>Much like his music & lyrics, Toledo’s public persona exists in between dull platitudes and esoteric name-dropping. This consistent lack of personality might actually be the most sincere thing about him & his band.
I agree with basically the entirety of this article but >Teen Suicide calling out anybody else for making boring uninspired indie schlock hohohohohohoho at least he basically admits he's writing it for attention
Nolan Ross
I still don't understand why Matador bothered to sign him when he has all the personality of a cardboard box and makes substanceless music.
Artists worth investing in are usually about something and have a character or gimmick to them. He doesn't seem to have anything other than a small tumblr following that they jumped on without thinking.
Joshua Torres
>If Mac Demarco is the “Family Guy” of contemporary guitar rock, Car Seat Headrest is “The Cleveland Show”.
God damn, that's such a good and accurate line.
Will, since we all know you're here, what do you have to say for yourself?
Landon Nelson
>Will, since we all know you're here, what do you have to say for yourself? Will's too chicken to say anything, he won't even admit to browsing this board.
Ryder Ortiz
>I still don't understand why Matador bothered to sign him when he has all the personality of a cardboard box and makes substanceless music.
He already had an established fanbase so taking him on board ensures they will make $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
>"b-but muh indie label doesn't care about the $$$$" lol
Sebastian Sanchez
Is Teen Suicide/Sam Ray popular on Sup Forums? Been a fan of Ricky Eat Acid for years
Noah Hernandez
I don't blame him for that desu. Remember how Marcel tried to ruin Devin from Diiv's career by showing his posts here to the press all because he wouldn't do an interview with him?
Camden Young
if you mean has sam ray shilled himself on Sup Forums for years then sure.
Jacob Morales
for some reason I always confused him with the guy behind Elvis Depressedly
Oliver Cox
That was pretty fucking dumb of devin though, I don't see how he didn't have it coming
James Garcia
He's completely right
Samuel Scott
>Remember how Marcel tried to ruin Devin from Diiv's career by showing his posts here to the press all because he wouldn't do an interview with him? That's because Devin was an idiot and used a trip, and Marcel is a little weasel.
>He already had an established fanbase so taking him on board ensures they will make $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Yeah, but there's nothing beyond his fanbase there, he's not someone you could come up with a good PR campaign for, and he even cost them $$$$$$ over that stupid sampling debacle.
Logan Hall
Is Teen Suicide the Steven Universe then?
Lucas Morgan
tbf he was tripfag on /vg/ and nobody care Sup Forums is just the worst board
Leo Johnson
lol pathetic cringy white sad boy music fight XD. both of them are pretty pathetic but this is a real low. everything he criticized will for he could be criticized for himself. its just sad.
Jose Diaz
>because he wouldn't do an interview with him? Why are music journos such petty vindictive slimeballs? I follow a lot of these people and they all act like teenage girls.
Jason Cruz
Indie rock isnt exciting anymore because its filled with sjw losers who use phrases like "punching up" Its castrated, emasculated, has no energy, its made by the upper middle class yuppies to please the music journalist who is also a white upper middle class yuppie that lives in a gentrified neighborhood.
Indie rock is the jeb of music, i said it, you're fucking jeb.
White people need to make something with energy, with angst, with authenticity, something lower class, angry, loud, violent.
Logan Rivera
> I follow a lot of these people and they all act like teenage girls. how else will they pay off their student loans? well marcel did it for fame. but still they make money off exclusives and juicy details.
Jaxson Foster
replace that with white americans. the uk has sleaford mods
Luis Hughes
>Its castrated, emasculated, has no energy, its made by the upper middle class yuppies to please the music journalist who is also a white upper middle class yuppie that lives in a gentrified neighborhood. >Indie rock is the jeb of music, i said it, you're fucking jeb.
Yes, and this is honestly why I never liked it, it's not rock music, it's church music.
Elijah Bennett
theyre all interchangeable
Oliver Lewis
Like you need some angry lower class dude from middle america, these people dont fucking care about your pretentious shoegaze jangle pop bandcamp band, they want to yell, get angry, forget about how shit their lives are.
These guys are just boring petit bourgeois making bland and pretentious music for thier twitter friends and spouting the trendy sjw identity politics of the day.
Would any of these fucker take up for class issues?
