In 2002, NYC DJ Chuck Nice, a black man, said: "Italians are niggaz with short memories" (Guglielmo & Salerno 1). The Italian American claim of "whiteness" has been a contentious issue in the United States, going far back before DJ Nice's comment. It began back in Europe with sayings like, "Europe ends at Naples. Calabria, Sicily, and all the rest belong to Africa."
Southern Italians, historically, were discriminated against in the US and in their native country. In Guglielmo & Salerno's book, Are Italians White?, they explain this phenomenon:
>To justify such beliefs, they relied on the 'evidence' provided by Italy's leading positivist anthropologists, who argued that the darker "Mediterranean' southerners were racially distinct from the lighter 'Aryan' northerners because they possessed 'inferior African blood' and demonstrated 'a moral and social structure reminiscent of primitive and even quasibarbarian times, a civilization quite inferior.
>Mexicans grasping at straws for an even more inferior race than their own
Aiden Morales
I don't even wanna be considered white. I'm proud of my calabrese blood not ashamed
Nicholas Reyes
As southern Italians immigrated to the US in the 1900s, the categorization of them as "non-white" was explored further. Historian Matthew Jacobson said, "'It was not just that Italians did not look white to certain social arbiters, but they did not act white'" (Guglielmo & Salerno, 11). This was because many Italians who first moved to the US took on similar work that African Americans did, and also transgressed color lines, which upset white supremacists. Other ways in which Italian Americans learned they were "inferior" included: lynchings, native-born Americans protesting against riding in streetcars with them, the exclusivity children experienced with regard to schools and social groups, segregated seating in some churches, and negative images of Italians in US newspapers.
It's an interesting dichotomy, because on the one hand, Italian Americans were denied some rights and privileges, however, they were considered "white" by the state for the most part--they could own land, vote, marry whoever, and gain citizenship.
My ancestors came from Calabria, the southern most part of Italy, before Sicily. I've consistently tried to speak with my grandfather about his culture, and he consistently brushes me off, saying, "That's the old country." As a child, I didn't understand this, but as I grew older I realized more and more why it was difficult for my grandfather to welcome his Calabrese identity. When he was in elementary school here in the States, he was forced to speak English and only English. Culture and bi-lingualism was frowned upon. My grandfather assimilated to American life, much like all other immigrants during the time period. This depresses me, as my grandfather, who is now 91, is no longer fluent in his native tongue.
Juan Watson
Thats right who wants to be white in a country that openly discriminates
Italians and slavs are the least cucked out of European so maybe being not "white" is good
Austin Wood
On the issue of race, my grandfather, though I love him dearly, is abhorrently racist towards African Americans, and I suspect some of this racism stems from what I wrote about above--Southern Italians having been compared to African Americans back in the day, and how that was seen to be negative. Because Italian Americans tried desperately to fit in when they arrived in the US, and they wanted the same privileges as "pure" white Americans, they wanted to squash any comparisons made between themselves and African Americans. Their racist attitudes were fueled by their need for approval and privilege. Caroline Waldron Merithew posits that becoming "American" and becoming "white" were closely linked.
In Kym Ragusa's piece, "Sangu du Sangu Meu: Growing up Black and Italian in a Time of White Flight", she echoes the above sentiment; naming and discussing "white flight":
Mason Williams
Racism against niggers is never abhorrent
Also, the darker Italians have some arab blood, not nigger blood.
Ryan Walker
At the very least they assimilated being white isn't just about genetics or skin color its about culture and fitting in something your people here are failing to do.
Wyatt Rivera
>(((Jacobson)))
Italians have never been legally non-white and were never subjected to laws against interracial marriage
The fact that they were discriminated against does not make them socially non-white any more than the fact that the British hate the Poles and the Pakistanis equally does not make the Poles non-white, it just means there were obvious ethnic and cultural differences between Italians and nativeborn Americans the same as between Irish and Poles and Jews versus nativeborn Americans
Notice that the Germans only faced animosity over their language but otherwise there are no tales about how the Germans were perpetually discriminated against. Largely it was along religious lines that nativeborn Americans opposed various European groups as opposed to the racial lines that blacks and Asians were opposed.
