"If God is all-powerful, He cannot be all good."

>"If God is all-powerful, He cannot be all good."

Why?

bc evil exists u dummy

Because there is evil

>Do you know the biggest guy in America, senator?
What did he mean by this?

Because of all the evil in the world

So you admit that you didn't understand this movie?

How Marvel deals with the subject of God:
>"There's only one god Ma'am, and he doesn't dress like that"
>Laugh track

obviously it just means satan is all powerful too

>"Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding."
What did Luthor mean by this?

It means two things. It references the noise that Motherboxes make and when a bell is rung in a large household to signfy dinner being ready

Efficiently saying that the Avengers aren't to be viewed as gods, just like Snyder "tried" to say Superman shouldn't be seen as a god during 3 hours, at the same time he kept comparing Superman to Jesus/God in his retarded allegories, defeating his own attempt

That's right, Marvel did better what Snyder tried to do with a single joke.

Because the epicurean paradox, that's why.

>doesn't read comics
That's fine, just don't feel like you can criticize the material while being ignorant of the source.

Lex is such a genius
I feel like he browses /r/Atheism just like me

damage control holy kek

absolute power corrupts absolutely

Yes, yes, well done, user. Well done, user

However, Cap was talking about Loki when saying that quote

>In many of Earth's monotheistic religions, Yahweh has been viewed as the supreme being, creator of all things, and only god. It is currently unknown what his relationship is to the heads of Earth's other pantheons.

Yahweh reportedly created the first people from the very dust of the earth, but they were often tempted and lead into sin by beings claiming to be Satan, who may or may not be Mephisto, or any number of other Hell-Lords.[citation needed]

In recent years, He appeared incognito amongst several gods in an interfaith council, possibly the first of its kind, to discuss the threat the Celestials posed to the people of Earth.[2]

Recently, Yahweh was revealed as the true source of the Ghost Rider's powers. Each Ghost Rider was a manifestation of Yahweh's divine power meant to combat evil on Earth. This power was stolen by the fallen angel Zadkiel who used it to conquer Heaven and usurp Yahweh's place as the ruler of creation. Eventually, the Ghost Riders were able to stop Zadkiel and Yahweh banished him to Hell for all eternity.[3]

Satan is trapped in Hell and is dealing with Gods dogshit.

he's still a little bitch.

>You have to know the source material to appreciate an adaptation

How to not make movies 101

He has gone mad is imitating the bell of Paul Revere, warning of the coming "red capes". Luthor previously mentioned "red capes" and linked them to beings like Superman, "devils" under the guise of "heroes". After his "baptism" and revelation of the true cosmos, and the monsters that lurked within, he has gone completely insane.

Loki and Thor.

Which is pretty much the same. "They're gods!" "No, that's bullshit."

*How to not make pandering schlock 101
ftfy

>panders to comic book nerds with stuff that leaves the general audience confused
>not pandering schlock

???

Bad things happen. If God were all powerful he could stop all bad things. So if we still have bad things, it means either God isn't all powerful, or that he is choosing to allow bad things to happen. If the latter then arguably he is not all good

Except daddy Thor says that MCU assguardians 'are not gods"

try again

>panders to comic book nerds
Nope. Pandering implies condescension as used in the popular lexicon.

>Snyder "tried" to say Superman shouldn't be seen as a god during 3 hours, at the same time he kept comparing Superman to Jesus/God in his retarded allegories, defeating his own attempt

You failed to understand the theme

this

So...this....is....the...power...of....kino
.....whoa

Evil is a human concept.

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>God is my own personal genie in a bottle or He doesn't exist

Grow up.

Bad things happen because humans are evil and they choose to do evil through their free will instead of following God.

I don't understand this pseudo-intellectual 2deep4u line. The movie as a whole was easy to understand.

On the contrary, he could allow 'bad' things to happen to allow us to develop. A good parent doesn't shelter their children from all the bad in the world- they let them make mistakes and grow. He can be all powerful and all loving.