You know the shit that actually matters, like people living paycheck to paycheck in a one room apartment, seeing their material conditions slowly decay.
We need a grunge, we need a britpop, some lowerclass lad who is going to smack the shit out of people like this. These people who only make bland repetitive music about how depressed they are.
Brayden Cruz
literally who the fuck is teen suicide?
Daniel Young
cosign. (the new idles record was siq.)
Gavin Jackson
this song from pulp from the 90's speaks to me more than any of these faggots, it tells me, yeah we are misfits, yeah lifes shit, yeah, we are poor, but we are going to beat these fuckers
All of these indie fuckers, they just make the same bland music that sounds like you are a pussy trying to crawl back into your mothers womb, thats what shoegaze to me, thats what indie is.
We need fight music, we need hope music. thats what we need right now. something with some fucking energy that isnt self indulgent
Jose Hughes
Will or Sam?
Jacob Davis
>(((medium))) k
Eli Williams
>some pretentious twat dislikes another pretentious twat Amazing.
Asher Gutierrez
Replace "we" with "I"
Oliver Diaz
yeah this is good.
carseat headrest sounds like the world-weary-but-unquestioning-yuppie-cynicism of the national, but regurgitated by kids too green to have such a point of view.
but im probably fastening on the dudes voice.
Chase James
it's another "modern journalism piece" written by a bandcamp musician jealous of another bancamp musician episode
>taking the opinion of someone who named their band teen suicide seriously guys please refrain from posting if you're under 18
Xavier Harris
>phone poster >dg meme
you're 14
Jaxson Howard
No, as a whole indie rock has become self indulgent, made by soft rich boys, nothing but lyrics about being a depressed faggot. Sound wise as i said, like wanting to crawl back in your mothers womb.
I think society as a whole could do with something positive, loud, energetic, angry, positive, lower class, we have been in this yuppie stagnation of guitar music for too long.
Daniel Butler
Will Toledo > Years of work, Multiple albums revered by fans and critics, lots of recognition, signed to worthwhile label, friendly guy generally
Sam Ray > Years of work, Multiple ambient albums that never took off (Ricky Eat Acid), Indie rock band that nobody cares for, little recognition outside of underground, apparently a dick just tearing down people more successful than him also > dating Kitty
Feels bad don't it Sam. It's fun to be a dick for no reason ain't it.
Ayden James
absolutely fucking rekt
Ryder Ward
desu both
Christian Barnes
Dunno why Sam gets to talk to be honest, his music is way worse than Car Seat Headrest's
Dominic Reed
Most of the criticism I've seen about Car Seat Headrest is really just people who don't like Will Toledo. Sure he's a cunt and he shit talks musicians, but who cares. His shit talking it pretty entertaining and indie rock could use a few beefs. Everyone is so afraid of upsetting one another, but internet beef is entertaining.
Jaxson Roberts
links? who was he shitting on?
Anthony Phillips
bump
Sebastian Gonzalez
Sam Ray is a fucking moron
Even the way he writes infuriates me
Ryder Sullivan
Never hear about them on here
Jackson Rogers
When has Toledo ever shit talked other artists??
Julian Gomez
this genuinely upsets me though because Will is a way better songwriter... sam is literally just a jealous little pussy. Stop talking shit and actually write something as good as Twin Fantasy.
>“I wish Carrie & Lowell felt less like a sucessful exercise in generating ‘Sadness’ and more like a collection of songs that the artist cared about writing.”
>Toledo apologized to Stevens. The post begins with the line, “God fucking damn it, I’m becoming the next Father John Misty, aren’t I?”
Isaiah Gonzalez
I guess that's pretty dumb
Michael Morales
he was right about Carrie and Lowell tho
Michael Gonzalez
Sam is a better songwriter though and has infinitely more varied projects that Toledo. Teen suicide is and always was better than cardboard headrest
Jaxon Gonzalez
I love C&L, but this is pretty funny. People should publicly shit talk more often.
Asher Ramirez
hi Sam!
James Gray
both suck ass alex g and outer limit recordings shit on both of them
Damn, I had no idea Sam Ray was dating Kitty Pryde. pretty fucking hilarious article, even though I disagree. Teens of Denial was meh but Twin Fantasy is a fucking classic