I'll be honest, Sup Forums. I'm white but I do not subscribe to any white nationalist, white supremacist, white pride...

I'll be honest, Sup Forums. I'm white but I do not subscribe to any white nationalist, white supremacist, white pride, white power, neo-Nazi, etc. ideology. I in fact find such belief systems to be repugnant. However, I have no interest in expending the energy necessary to dissuade individuals from holding such beliefs; it is an extremely intensive and time consuming process to get someone to even consider examining potential problems with a core belief they hold so deeply. I simply don't have the patience. That being understood, and much to the chagrin of all the various leftist groups, I am of the opinion that there is good that can come from even some of the most toxic ideologies. It is in that spirit that I wish to ask a few questions today directed at those who genuinely hold these sort of opinions.
What have you done to help white people?

I'm not speaking of keyboard activism, nor of simply spreading your ideas or attending rallies for your cause. What have you ACTUALLY done to help whites who are suffering? Why are you not active in helping poor white communities? Opiate addiction is ravaging working class whites. Why are you not building support systems to help them get clean and turn their lives around? Why are you not creating networks to help find jobs for unemployed whites, or setting up retraining programs for those whose jobs have been rendered obsolete? Why are you not food banking for hungry white children in Appalachia? Why are you not working in some way to rebuild white communities?
You speak so much of the accomplishments of the white race. You speak of grand things that whites have built, and look admiringly upon that past. Why are you not building now? Where is this 'white man's spirit' you glorify to be found within yourself?

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masslegalhelp.org/income-benefits/food-stamps-immigrants-myths-and-facts
m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5806972
numbersusa.com/news/new-study-shows-51-immigrant-households-utilize-welfare-programs
cis.org/all-employment-growth-since-2000-went-to-immigrants
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_shirts
cis.org
numbersusa.com
twitter.com/NSFWRedditImage

It is easy to hold a belief that makes one feel good. Liberals do it all the time. They pay lip service to causes that make them feel righteous and march in rallies taking selfies all the way for feel-good brownie points from those in their bubble, but when the time comes to put in actual work for these causes they shrink away. Are you no better?

Will no one answer?

because being mad and externalizing your problems is easier

I assumed as much. Humans are such a disappointment to me.

user, I am an ex-Jew who listens to them shit on my family all day. They are in so deep that it almost takes a war to undo this damage. They are poor and sold unto conspiracy theories.

this is primarily what distinguishes white nationalist groups of today and the fascist parties of the 30s.

the fascist/nazis of the 30s actually went into communities and helped (their preferred race/group) deal with the issues. that's how they gained so much political power and were able to get people to join their paramilitaries in the first place. fascism was viewed as an anti-socialist way of achieving some of the goals of socialism. this appealed strongly to working and middle class groups who had some measure of wealth and thus feared socialist revolution which would take it away. class collaboration/corporatism became an alternative means to achieve (according to them) similar ends.

today's groups do none of these things and just whine about the inferior peoples at tiny protests no one cares about. the reason they do this is because they aren't truly fascist groups today. they don't actually want to help other white people; they just want to keep the inferiors down. it's a strange mix of economic conservatism and racial superiority gone amuk.

And we are lucky that there are not truly fascists groups today but this new far right craziness will be the destruction of our society. The sane moderates need to fight back.

OH LOOK, ANOTHER JEW PLAYING THE VICTIM CARD, WHO WOULD HAVE FUCKING GUESSED

Fuck off kike

Jews are scum of the earth. Every single rational culture and people fucking hate jews, and for good reason.

well i should add a caveat in that i was primarily speaking for America and the anglosphere in general.

continental Europe has some actual far right groups which are doing exactly those things, such as the Golden Dawn and in some areas the National Front, and it is partly why they are gaining political power again.

the red scare and then neoliberalism just hit the anglosphere so hard that anytime anyone tries to set up a political party which has a platform of helping other people everyone screams "socialism" and it tends to fizzle out.

The conspiracy theories are so much wasted effort it drives me crazy. Yes, the focus on just hating and attacking external groups is disgusting to me. It seems that they care far less about the genuine issues of whites than they care about tearing down nonwhites. Makes it appear that they don't even hold to their own grandiose narrative, and just want an excuse to hate others.

>OH LOOK, ANOTHER JEW PLAYING THE VICTIM CARD, WHO WOULD HAVE FUCKING GUESSED

Are you like trying to be ironic? All national socialists do is play the victim card. You guys are the social justice warriors of the right.

>Fuck off kike

I am no longer in the tribe but please learn to speak proper English.