>Pandering implies condescension
No. It can but in this context it's indulging one group over another

Lmfao. Stay mad christcuck

These will never not make me laugh

>marvel fans level of discourse
hee hee

[citation needed]

Inconsistent triad you muppet.

>pseudo-intellectual 2deep4u
back2reddit

All media indulges one group over another.

I'm not the degenerate who doesn't understand basic Christian theology, why would I be mad?

He's not mad at all, you're projecting

At first I thought Snyder was trying to pain Superman as Jesus

But then the kinoposters told me he was actually trying to say Superman should be viewed as a god

So what is the real theme? Make up your minds

more basic Retardology. Kek

paint*
shouldn't be viewed*

>Superman kills Batman
God is all powerful but not all good.
>Batman kills Superman
God is all good but not all powerful.

>projecting hairless ape social constructs and mannerisms on to a supposed all-powerful creator being of the universe, which is supposed to be "all good/caring"

>god gave mankind the ultimate gift of free will
>then gives them the ultimate gift secondfold by placing the fruit of sin back on the tree
>but its gods fault man still chooses evil

Dumbass

>Batman beats Superman but spares him
Power and goodness are a matter of context, and God is a just a desperate concept we invented to contextualize our own ephemeral existance.

>hairless
shitlord

As far as I know BvS means:

>God cannot be all powerful and all good or else evil wouldn't exist.
>Evil exists still, therefore superman is not both of these qualities
>Therefore superman is not all powerful, but all good
>Stop seeing superman as god.

But this is still pretty retarded because then why the fuck would you have such a vendetta against him? He's literally done nothing, and only recently been present in the public.

This is further muddled by the objective camera views of his actions. If the camera direction consistently associated the religious iconography with the views of OTHERS rather than as an objective view of his actions, it would be easier to comprehend.

e.g. when superman carries the ship like a cross or any number of other moments. If you want to heighten the subjectivity or the flawed-ness of superman being seen as a god then they should have directed things differently.

good and evil

they are just words

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Absolute vodka corrupts absolutely!

>"Why doesn't God violate the laws of physics He created to stop children from drowning?"

If God had to intervene every time something "bad" were about to happen, it would make the point of having universal laws completely pointless.

>Superman defeats Batman but spares him

What then?

>Evans24
i'm looking forward to the other 23

That statement is wrong though. God is all-powerful and he is all good. He means the evil, he means for you to suffer, so you can grow stronger, so you can be a better soul.

God is just the universe's greatest psychopath

Yeah, the kinoposters are right

The idea of the Christian symbolism theme is that we shouldn't view him as God, even though it's very easy to. The reason he keeps bashing the audience over the head with the Christ motif is to make them see him as a God, because truly he is God-like, and to have the audience understand how easy it is to do so (the adoring people he saves almost worshipping him, the Superman "soldiers" in Batman's vision, etc) while conflicting it by showing us the humanity of Superman- that this impossible being from the sky who holds life in one hand and death in the other is far from perfect, and has to live with the agonising decision of what he is going to be

Without God, there is no definition of good other than an arbitrary one.

Evil is the absence of Good.

How can we say what is good or bad if we live in a universe without meaning?

Martha Kent dies.

Better not piss him off then, right?

>words

Explain the millions of soldiers that suffered from mental breakdown and illness after they had killed people in wars? Why does killing a human being truly haunts someone if there is no good or evil?

>If God had to intervene every time something "bad" were about to happen, it would make the point of having universal laws completely pointless.
Irrelevant. This still means he's not all good.

Solid gold m8

Why didn't she die when neither one was killed by the other?

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Why not just make everyone good and send them all to heaven immediantly?
>herp brainwashed, you wouldn't want to be like that
But if god can do anything as stated, then he can make people happy without it being slavery. It's not as if you would know evil doesn't exist, how could you? It would be like living in the matrix, only the bad reality wouldn't exist as god wouldn't allow it. Why does everyone argue "free will" when this version of free will allows people to be pyschopaths and make others unhappy?

