What caused the shift on Sup Forums from libertarianism to the alt-right over the last 5 years?

what caused the shift on Sup Forums from libertarianism to the alt-right over the last 5 years?

The left grew more cancerous during that time period so Sup Forums naturally reacted and grew more extreme.

Debate.

People moved on

You obviously stayed

this sounds right to me

tumblr, BLM, obese feminists, etc have gained more attention in the last 5 years

I still stand as a moderate libertarian but I can totally understand why others dont want to put up with it and go full alt right.

its clearly this, five years ago the craziest people getting media coverage were republicans

Wtf is

>alt-right


I've been on Sup Forums for maybe 4 years

And I get on this morning and this is the second thread I've seen


Wtf is this 'alt right ' ?

Alternative rightwing ?

That's fucking pathetic

Migration from Sup Forums drastically altering the belief structure of the host board.

alt-right is something that revolves around Sup Forums, Sup Forums didn't "shift" to the alt-right, the alt-right is just a way for the media to describe Sup Forums and it's presence on social media.

Sup Forums's more in line with libertarianism though.

it seems like there is a historical cycle,

there are going to be idiots in every large group

once an ideology grows large enough, it opens itself to attacks from smaller ideologies because millions of its members are inevitably going to be retarded

there is no reason to believe "the alt-right" would be any less retarded than the SJW tumblr faggots were they to gain widespread acceptance

Cluck among other things pissed people off.

because the left became brainless monkeys.

The Alt-Right are just ex-libertarians and ancaps who jumped ship when these ideas were no longer considered edgy.

First post best post

The rise of SJWs. It invalidates anything libertarianism requires to exist.

>Attacks free speech
>Attacks logic and reason
>Attacks principles outside its own dogma

There is no room for libertarianism on this planet, "Libertopia in Space" someday though.

*liberalism
Fixed it for ya there. Sup Forums has been a liberal shithole for a while now

the Right is continually losing ground due to demographics

it's a retreat from the splinter Right forms to one larger grouping

defensive strategy

>The Alt-Right are just ex-libertarians and ancaps who jumped ship when these ideas were no longer considered edgy.
Libertarianism was never edgy, it felt like a hippy movement with conservative economics.

The Alt-Right is right wing politics outside of the American conservative mainstream. It's largely white nationalist and neoreactionary.

Because we realised that reason and rationality will never change anything. The left does not care about those things. Force and strength are the only way to defeat them.

>>Attacks free speech
>>Attacks logic and reason
>>Attacks principles outside its own dogma


all things which frustrated young women do

SJW = BS term

Even then, if the influx of Sup Forumstards is affecting Sup Forums's ideology it's not like it's getting more liberal.

Though I suppose I have seen less Hitler recently.

Edgy Sup Forums tard teenagers and /r9k/ fags

>neoreactionary

Non-reactionary is the strategy of Britbongs, government-enforced prayer calls before 2020.

I don't know. I've been to a so-called "Alt Right" conference. To be honest, none of them looked remotely close the fedora meme. I see that look a lot more with the alt right's critics.

This. There are still a few of us libertarians though, but even some of us want Trump. Better Trump then Comrade Bernie

Its a meme party that literally was made up by an edgelord

Also, we realised that you cannot get rid of the welfare state unless you stop immigration.

>The Alt-Right is right wing politics outside of the American conservative mainstream. It's largely white nationalist and neoreactionary.

Alt right is the teenage phase of conservatism

How many alt right people are over 30?

Alt right = young conservative with small bank balance

That and you're not doing it voluntarily.

>we realised that you cannot get rid of the welfare state unless you stop immigration.
This is absolutely correct.

It's more in line with governmental anarchism and social liberalism

Spoiler: many of us still are libertarians or lefties, society changed and the lefties are now running everything. And they're fucking insane. Especially the SJW fringe that the left is too afraid to step on and squash.

Sup Forums is contrarian.

That's pretty much it. Some actual nazis blended in because they thought they were home. The pro-cuck posts and interracial pics keep them in tears though.

>Alt right is the teenage phase of conservatism

You calling Enoch Powell a naive teen?