Typical kike peddling bullshit to try and divide American society for his benefit.
Benjamin Anderson
Every racial group hates niggers
Easton Mitchell
This cycle of displacement/replacement occurred with my Grandfather. The family migrated from Calabria to New York, and from New York to Racine, Wisconsin. Always running--always searching--leaving the "old country" far behind; running away from any insinuation of being non-white.
Whiteness is not always obvious. Is it in the eye of the beholder? My father and I have more than once been asked: "What are you?" In graduate school, my father's peers thought he was the foreign-exchange student because of his dark complexion. They called him a "Spic" (which, at the time, was a slur towards Italians as well as Latinos). I've also come into contact with people's inevitable discomfort in not being able to identify my race and ethnicity immediately, as I've written about before here. The experience is always mesmerizing to me--I feel like, "is this really happening?"
Camden Harris
Who was hated more in America Italians or Polish
Henry James
Whiteness seems to be something people are constantly looking for--either to establish calm or chaos for themselves. When "white" or "non-white" isn't identified immediately, questions abound. Is this fair? Of course not, but does it happen? Most definitely.
Italian Americans and their relation to whiteness has been contentious at best. Now in the year 2011, Italian Americans are no longer faced with the same racial and ethnic discrimination as they were when they first arrived to the U.S. Their race is not usually contested (or discussed for that matter), and the general public has seemingly forgotten the question of whiteness it posed to Italian Americans over 100 years ago.
Now on to other such causes, like getting MTV's, "Jersey Shore" off the air...
I'm still trying to figure out what this mexican is reaching for...
Ayden Allen
Thanks for telling me I'm not white
Who wants to be white when white people are apparently all evil
Owen Morris
Italians arn't white duh
Ryder Perry
BUILD
Lincoln Smith
Half of them arn't Italian
Bentley Carter
The Irish
Eli Peterson
Italians are spics
Isaac Reed
Annoys the piss out of me that people in this country walk around spouting shit like Irish were not considered white an Spanish and Italians arent white etc.
Nathan Ortiz
Italians.
Poles assimilated remarkably well. Italians formed the Mafia.
Austin Brown
To be honest, the problem lies in the "Italians" meaning itself.
I live in central Italy, near Rome. I'm italian as far as my generations go. And I'm one of those with dark hair and eyes, kinda manlet, and slight dark skin. Your average Italian i guess.
But you see, Northern Italians are more "continental" in every aspect: way of life first, and "whiteness" following.
pic related, a random pic of random people from my area, in one of the beach parties that are starting with the warm season.
We're very mixed in aspect, but we're far from niggers, and far from anglo-white.
Brandon Russell
They aren't but they sure look like spics
Adrian Bell
he's upset he'll never be part of the true human race and wants to bring down the goombas with him
Colton Powell
I think most Italians would acknowledge their half-breed status. Especially the southerners.
Everyone still loves Italians though.
Hunter Thomas
I thought this was settled. Northern Italians are white, and Southern Italians are a hit or miss, and then Sicilians might as well be Mexicans.
William Cook
lol they look so stereotypical
Henry Perry
They all look like Brazilians. There's even trannies there ffs.
>Italians >White
Elijah Rivera
italians are not white anglos are not white spanish are not white
Dylan Young
>Notice that the Germans only faced animosity over their language but otherwise there are no tales about how the Germans were perpetually discriminated against. Largely it was along religious lines that nativeborn Americans opposed various European groups as opposed to the racial lines that blacks and Asians were opposed.Typical kike peddling bullshit to try and divide American society for his benefit.
This guy gets it.
Blake Roberts
My family got invited to America from Sicily in the 1900's to work with the Mexicans. We assimilated with white America and I get called white all the time. It just gives me ammo to use against SJW "you're a fucking white male" bullshit. They shut the fuck up fast after I call them out for misjudging my cultural identity.
Luke White
There are multiple US Supreme Court cases that affirm that Mexicans are white. Technically, every filthy Paco that crosses the border is white when as soon as he comes into US jurisdiction.
Still wanna come here?
Jayden Mitchell
The US government considers spics, Arabs, Jews, Berbers, and Persians do all be white.