>Jews are scum of the earth. Every single rational culture and people fucking hate jews, and for good reason.

Okay, like the OP said, can I ask exactly what of value you add to western society?

I have to agree with you. A very cogent analysis, user.

The reason these far right groups are rising again is because of the terrorists attacks. The fundamentalist Muslims wanted us to destroy ourselves/become like them and so far they have been winning.

>What have you done to help white people?
just dismantled your pathetic narrative

They have fun hair tho

TLDR

They only care about their search for 'purity.' For most of my life I had no idea their was a group of people who viewed Jews as 'non-white.' They seem more interested in hating people than doing good work for anyone. The only reason they are getting a kick back is because of the terrorist attacks.

Why do you think they turn to fundamentalist Islam and harbor hatred for major Western nations in the first place? What would happen to their numbers if we stopped implementing regime change in their nations, or stopped indiscrimina6ely bombing them and killing civilians in their countries? My real question is, how much of that behavior is our fault?

>What have you done to help white people?

Voted for a wall to keep out job stealing, welfare mooching, rapists.

true, and the other reason being just that generally muslims are not part of the nation being promoted by them.

What do I add to western society? Every week I volunteer at an addict recovery center. I also have a job, pay taxes, don't break the law, and I don't have an agenda to ruin society like your disgusting jew family. I'm sure you would volunteer, but your jewish nose can't sniff up any sheckels so it's a waste of time.
>Become like them
Good meme. These far right groups don't move in to different countries, demand free shit, rape women, and murder natives. But go ahead and spew some retarded bullshit reasons on how
they're racist and muh feelings, seeing as the "crimes" these groups commit is saying things you don't like.
Jews can't be white considering you have to be a human being to be any race.

Well they do matter; its only because we take the bait. Terrorists use suicide bombers when they are desperate and normally use people they view as suckers to do them.

We are living in a golden age within western civilization. If everyone calmed their breasts and understood how awesome we had it they might be less to excited to tare it down.

>voted

voting doesn't help your fellow white man. organizing their communities and convincing them to work together does.

Most of it, if africans started bombing white villages in america because they think it would help africa, wouldnt 'murica be pissed and start bombing em back?

run into niggers while they are committing crimes (drug dealing, violence etc.) give them the business pic related thats me

Do said rapists have jobs or are they mooching welfare? Cuz if you somehow can do both, sign me up, I´d like to do that too.

Stay on your side of the wall, Pedro.

>I'll be honest, Sup Forums. I'm white but I do not subscribe to any white nationalist, white supremacist, white pride, white power, neo-Nazi, etc. ideology. I in fact find such belief systems to be repugnant. However, I have no interest in expending the energy necessary to dissuade individuals from holding such beliefs;
So you're as blandly normal as meg griffin and overthinking this.

>What have you done to help white people?
No more than anybody else.

>Opiate addiction is ravaging working class whites. Why are you not building support systems to help them get clean and turn their lives around? Why are you not creating networks to help find jobs for unemployed whites, or setting up retraining programs for those whose jobs have been rendered obsolete? Why are you not food banking for hungry white children in Appalachia?
Citation needed.

>Why are you not working in some way to rebuild white communities?
Those of us who are worth a fuck aren't destroying our own communities to begin with. I'll help out if a disaster occurs until then don't waste my time.

>You speak so much of the accomplishments of the white race. You speak of grand things that whites have built, and look admiringly upon that past.
You know nothing of me or my works.

tldr: this thread is a waste.

> Every week I volunteer at an addict recovery center.

This is the only decent thing in your entire post; which judging from what follows is a dubious claim from a degenerate like you.
>I also have a job, pay taxes, don't break the law, and I don't have an agenda to ruin society like your disgusting jew family.

Okay, so basically exactly like my family only with the added bonus that you dislike them based on your feelings and the imaginary vision of them controlling the world.

Neoliberals' horrendous policy pushes people to look for alternatives, and they know that the biggest threat to their power is actual left ideas, so they propagate the red scare tactics to tamp down such movements. They believe that right wing policy looks bad enough on its own to scare people away from that too, which leaves them as the only 'safe' option. They didn't bank on the people they continually screwed over becoming desperate enough to turn to the far right.

you are a shining example of why white nationalism will never go anywhere.

I would love to see you do this.

>Good meme. These far right groups don't move in to different countries, demand free shit, rape women, and murder natives. But go ahead and spew some retarded bullshit reasons on how

That is actually the definition of what far right groups do. You guys are the lowest common denominator tribal warriors like your far left counter parers.

>But go ahead and spew some retarded bullshit reasons on how
they're racist and muh feelings, seeing as the "crimes" these groups commit is saying things you don't like.

