama gouging us. We're getting fucked by republicans and the so called left.

Well Obamacare had a website that didn't work. That basically means it fucked everyone right?

We're already paying for Israel's.

Well, almost every government program in the past has worked. Shoot, let's try it! If private companies can't survive, the government can handle it!

If private companies lose money, they go out of business. If the government gets into hot water, they'll just raise taxes and take more of our money to prop their failing business up. That's what they're there for right? I like this idea so far, let's keep going.

>be Canadian, living in Ontario
>universal single payer health care
>people piss and moan about it
>political suicide to even talk about getting rid of it
>look at murica
>40keks

Yeah and you don't have to worry about not having enough money for your kid to live, because you and your employer have been seamlessly investing money that was gonna get spent anyways into the health of your fellow countrymen. It must feel good. I don't get mad when I see 65 a week of my pay go to Medicare, that was my grandpa's defibulator at one point. It might be my mom's mamograms someday soon.

Yeah, 'cause if you don't pay taxes you'll have all the money to treat your cancer, of course.

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Too expensive to cover niggers

Lel i dont pay taxes (aside of IVA and ISR that is discounted from my paycheck) and still get free healthcare

Fuck you faggot it is called natural selection. Too poor? Get a fucking job or two!

That's awesome! Hmm, I think I broke my arm. After paying for your grandpa's defibulator and your mom's mamograms, it looks like there isn't enough money to get me a cast. You don't mind if we tax you a little more do you user? If not that's cool, we'll just print more money and devalue the price of the dollar.

I'm liking this so far! What else will universal health care get me?

You miss the point entirely. But thats to be expected when talking to muricans about healthcare. Yes you pay for it one way or another, but EVERYBODY is covered. Nobody has to worry about taking out a loan because of a trip to the hospital

Or, I could put that money into private health care insurance for me and my family? The way I do for all other major expenses in my life that would wreck me financially?

But hey, I like waiting in line at the DMV. The government running my health care seems like a great plan. I'm ready!

Woohoo! A free rider! I wanna be like him!

Get a job or two you faggot. I hope several thousand die.natural selection!

>Printing money because potato
That's not how things works

Here some food for thought for you, sir. Of course I'm not expecting your primitive brain to understand this, but I'l just throw it anyway.

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>be german
>pay 15% of income to cover the whole family
>employer pays half of it
>your move america

Interesting. So let me make sure I follow you.

If I can't pay for these expensive trips to the doctor I go financially bankrupt, correct?

Let's say, and I'm just talking out of my ass here, that the government finds itself in a position where it can't pay for all of the medical bills that are piling up around the country. Seems plausible, does it not?

Let's see, I guess they could raise taxes, print more money and just keep doing that forever right? I wonder if eventually the country itself would find itself in economic trouble? Do you think that's possible user?

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If you think a private health care insurance will bail you out of major disease expenses, you're delusional.
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Its always funny to hear prickley muricans try and justify how universal health care doesnt work

But you're still covered and the goverment has to finance your whole precedure until you're healthy again, thats the whole point of universal healthcare

Idk avput other countries but in mexico we can go as many times we want to our familiar doctor for check ups and vaccine shots, if we need a specialist they just file us a date for it for free, if we need medication they supply us with ir for free until we finish the treatment

Fuck, even 2 years ago diabetes and other chronic diseases got covered but that shit is too expensive, now they just prevent it

Health insurances here are just for people who dont like the public healthcare or need some very special shit that their local clinics cant handle

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They have no move, they just want to believe so hard, poor bastards.

Hmmm, ok. So the government runs out of money to pay for my broken arm. They can't print more money. Fair enough! I love learning new things.

Tell me then user, where does that money come from? Who is going to pay for my broken arm now that the government is no longer there to take care of me?

At the end of the day i will pay for it with my future taxes tho

With all the money were already dumping into private insurance it should be more than enough. If we stop letting big pharma gouge Medicare, we can all save a fuck ton. I think that the health providers should still be private industry but they get their payments from the public purse. The beureua can work the way well ran cities do it. Public bids and set rates for services. It will be complicated establishing a system that's fair for both sides between the public insurance board and the medical service providers. But we're gonna stop paying 300 dollars for aspirin in the ER

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I'm sure that this won't get through to you, but at least I tried.

Hmm, well they'd have to bail out somebody eventually or else they'd go out of business right? People would stop paying them, switch to a better provider, right?