Our government sucks.
Ian Morris
My father's side came here from Italy. I may not be white, but I'm smart enough to know that Mexicans are no good wetbacks and we need to keep them out. These white guys have been doing a good job, why would I want to swap them out for spics and niggers?
Asher Cruz
Family is from Liguria, fuck off spic
Ryan Jones
Hispanic/Latino =/= Mestizo
You guys get all the Mestizos though. There's little to no reason why Castizos and well off Native Latinos should immigrate to USA. They are already wealthy.
Julian Collins
Can you even read a map? It says the opposite.
Ian Cruz
no it doesnt shitskin
Xavier White
...
Brandon Perry
where are you from? Why is everybody in this picture so ugly?
Eli Baker
>My grandfather assimilated to American life, much like all other immigrants during the time period. This depresses me It really shouldn't. I mean yeah it's great knowing several languages and having a unique culture to contribute but it's been abused by shitskins speaking in clicks and thinking cannibalism is a quaint cultural export (okay that's hyperbole but still). I think all Western nations are moving closer to a zero tolerance policy for its peoples and immigrants, a return to the old ways where you assimilated or you were permanently segregated and abused.
Jacob Perry
Central Italy. Don't know about the ugliness of the people, but I don't cherry pick beautiful people to impress people on /pol.
That's what to me seems the people's average.
Brayden Watson
>"Europe ends at Naples. Calabria, Sicily, and all the rest belong to Africa." Southern Italy was under Moorish rule for 900 years. There's truth to it.
Ryan Jenkins
Fuck off, slavic subhuman.
Adrian Wood
ok we aren't white my spic friend so ?
Zachary Moore
Northern Italy = true master race.
Too lazy to make a collage of with Gallileo, Volta, Roman Emperors etc. More Italian geniuses than in any other race. Deal with it.
John Anderson
You're white!
Julian Thomas
>>>/africa/
Nicholas Martinez
Seriously? What about all of the Slavic subhumans and the Turks?
The only non-white dagos are the Sicilians, aside from that Italians are white.
Divide and conquer is a cheap shot attempt by the kikes.
Christopher Cox
Still don't go to Naples. Even today can be compared to Detroit, but not because of niggers, but the Neapolitans themselves.
They're son of a bitch inside their soul
Aiden Allen
>not because of niggers, but the Neapolitans themselves So because of niggers
Landon Baker
Seriously? You're the faggot trying to divide the white race and I'm supposedly the nigger?
At least Anglos and Mediterraneans are not mongolian rape babies or shit tier immigrants, go get drunk on Vodka or something and give this laptop back to the German you stole it from.
Samuel James
The guys look like homosexuals
Leo Jackson
I do not know a single Italian person that doesn't identify as white
t. 1/4 German, 1/4 North Italan, 1/4 South Italian, 1/4 English mongrel
Xavier Ross
What's up with all your doughy feminine mama boys. High estrogen or are you all just faggots?
Tyler Phillips
>They're son of a bitch inside their soul
Benjamin Walker
>I don't even wanna be considered white
Nobody does. When Jessica Alba found out she was 97% white on The George Lopez Show, she was absolutely horrified. White ancestry is something that should be reviled and kept hidden.
That's the remnants of the Hipster wave as how it crashed here.
now they all have those beards and faded long top hair and sleeved up skinny trousers
They all seem to me gay lumberjacks still
Julian Sanchez
Oh fuck off. You want to live in America and have a good paying job? You're gonna assimilate and learn to speak English. The reason your grandpa doesn't speak of Sicily? He left it because it was a shit hole with a backwards culture. Any culture that actively supports mobs running politics should rightfully be left in the dust.
Hudson Morgan
>Irish >hated
Zachary Green
Hipsters *are* gay lumberjacks, my dago wop friend.
William Hill
Nope. Northern Italians are not white. If you are even part Northern Italian you aren't white.
Eli Parker
>I don't know anything about 1800s politics
The first fucking nativist party was against the Irish dumbfuck.
Jaxon Jackson
Ignore the stupid nigger, leaf bro.
The Irish are a very respectable people with a rich cultural background.
Christian Thomas
Persians are white tho.