The last 5 years have shown what happens with the culmination of left-wing social engineering. Libertarianism doesn't address that; it passively supports it.

Progressive leftist mostly

>many of us are still lefties

Poor Sven trying to rationalize his minority status

For me the shift from libertarianism came from realizing that government itself is not the problem, kikes and niggers are.

This as well.

At least a temporary semi-isolationist policy with strong pushes for nationalism to spur job creation and boost the economy

Where have the traditionalist gone to?
Where have the conservatives gone to?
Where have the libertarians gone to?
Where have the technocrats gone to?
for that matter
Where have the centrists gone to?

I miss debates on here, it's just an endless and ebbless stream of cancerous posting now. Pol is just polemics, these days, or shall we call it polememes.

Flags ruined anonymity. Arguments are no longer the only thing open to attack.

The post timer is barely existent, this biases in favour of low effort shitposts.

Large influx of newfags as a result of the US elections.

Sup Forums harbour making a lot of the more serious posters leave.

>Where have the traditionalist gone to?
>Where have the conservatives gone to?
>Where have the libertarians gone to?
>Where have the technocrats gone to?
>for that matter
>Where have the centrists gone to?
>I miss debates on here

These threads whining about minority political affiliation status happen daily almost every hour.

The grievance of "pol is so horrible because X" threads happen every day.

The "we never debate anymore" debate thread is one you're in right now.

>many of us still are lefties
Not politically. I am for equal rights but no special snowflake shit or "I identify as an oompa loompa". The neo feminists, and basically the modern liberals are almost all retarded and want more and more shit while telling people who don't agree with them to shut up and change or else.

I am in between classical Liberal and Libertarian on the archaic spectrum but I hate the SJWs and Progressives of today. I'd choose nationalism any day of the week

>Sup Forums harbour making a lot of the more serious posters leave.

Insufferable twats that don't understand Sup Forums left for cripplechan and immediately split the board so they could have their own echo chambers.

And then they come here and argue /leftypol/ should exist.

Fucking slack jawed faggots.

I pretty much agree with that, but I called myself a lefty liberal before this SJW takeover happened and I'll continue to do so just to spite them.

They WANT you to be an "alt-right" (term they made up) so they can dismiss you. Failure to coooperate with the alt-right/nazi/racist/conservative branding hurts them more, so I enjoy it more.

>Large influx of newfags as a result of the US elections.

I think this broke the dam, and flags more or less lead to Sup Forumsrash to bleed into here.

>The "we never debate anymore" debate thread is one you're in right now.
Do we? Or shall we parry to make show for the old days?

I'm Traditionalist-nationalist (not NatSoc)
We're still here, we're just less vocal.
Or, everyone else has moved to /news/

Even Comrade Bernie would be 1000x better than Shillary. At least Bernie would have been incompetent enough to not accomplish anything before he died in office.

Shillary is just terrifying though. Someone with all the bad connections and the moral bankruptcy to do whatever they tell her to do.

>all those RN DDs that may be yet to come
This makes my WoWS boner hard

It's called growing up my friend.
Not our fault you're addicted to being a cuck.
>Sweden
>I'm still a lefty, I post cuck porn and I hate Nazi's
Goddamnit Sweden, I don't even think you're joking here.

No one is being paid to shill for Hillary.

Government is a source of power and it's human nature, fueled by greed and desire, to hold power. Government will always be corrupted in some manner, and this corruption will increase as the power and scope of government increases. Would things be better if we got rid of the kikes and niggers? Yes, but even if we got rid of them all, that doesn't mean there won't be thousands of sociopathic shitheads looking to corrupt the system at any given moment. You need something to enforce law and protect the state, but Libertarians realize this. It's the stubborn AnCaps who fail to realize that utopian politics are overly simplified in a complex world.

People love this idea of government helping the downtrodden, because it pushes the responsibility off of themselves. How many socialists volunteer and help the poor themselves? None, because they're a bunch of fuckheads who all believe that THEY're the victim. Government is just an institution of humans; if you really want to help the world, voting for a larger government does fuck all. Getting off of your fucking ass and doing something is the only thing that does help.