I like that. I like having the freedom to chose. It's what's great about living in a free country! I don't like getting fined and jailed for not doing what the government says. If it's plan fails, I have to go along with it because they force me to. They probably won't improve anything because they can just take more of my money to pay their bills.

I love it! I'm convinced!

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Nigger, universal health care works in every other country. The fact that the business model for insurance companies depends on not covering people, avoiding competition, and giving a blank check to hospitals and big pharma...maybe it's time. If insurance companies have to depend on bribing elections to stay in business, maybe it's time.

Your criticism of government takeovers is a shitty generalization. Privatization isn't any better. Usually much worse. Look at the privatization of the prison, education, and military industries.

You can't always be a fucking republican parrot, dipshit. You might have to wake the fuck up and realize privatization may work for some industries and not for others. Same for government control.

In this case, private companies may not be the best at providing the difference between life and death for a profit.

You would think so but if that was the case health care in canada would have caved in on itself years ago. It has not

Is it? I always thought it was basic economics! But hey, everything everyone has said so far seems pretty legit!

Taxes are way more than enough to cover healthcare costs. With the government being in charge of it, the Big Pharma motherfuckers can't push them around so it isn't ridiculously expensive. I don't know if you know this, but Americans pay way too much for the same drugs that people in other countries get. So the government forces fair play. Now your taxes barely have to do anything. Also, not wanting to pay because some others can't work and you only want people who can support themselves to survive, is childish and selfish. Everyone. Every family at one time or another has had a financial crisis. It happens. Not wanting to help other people is fucking weak. People are 100 times stronger when we work together. Helping yourself before others is faggotry at it's finest.

>we can go as many times we want
Oh man, this is great! If I had to pay for this on my own I'd be a little more judicious, but since I'm spending other people's money.....hooray!!!! No consequences at all! I know! I'll go to the doctor when my balls itch and have him scratch them. That'd be funny! I love when things are free!

>public healthcare

Man public stuff is always better, I agree. Why, I just love using the public restroom toilet. It's always nice and cleaner than the toilet in my house. Plus, public restrooms always smell so nice! I wanna do public healthcare to. Let's do it anons!

The ACA was shit. They should have just expanded medicaid to cover more people. As long as you can still buy better healthcare than what the government offers I don't mind universal healthcare.

Muricans are fundamentally confused when it comes to good governance. Its been that way for decades. Our healthcare system might not be perfect but its infinately better then what you have

But you can be covered by the universal healthcare and if youre such and idiot who dont knows how it works and still be afraid of a total inmediate shitdown you can still suck some bank balls for a private health insurance, its not that hard to comprehend

You still can choose between just paying taxes for public healthcare or pay extra for a "better" healthcare and still have public healthcare

it sounds like americans dont want healthcare because they trust that their government will screw it up. I think americans who voted for trump just did it because the government is such garbage they wanted to piss on it.

It's the rational, civilized solution.

Thank You! And we have all we need to be able to ramp up medical training and train a bunch of new doctors and nurses to facilitate the expansion on healthcare. Because I'm sure once we have it and people can go to the doctor without lobbing out a ton of money a lot more peoples health issues will come to light. They always want to detract by saying there's long waits for healthcare. We can fix that by training and employing a whole generation who don't see a lot of good careers opening anywhere

>Look at the privatization of the prison, education, and military industries.
You lack a basic understanding of these industries user. You may need to investigate further. I don't know what country you hail from, but in the good old U.S.A these systems are mostly government run and are terrible. Private schools are almost always a better option to send your kids to, my parents chose that route for me at a young age.

>universal health care works in every other country.

Honestly though, I'm glad you posted because in all seriousness it just goes to show how delusional you have to be to believe this stuff. A complete ignorance of all economic principles, and besides that, just plain facts, like the financial state of virtually all the countries you refer to and what a burden the system is to the people in government.

Now you're assuming that there will always be a better provider, and that they don't work together to keep the prices at an internally defined level, so they can suck the dollars out of the suckers.

But yeah, if you're convinced that's the good system, good for you, I'll enjoy life in a developed country, where I don't have to pay upfront to go to a hospital.

Fuck off im not paying for your gastric band surgery go on a diet fatty

Americans end up paying for other people anyway, because uninsured people end up going to the ER to get basic treatment, then that cost is distributed to everyone else who goes to that hospital. Somehow people here still fail to grasp that concept.