Superman cant defeat Batman. Just like God cant defeat man. Free will is supreme.

I think Lex thought they were still fighting?
I forget, haven't seen it in a while.

Why wouldn't he just make you better from the start?

>Without God, there is no definition of good other than an arbitrary one.
>Evil is the absence of Good.
>How can we say what is good or bad if we live in a universe without meaning?
Wrong.

Good is something that helps other people, evil is something that hurts other people.
Sometimes you have both, sometimes neither, sometimes you get into complicated shit like you help someone hurt someone (+ -, therefore evil), but that's basically it.

It's a human concept, not a universal law. We're social animals.

Then Martha wouldn't die if Superman defeated and spared Batman

But what would be the "philosofical" aspect of it?

Superman isnt God though.

God is the source of all creation.

Luthor wishes to have power over others and therefore despises God since there is no way he could approach him.

Humans sought to become like God and therefore brought evil into the world. The snake told Eve "Eat of this tree and you will become like Gods". Therefore man was made seperate from God since all that is seperate from the source of being itself dies.

All that man touches turns to dust.

>God cannot defeat man

It's adorable that you believe this. Do you think you'd be able to raise your little finger if God didn't want you to?

>Good is something that helps other people, evil is something that hurts other people.

You should have learned this isnt true back on the preschool playground

You can't. Nothing has an intrinsic meaning beyond that which you assign it. Why does it matter?

More like women fucked everything up baka.

Because he'd allow bad things to happen to good people

>"Have Free Will, my ultimate gift to you. If you heed my words and live a righteous life, you will live forever as intended in the paradise of Heaven"
>"Oh yeah and if you make poor life choices I'm going to torture your soul for eternity"
>"Oh, and I already know which will happen because I'm omniscient. Have fun."

It that which created us not Good or should he serve us in any way we desire so that we can call him good?

There is a definition of good which transcends the selfish instinct you describe.

I don't know the point of all this. I believe He is trying to prove something, though I can't imagine why.

Let's start with some axioms.
>God is all-powerful
This means he can do whatever he wants. You cannot have an exception to this as then he wouldn't be all-powerful

Therefore he can create a universe in which evil does not exist but you still grow stronger and become a better soul. He simply chose not to.

Conclusion: God is not all good.

We are not animals, we have consciousness. We have the divine spark, something which animals lack.

You can CHOOSE to go to Heaven or Hell.

God cant stop you

He really can't m8. The only way for God to defeat us is by breaking his own rule of free will. The stupid moron drew himself into a corner the moment he gave us free will.

that doesn't make sense and you know it. there's nothing making you grow stronger and "get a better soul" by letting insects who burrow into your eyes exist. he's not letting rapist murderers torture little boys and then sending the body parts to their parents just so they can know gods infinite mercy and love.
it's just things exist that suck and even IF your god existed I would kick him in the balls

If you do not seek the ways of God, why should he give you that which you deny?

God cannot be held accountable for any injustice in this world. Life is not eternal, whatever you suffer through is nothing compared to the eternity of the afterlife.

How the fuck does free will prevent God from defeating us? All he has to do is make every human on earth sterile and wait until we're extinct.

>>"Oh yeah and if you make poor life choices I'm going to torture your soul for eternity"
Papist nonsense there is no hell or satin.
>>"Oh, and I already know which will happen because I'm omniscient. Have fun."
God is beyond our current comprehension, no other way to put it.
>frogposter
I should have known better then to reply

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I YAHUVEH do all these things

Wrong. Existence can nott be possible with duality not existing. There can exist no life without death, no right without wrong, no tall without short, no white without black, no night without day, and so on.

Do you even Tao Te King, bro?

As an atheist playing Doubles Avocado, I'll see your axiom and raise you a
"If God is all-powerful and can do whatever he wants, he can be all Good and have Evil exist at the same time"

Becuase that is some deep shit you wouldn't understand lad

PHYLOSOPHEE

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because absolute power corrupts absolutely

holy fuck these lines are gay