>OP
>Newfag who thinks this board was ever Libertarian

You know, because Le Windmill of Friendship and Tolerance is obviously a Libertarian symbol.

>b-but muh Ron Paul!!111

Most of those quotes have always been Sup Forums.

alt-right is just edgelord conservatives. most are young and poorly educated. they havent lived in a world where their ideals have had power and led to ruin.

I most people can agree that the left is getting out of hand with SJW shit, but going full alt-right is just straight retarded. Hell, even a lot of liberals are rejecting this SJW crap. Trump is a fucking idiot and his vague policies dont make any sense.

FPBP

This question also gets asked like 5 times a day on this board.

>Alt-Right
>a party

It's just sort of a catch-all term for the American right wing that is anti-neoconservatism. That's it.

Was never a libertarian or an-cap. Always seen free market cuckoldry as degenerate.

Read more Evola and de Benoist boys.

Red pills were taken.
People also realized nationalist collectivism isn't that bad, in fact it's what makes life worthwhile.

You make litterally 0 sense

It's funny, I am in with the Webbnation grassroots group here and they know I am a Sup Forumstard (and they don't mind generally) but they were surprised to find out where I am on the spectrum, pretty funny stuff.

I think we can all agree that the board has been a lot comfier since we drove all those faggot lolbertarians out.

>most are young and poorly educated.

Sup Forums is poorly educated? Doesn't seem to hold water.

"Alt-right" is a stupid umbrella term the media slapped onto new republican voters.

They claim right-libertarianism, fascism, anarcho-capitalism, etc all fall under the umbrella of "alt-right."

there are tons of libertarians for Trump.
Unless your a faggot there shouldn't be any borders all races are the same libertarian.

She won't win though, the Bernie people hate her just as much as they hate Trump.

For Trump people they need the Bernouts to vote for Trump, for the Libertarians like myself we just need them to look at Johnson or Peterson for 2 minutes

>I think the government should control what I can and cannot buy
Hope those chains don't rest too heavy, slave.

They have their part to play in the ecosystem. You'll find no greater free speech advocate than them, and that's central to all of this.

>People also realized nationalist collectivism isn't that bad, in fact it's what makes life worthwhile.

Exactly. The lolbertarian world of open borders and faceless consumers is just as soulless and materialist as any Marxist subversion.

have you fucking read anything here? its all retarded memes, mental gymnastics, name-calling and conspiracy theories. this board is fucking neckbeards living in mom's basement who have little interaction with the real world, hence why they dont understand how toxic their viewpoints are

Lurk more.

>They claim right-libertarianism, fascism, anarcho-capitalism, etc all fall under the umbrella of "alt-right."

It does, because "alt-right" is just Sup Forums by another name and they don't want to look like idiots referring to a Cantonese fly fishing website with a straight face on the news.

>have you fucking read anything here? its all retarded memes, mental gymnastics, name-calling and conspiracy theories

Do you even browse here? If you're too dumb to filter shit threads just go back to where your high horse came from.

>most are young and poorly educated
Yeah m8, if we just let niggers take over everything they'll suddenly become model citizens for some reason.
My ideals of having a homogeneous white society with gender roles have lead to only prosperity.
Whereas multiculturalism has only lead to everything going to shit.
>b-but muh MLK, segregation is dah worst evil

But I do...

For limited government, but want nationalism (for country not love of govt) I am also okay with people being socially progressive just not the retarded levels that we have today. (For eqaul rights essentially but not retarded nigger gets a scholarship for being a nigger bullshit).

Not the state, the volk. Although I have absolutely no problem with limits on degeneracy. The good of the people comes before profit.

The majority of white men that use this board feel as if they are constantly under attack by the media and academia. They're told regularly that they inherently possess societal privilege due to the fact that they are male and white. They did not know how to react to it, so this their counterculture, I guess.

I still think it's dumb to personality identify yourself as someone in the "alt-right" instead of libertarian, an-cap, etc. Claiming your alt-right just allows dumb figureheads like Milo to speak and think for you.

Well then, if you're the big shot here why don't you try diving right in. Systematically de-construct those toxic viewpoints piece by piece.

Blow us the fuck out. Should be easy right?