>human lives are worth more than money

Oh to be young and idealistic again...

>Millions of people have coverage now that didn't before.
Millions of people who didn't have coverage because they DIDNT WANT IT!!!!!

In the same way that they fail to understand the concept that tipping shouldn't be mandatory and wages should be raised to restaurant workers. Murrica is pretty ficked up, glad I wasn't born there.

Healthcare spending in Canada (in 1997 dollars) has increased each year between 1975 and 2009, from $39.7 billion to $137.3 billion... In 2013 the total reached $211 billion

Wow....I'm convinced!

I'm 46 retard.
Oh to be young and edgy again.

>Helping yourself before others is faggotry at it's finest.
Ahhh, you're referring to communism! I agree with you user, this has always worked in the past as a system. When people work hard for the public good, everyone wins!

Wtf? Ofc there are regulations and people arent dickwads that dont have anything better to do but troll a doctor, people do go when they get a cold and dont have money to pay for medication, if you have money you just pay for it in a drug store, public healthcare is mainly designed for those who cant afford insurance, basically what america eill need when their poverty and inflation gets out of hand

Its not just spending others peoples money, its like some user said, this money that i dont use for my healthcare will go for some childs chemotherapgy or some mothers mammogram or to finance the ambulance of someone having a heart attack, you know, being efficient with public resources and not letting people die just because they couldnt pay the high as fuck premiums from an insurance company

I hope you dont get this modern world advancement and you and your children die of a simple flu because daddy was too stupid to comprehend how public resources work and the insurance company just didnt covered that

Kek

>Didn't want
>Can't afford
Yeah. That's the same thing.

That's a straight out lie and you know it.

What we have is shitty because of government interference of the free market system. Don't confuse basic economics with what we have. Our country could provide equal if not better health care and be in much better financial shape than your European countries if they just stayed out of it and let people voluntarily trade with themselves.

Quite the opposite is true, it is Europeans who are confused and can't understand why this is such a big issue in the U.S. We seem to be more privy to the economic woes of your countries than you do.

Oh shut the fuck up. My dad lost his father at seven and promptly had his loser mom abandon him to an orphanage. He now has phd in chemical engineering. Get off your lazy ass faggot. The world owes you nothing.

>their government will screw it up
They screw everything up. Nobody spends your money as wisely as you do

Yeah...those that don't want health insurance aren't smart enough to makr their iwn decisions. They're cheap trash with no concern for the consequences of their actions, who end up costing YOU money when they inevitably need care and cant pay for it themselves. Its mind boggling how people who are so against welfare somehow want a healthcare system where the poor idiots force YOU to pay for their care.

I don't feel anything about it because I'm covered through private health insurance and it's not a conversation I'm normally interested in. There, I said it. Murican. Muh guns and cheeseburgers.

If a solvent, well managed public system where a reasonable amount of my tax dollars is used for preventative care and both major and minor medical procedures on a timely basis for all citizens...then great. I only hope that:

- People who work in healthcare are compensated well to encourage it as a career path
- People who are irresponsible with their own health (read: human landwhales) will not be given a free ride. For example, being required to lose X pounds at the gym or else they cover more of their expenses.

Dude you need to research charter schools. Marginally better than public only because they try to cherry pick students. There is no real way to make schools better other then sticking to John Dewey style education and better funding. Public/Charter doesn't really matter. Other than that there are greater protections for workers in a public school typically. Do some research before your corporate masters destroy net neutrality.

You know humans reproduce, right?

There is this thing called inflation. Theres also population growth...theres also the modernisation needed in hospitals, costs are going to increase but guess what its still being held together and will continie to be for years to come

Get off your lazy ass and get a job dumbfucks

That's awesome user! While you're waiting in line at the DMV (your publicly provided hospital) I'll be grabbing my Starbucks (my privately provided healthcare) from a cute friendly barista who needs my service and my money to stay in business!

This is all I really want user, the freedom to chose.

Isn't government run health care wonderful!!

This. Also school integration is needed in many areas of the country.

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We don't have such thing.
Thanks republicunts.

I know for a solid fact that people dont know shit about handling money, trust me ive worked for a bank

Look it up! Raising the minimum wage has actually decreased the amount of jobs and on the job training because employers don't wanna spend 14$ an hour on your dumbass to bag groceries. So, countless millions have lost out on valuable job training from a young age. It's why there is the age old dilemma in this country " You can't get hired until you have experience, you can't get experience unless you get hired" All because of the minimum wage.