You guys are idiots, hypocrites and literally worsen our society. I wish you would move from western civilization if you are just going to piss all over what actually makes it great.

They work under the table and collect benefits. Their wives claim they live alone and collect benefits. Their illegal non English speaking kids use up school resources. Their anchor babies get expensive medical care paid by you.

They definitely screw you in both directions at the same time.

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I like how you try to be smart but you do not understand logic enough to know that insults are not a premise.

Oh absolutely. It's so simple, yet so many don't see it.

youre a fucking idiot for thinking a joker and a white nat are the same thing

>This is the only decent thing in your entire post; which judging from what follows is a dubious claim

Seconded, I highly doubt that he actually does volunteer work for addicts

>joker

you're simply reinforcing my point.

the people who subscribe to white nationalism today ARE primarily "jokers" who are so angry at the system that they just hate everyone who doesn't hate all the same things they do.

they don't want to help each other out. they don't care about anything. it's nihilism. if you're a "joker," you stand for absolutely nothing.

I don't think they give anybody anything at all besides evening the playing field a tiny bit because the leftists are equally as cancerous.
Collectivism in general is retarded.
The "white genocide" is a slight concern to me though, but not because white people are gonna go extinct, I'd welcome that shit if we were displaced by cutie Asians, but the future of Europe looks to be under sharia, the way things are playing out right now.

How can you collect benefits if you're an illegal? you need a social security number no?

most states, not even just liberal ones, don't require a social security number to collect most government benefits. usually all you have to show is that you're unemployed and seeking employment and/or that you have children to support.

Not even a passport or anything? Srsly? Is America this retarded?

>he can't handle my bantz

>these stupid questions

Have you people ever met a brown person or a poor person?

Do you just stay inside your gated community all day and take the helicopter to the country club?

You're so god damn sheltered it's no wonder you have retarded left wing politics.

My issue with the fears of a future under Sharia driving people to the far right is that legal protections from the establishment of a religion or religious law and ensuring that no particular religion gains too much influence is that the right wing does not hold a patent on these principles. These are basic secular ideas that left, right, or center can hold to. I'm considered leftist and I absolutely believe in that. There's no rule that a left wing party can't have that as part of their platform. And if one doesn't seem to exist where you are, create one.

In my experience helping people with this process, a social security number is required multiple times. I'm not sure where user lives that this isn't the case.

I grew up poor in Croydon south London whites are minority when I grew up so I've met plenty of scroungers.

I just find it hard to believe that you don't need any ID in America to get welfare thats dumb as fuck no wonder your country is going down the hole.

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None of that is true.

You're poor AND you hang out with the negro? Looks like you're the problem, princess. Now pop on down to the family dollar, homie, and score us some "Dr. Perky" or "Mountain Lion" or whatever it is that you poor people swill into those rotten cesspools you call mouthes. The rest of us have important shit to do like contributing to society. Fuck off, welfare queen.

In my state it definitely is required, and it's an extremely liberal state. I don't know the rules in other states but I take these kind of claims with a grain of salt.

yeah dude i'm a lefty too but separation of church and state, or mosque and state is a good idea

Denial: the post.

are you fucking kidding me?

i just read the last line of your shit post and my fucking God.

WHERE ARE THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS NOW!? ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS? DO YOU NOT KNOW WHAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED IN THE LAST FIFTY YEARS SCIENTIFICALLY, MEDICALLY AND INDUSTRIALLY?

you stupid baiting faggot fucking cuck pick up a book and do some reading.

Whites have more accomplishments in the last fifty years than our ENTIRE fucking history.

No evidence : the info graph.

i personally have received unemployment benefits without having to fill in my social security number. they only required a state ID.

state IDs can be obtained without a social security number in most states.

He means what have right wing facist groups done not white people dumass

So you respond with even less evidence? By your very own argument you're less credible you dumb cunt.

oh well if thats the case who fucking knows, are there any ring wing facists groups left?

like i said i only read the last bit of his post

Indeed, that and free speech and a free press are just basic protections of human rights. Everyone in the local group I've formed believes in those things, and we're all considered left.

masslegalhelp.org/income-benefits/food-stamps-immigrants-myths-and-facts

>Myth: If you don’t have legal status, you can’t get SNAP.
>Fact: Undocumented people can’t get SNAP. But citizens and some legal immigrants who live with them can get SNAP, including children.

No I don't have id, but my 8 children are all US citizens, hand over gibs plox

How can you have less evidence than zero? A denial of your bogus made up statistics does not have a burden of proof.