Carter Morgan
>Italians aren't white not even North
Enjoy being brainwashed by those filthy kikes, good goyim.
Logan Baker
Oh god the hipster beards, i'm so fucking mad at those. It's like they're making in some fagfactory, beard, square glasses, flanel shirt, overweight
And now i need to shave mine to avoid being confused with this degeneracy
Carter Hughes
Do you really have a tv show where celebrities take dna tests to talk about >muh heritage?
Carson Nelson
t. Ulster faggot
Joshua Morgan
No, they're sandniggers.
Pretty much *all* of them have been mixed with brown Semitic Arab blood.
Logan Baker
leave subhuman
Northern Italians are not master-race AT ALL. All famous North Italians were just Germans. And Roman Emperors were Southern Italian.
Isaac Johnson
What an awful pic of her absolutely no curves looks like a boy body
Hunter Flores
BTW Brits are not white. They descend from Ancient Celts which even the Romans said were dark. Like John Oliver. You're not white. Stop trying to divide and conquer.
Christopher Mitchell
>To justify such beliefs, they relied on the 'evidence' provided by Italy's leading positivist anthropologists, who argued that the darker "Mediterranean' southerners were racially distinct from the lighter 'Aryan' northerners because they possessed 'inferior African blood' and demonstrated 'a moral and social structure reminiscent of primitive and even quasibarbarian times, a civilization quite inferior.
Pathetic brainwashed faggot but what more can I expect from a country controlled by the kikes?
Jeremiah Allen
Everyone does
Adam Jones
Everyone does!
Eli Jackson
You leave you fucking leaf faggot.
Slavs are shit tier immigrants like the Pakis.
Wyatt Reed
>but I don't cherry pick beautiful people to impress people on /pol.
That's literally what all the spics do in the "Hispanic bro-tier threads" kek
You're alright, user.
Kayden Diaz
yeah they look Portuguese
Joseph Lee
You're not really Anglo. Anceint Britain was never actually white. Romans considered the Celts living there to be darker than they were. And Anglo-Saxony only makes up a very small amount of British DNA. You're a mongrel. Germans and Scandinavians are the white people.
Eli Morales
that's cool white people are sissified anyway
Austin Cox
Fuck off subhuman mongrel.
Lucas Mitchell
You're such a dumb nigger/kike if you believe that.
Tyler Lopez
STFU sissy.
Alexander White
Anglo-Irish masterrace.
America is for the Anglo-Celtic-Germanic
All Latins and Slavs get out.
Lucas Harris
You're a fucking idiot. Vikings described the English as being swarthy and so did the Normans. Even the Roman legion said they were swarthy.
Christopher Rodriguez
>A DNA test whose results were displayed on the show Finding Your Roots with Henry Louis Gates, Jr. (2014) stated that Jessica’s genetic ancestry is:
72.7% European 22.5% East Asian/Native American (Indigenous Mexican) 2.0% Sub-Saharan African 0.3% Middle Eastern/North African 0.1% South Asian 2.4% No Match
Cameron James
Make me you filthy leaf degenerate.
Go and witness another transexual marriage you ugly faggot.
Josiah Richardson
I watched your clip. She isn't absolutely horrified. Surprised and disappointed yeah, but not horrified.
One comment says: >America must never forget the horrible things they did to us. And we Italians should see blacks as our brothers and sisters since we faced similar oppression to them and were treated with the same disrespect they were treated with. As far as I'm concerned, Italians in America have been the victim of the white man just as much as all other minorities.
kek
Daniel Ortiz
That picture clearly shows a drunken Irish guy. You're a potato-nigger and not welcomed in America.
Jayden Adams
Shut up you ugly inbred, you filthy creep.
Liam Torres
Fuck yeah!
I believe that America would function better if run by the Anglos, Irish and Germans. Italians can stay but the Slavs, wetbacks and niggers can fuck off back to where they came from.
Dominic Ross
>run by Anglos No. Anglos had to be run by Germans because the truth is Anglos aren't actually Anglo. They 90% celt and not fit to run their own civilization.
Colton Hughes
>we Italians
Do italo-americans know how much Italians despise them?