I agree I wish I hadn't been born here. I wish I lived somewhere there was no miniumum wage.

I don't want that system either. I think people who don't buy coverage should face the consequences of their decisions. At least this is a step in the right direction.

"The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."

>hoping my children and I die of the flu

This is comically funny. I want everyone covered, just the same as you user. Is it so mind blowing to you that my way might actually work better?

Costs are growing as a percentage of GDP the system is unsustainable

>economic principles
>universal health care works in most of the rest of the world
>we don't understand

Keep yapping about your private education. You are too fucking stupid to know the difference between a private school and a charter school. Your complete ignorance of the massive drain on the economy for our privatized military system, while calling others delusional about economics...well, you should be embarrassed, but it's obvious you're too stupid to even begin to admit to your shortcomings.

The only option left is to suggest you kill yourself. You are part of the problem. Too stupid to understand shit and too stupid to realize you have no worthwhile information to offer others than you would watch millions of your supposedly fellow americans die so you could squirrel away some taxes.

Fuck everything you stand for.

But what if someone cant afford healthcare?

>aren't smart enough to makr their iwn decisions.
This is the antithesis of everything we stand for here in America. A person should be free to chose for themselves. We don't outlaw smoking and drinking, yet we know those things kill you.

I shudder to think of a country where the government controls my thinking, and makes my decisions for me. Enjoy your utopia user. I'll live here with the greedy businessman who are only after a profit.

Free market interference? Tell me how a bunch of mom and pop businesses can individually negotiate with international multi billion dollar drug companies better than the government of the de-facto world currency?

You haven't dealt with insurance much, have you?
I can tell by your pipe dreams of a free market idea.

Your ass will be priced out as soon as you have a pre-existing condition or use too much of the company's profit because you had to have $$$ surgery & recovery.

>BUT... IT WON'T HAPPEN TO ME

Tell you what why dont you move to china and work your hands to the bone for a dollar a day. Fucking idiot

I don't give two fucks about being alive.

Refused insurance at work, $350 a month pffffffftt.

Did tax this year, $1400 fine!!! Obama really is the ultimate nigger, right out of thin air, it can steal.

Polar opposite. Countless studies show students chosen at random do better at private schools. Because it has nothing to do with students.

Once government gets involved it becomes impossible to fire shit teachers who suck. Private schools don't give a shit. There is incentive to do well, to please students, thus their test scores are leaps and bounds better.

Regardless, you yourself admitted they were better

You'd be surprised how happy successful and well adjusted some of us are. Of course in order to feel good about yourself you have to assume we're all cucks NEETs and neckbeards. Only true idiots assume to know people on the internet. Alas, this post will be ignored by you to your own detriment.

School integration is up precisely because schools are publicly run.

Yes please go to whatever fucking country ayn rand started, faggot

So, we need government to tell us how to spend our money?

That sounds like a great society! Convinced again!

Saving lives at the cost of my own wallet having to pay penalty fees every year because i didn't want to pay 200 a month for insurance. Thats fucking ridiculous forcing people to pay for other peoples insurance is dumb and its theft i dont care how many people obama care saved i want my money back.

The more I hear from murricans, the more astonished I become. You are really a bunch of dellusional bastards, aren't you?

Can't wait until you adopt feudalism, as your "freedom" gets reduced to shreds and you find yourselves working to please the ultra-rich overlords. Still then, I bet some of you will still think that if you work hard enough, you can become one of them. So sad.

Do you have any black friends? How many black people do you know? You seemed sheltered, user

So you would prefer rich people to run your life?

I stand for a strong economy where people have the freedom to chose how and when they spend their money.

It sounds like you prefer an authoritarian rule where decisions are made by a small, rich group of people at the top who decide what is best for the population.

So fascinating how violent people with your beliefs get. Eh well, I guess it falls in line with what you'd expect from someone who supports that kind of a system, eh?

Isnt that basically what they have going for them right now?

I never said that there aren't successful and well adjusted people here, I am one of them and I'm sure there are more. My beef is with these people not giving credit to their advantages in life. If you get far, 99% of the time you had some advantage that poor people didn't have, and you have to acknowledge that. It's not like you owe something to poorer people, but we're all in the same boat and we have to try even things out for the sake of everyone.