I ran some numbers, did some calculations, and dabbled with a few equations. My findings prove, unequivocally, that you should kill yourself on a family members special day. The numbers indicate that it should either be your parent's aniversary or mother's birthday. This perfectly factual because I'm white. Any argument you provide will be invalid.

This is the most intelligent post in this thread and one of the best I've seen on Sup Forums in a while.

this is a good answer

>80% Of Central American Women, Girls Are Raped Crossing Into The U.S.

m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5806972

citation needed

>muh hurt fee fees are the only evidence i need

This whole idolizing the Nazis thing still scares me. They also murdered groups of people because they didn't like them.

OP here, he is correct that this was directed specifically at the far right fascist type groups gaining traction over the last few years. They spend a great deal of time decrying nonwhites and heiling in public and speaking about their ideals and feeling quite proud of themselves for doing so, but they do little to nothing to help these dying white communities they point to as a call to their cause.

>like i said i only read the last bit of his post
My god, you people are stupid

Yes, that is what I am asking you; what beyond your feelings is evidence for those statistics? Please present the research or data.

>New Study Shows 51% of Immigrant Households Utilize Welfare Programs

numbersusa.com/news/new-study-shows-51-immigrant-households-utilize-welfare-programs

because i go out of my way to let you know beforehand what im responding to and what i've read in regards to that context?

sorry your autism didn't let you pick that up when you responded to me but that's not my fault mate, get your shit together.

All Employment Growth Since 2000 Went to Immigrants

cis.org/all-employment-growth-since-2000-went-to-immigrants

i (person who wrote that post) do not advocate on behalf of the far right at all. i just know what distinguishes today's groups from the historical ones.

it can all be primarily attributed to the general death of collectivism as a political force, which is what tied both fascism and communism together. fascism was defeated and the Cold War ended, and people just simply believe that individualism won because it was a superior theory.

sure, but, not so sure

pro tip: don't assume someone isn't a nazi just because they aren't flying a flag.

you literally, and i mean this from the bottom of my heart, have no fucking idea what you're talking about and are going off what little misinformation you have.

a nazi could cure cancer, so what does that do anyways? justify him being a nazi? stupid argument through and through

evil can do greatness and good can do fuck all, that's just life.

a nazi can send us into space, and a tree loving nigger can give us aids, is one better than the other because your basis seems to make it sound like what you achieve provides water for your arguments.

>because i go out of my way to let you know beforehand what im responding to and what i've read in regards to that context?
No, obviously that is not why. Its because you're too goddamn lazy/autistic to read a few paragraphs and instead get triggered by buzzwords in the conclusion of OP's post.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_shirts
even mexicans in the thirty's were anti jew its crazy lmao

SUCH A VIBRANT AND BEAUTIFUL CULTURE

You know what guys I was wrong forget the wall and fuck drumpf

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>cis.org
>numbersusa.com
You can't use websites tied to white supremacist ideals, nor numbers from an "immigration reductionist" advocacy group to make this argument. The bias is pretty clear.

it look more like he's saying "holy shit"

I have no idea why anyone would want a wall.

nah

probabilities don't stop at zero you autistic fucking clown

But your corporate shill press whose owners want cheap labor is fine

Had you read the original post, you would see the part where I said exactly that before posing my questions:
"That being understood, and much to the chagrin of all the various leftist groups, I am of the opinion that there is good that can come from even some of the most toxic ideologies." My question was why these people don't seem to be doing so, and if anyone reading actually was doing something to better their communities I wanted to hear about it.

You can not make a probability out of no data.

absolute bullshit.

more whites help whites and non whites than all other races combined. a lot of those people are absolutely flying far right wing beliefs.

you among many of the others here are just talking out of your ass and addressing the numbers through a biased lens that never assumes both directions but rather only the one that suits you. typical cunt.

It wasn't meant to be an argument for or against the ideology itself.

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actually, yes you can. data isn't the only modifier that establishes probabilities. you can have absolutely zero data and provide hypothetical and non hypothetical probability factors.

please do everyone a favor and shut the fuck up, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Tldr

This

"seem" is the key word here. you really have no idea what you're talking about and if the REAL question here is why don't they get more publicity i think we can both agree if you don't know the answer you're actually retarded.

this isn't the time or place for the nazi regime to shine, do you really expect those communities to be bustling with Wernher von Brauns?

Come'on man, think think think

Hur dur, I believe it because it's a photo.

Fuck your dubs you thick cunt

What is your definition of 'help'? Because the original post is specifically referring to boots on the ground direct contribution of time and labor, not an abstract form of help through paying taxes and the like.