Still here, fucking up your echo chamber.
I know too many that are going to actually waste their vote by writing Bernout in. How can we convince them to vote for Johnson?
Aye. We might be idealistic but we don't think maximal individual rights are too idealistic. And something something defend you to the death to say it.
You've got it all wrong. Open borders cannot happen until the welfare/nanny state gets torn down, so I'm afraid GB is completely fucked.

>Claiming YOU'RE

Damn fermented Jew is causing me to make grammatical errors...

if you are somewhere where you need to filter out the shit, its probably a shit place. IDGAF if theres some smart posts, they are vastly outweighed by the number of shit posts, thus making this board a retarded cesspool

white people are finally losing their privilege

There is no such thing as the "alt-right". I'm a libertarian that doesn't like to be politically correct so people would call me "alt-right" but my political philosophy is libertarianism. "alt right" is not a political affiliation, it's a strawman.

You could make a picture of influential Jews for every political ideology. I know you're trying to appeal to people's bias, but this shit is dumb as hell.

Libertarians don't have to believe in open borders. In fact, most American Libertarians are Paleolibertarians, who believe that there should be enforced borders, nations, etc. Libertarian =/= AnCap and I wish you retards who stop spreading that lie.

>there shouldn't be any borders all races are the same libertarian.
I am not sure I read/understood that correctly

Pol is Alt-right by definition

This is one of the better trolls I've seen in recent years

Sup Forums grew up.

>alt-right is just edgelord conservative

No, but the reason the left loves the term is that they get to make up definitions, like usual.

> most are young and poorly educated

I'm 30 with a university degree and a job, I call myself lefty but the new left calls me alt-right, and many more with me.

>they havent lived in a world where their ideals have had power and led to ruin.

Wait, your sell here is that if you're dissatisfied with other ideologies being shit, you're shit for wanting something other than the choices you already got, that you readily admit suck.

Brave gambit, if not for the utter absurdity. Why do you even get out of bed in the morning?

>let's open our borders and keep the democracy so anyone flooding in can control the power
>what could go wrong?
Libertarians are some of the most short sighted people that ever existed.
>all the arguments are stupid
>toxic
I have a hard time believing a person that uses a word like "toxic" well ever make a coherent argument.
But hey, what's your idea about racial inequality evidence?

>if you are somewhere where you need to filter out the shit, its probably a shit place. IDGAF if theres some smart posts

See, having shit posts keep pretentious twats like you out.

Australians are doing their part.

Would you like to know more?

>echo chamber
That's why it was great that we drove you out. Trump isn't even shilled to the degree you fags did with the Pauls and Johnson. So, you're fine being the minority and general laughingstock to keep this from turning into an authoritarian echo chamber. Just remember muh roads.

>How can we convince them to vote for Johnson?
Show them the facts, that if they vote in Bernie he'll lose and Hillary or Trump will win. 45% of Americans identify as independent now and Johnson was already polling at 11% a few months back. So in order to make sure Trump and Hillary lose they need to vote libertarian.

Their fears should do the rest

Sure. If I identify with anything it's Sup Forums, and even that's more like a club of somewhat like minded individuals than an actual cohesive ideology.

If someone wants to call me "alt-right" though I'm not going to moan too hard.

>Open borders cannot happen
They cannot happen in general.
If you have a government they'll vote your libertariantopia away to take your money.
If you don't have one they'll just take your shit.

Any ideology without nationalism is just self destructive nonsense.

The paleos and cosmopolitans reconfirmed their hatred for each other and so Sup Forums just became meme warfare.

Sup Forums actually has never been aligned with a specific wing. Sup Forums's always just jumped between sides that were advocating for free speech.

Years ago, Sup Forums and Sup Forums in general was a lot more left-wing and less right-wing mostly because at the time the right-wing was advocating censoring violent and sexual things in media to protect traditional values. However as the left-wing grew more authoritarian and the right-wing grew a lot less authoritarian, Sup Forums shifted right-wing because right-wing this decade is about defending freedoms whereas the leftw left-wing is now about censoring things because of feelings. Sup Forums's always catered to those who believe in free speech and freedom of expression regardless of how offensive it is.