They are actually the best in all of the arts, try picking up a book
Benjamin Williams
Here's my theory: 7th is op. 92 8th is op. 93 None of his other symphonies are back-to-back like that. except for 5 - op. 67 6 - op. 68 but we all know 6 sucks following this line of inquiry it can only mean the 8th is superior to all other classical music ever written. except bach toccata and fugue in d min
Dylan Morris
literally wut
David Scott
lol.
So, this extends to other forms where He wrote them back-to-back? Also, aren't the Op. # just related to the published date and not written date.
Jason Myers
where is there a white kanye west? all your favorites are dead lol now you just copy us. blues, jazz, hip hop, rnb, rock. wouldn't be surprised if you took classical from us too, at least the rythym
Aiden Bell
>but we all know 6 sucks faggot
Robert Evans
>all your favorites are dead lol Quite a few of my favorites are alive, monkey. talk about your pop music literally anywhere else on Sup Forums. This thread is for classical music.
Jordan Clark
I'm just being an autistic loser, don't mind me. I am listening to 8 right now, first movement. I am trying to see what other anons keep talking about. I think it will require many listens and me not being a dumb autist. Why couldn't I be some savant? Oh well. What do you /classical/ anons love about 8, if you love it?
Camden Reyes
>replying to obvious b8
Jordan Martin
Set to the same key as the Pastoral Symphony, the eighth resided on a modest scale of permutations of its rhythms and melodic styles. This was more a controlled tornado than mood of light-hearted cheer.
The opening allegro contained two gentle themes. Modulating unexpectedly before fading unresolved, the second theme suggested an inclination towards joy and its interruption by more sobering thoughts. The recapitulation removed the soft middle bars of the opening theme, emphasising the dramatic climax of the crescendo.
Slow and playful, the andante reversed the roles of the instrumental sections. The wind instruments accompanied, with pianissimo 16th notes, the arco dialogue between the violins and basses. Silence broke the symmetry of the main string theme, exposing the fluttering chord of the wind and horn sections. The coda unravelled the metronomic time by having the entire orchestra play its motif of rapid 64th notes.
The obsolete structure of the minuet replaces the scherzo, albeit preserving the thumping rhythm, so connecting, stylistically, this piece to the preceding movements.
The frenetic finale combined the forms of the sonata and rondo, returning to its opening theme before the introduction of new material. A two part diatonic progression moved against itself, building to an enormous crescendo and conclusion. Again the coda served as a substantial element - first, by interrupting the main theme with a dissonant C-Sharp; and second, explaining this dissonance by ending with modulated fragments of the main theme, ending on F-Sharp Minor before a final modulation to the tonic.
Evan Adams
Nice write-up user. I wish the piece was longer. It feels like the shortest of his symphonies.
Thanks. From memory, my recording of the Karajan is the shortest of His nine.
An user from a previous thread mentioned how Debussy returned, near the end of his life, to the earlier forms that he had strayed from. The Eighth reminds me of that, Beethoven demonstrating his ability within the form as it was commonly understood yet managing to twist it to his will.
Anthony Adams
Just finished re-listening to the Karajan recording. This feels slothful by comparison.
Ian Harris
>This feels slothful by comparison. Really, now?
Bentley White
new mendelssohn links in the second mega archive
reminder he's everything your favorite composer wished to be
Evan Ward
Hate to break it to you user, but that is not a real orchestra playing. Its sequenced. VSL is not a real orchestra, its a sample library.
Alexander Hill
Uh, yeah. That's pretty obvious.
Juan Carter
>people responding seriously to cobraposting I guess we got some fresh blood in here.
Connor Jones
Oh good, you were only pretending to be retarded.
Nolan Cook
Why wouldn't people respond seriously to the greatest conductor of the 21st century?
Please don't ever let this man touch Wagner. It would be 12 hours long for a single opera.
Jason Ward
lol Karajan is only 9:22 for the first movement. Is all of his stuff so slow?
Nolan Jones
What are some essential pieces?
Nathan Edwards
>Bruckner >Beethoven >9th Symphony Who did it better? And why is it Bruckner?
Nicholas Phillips
For starters,
A Midsummer Night's Dream, Op. 61 Symphony No. 3 in A minor, Op. 56 String Quartet No. 6 in F minor, Op. 80 Piano Trio No. 2 in C minor, Op. 66 Violin Concerto in E minor, Op. 64
Jackson Howard
Cool. Thank you.
String quartets have always been my favorite so I will start there.
Jose Wood
Great, that one I mentioned is particularly personal as it was written on the mourning of the death of his younger sister and best friend, Fanny, he himself also died shortly after.
What does the thing i circled to the right mean? Trying to learn he goldberg variations on piano and keep seeing this. It's some sort of trill sound but it seems like it means different things in different contexts...
If bows are synchronized hidden, unexpected rhythms may pop up, mainly when the bowing's direction is inversed. By not synchronizing them you get a uniform drone.
Colton Long
>tfw Ravel wrote only one Toccata >tfw post-WWII did not use Ravel's music as the model for academia >tfw they picked Webern's music instead
The Toccata sounds something that could have been composed 1000 years from now.
Charles Cruz
>Cobra advertised this performance with a 1hour long documentary >tfw he actualky tried to be artsy on this shit
How do you guys think he feels now? I'm pretty sure he expected people to hail him as a genius, instead he became one of the biggest jokes in the classical world. Had you been him, would you have killed yourself, user? I'm sure I would.
Connor Cruz
>not listening to Monteverdi during your every waking moment
I don't know what it's reqlly happening woth Lang Lang? Does he care only about the money? Is he that devoid of artistic sensibility and good taste? Is the Chinese government forcing him to whore himself up? Has Lang Lang EVER loved music?
Austin Barnes
>The Toccata sounds something that could have been composed 1000 years from now. I know that feel, especially when I listen to the Perlemuter's record (it's on Spotify). It's something I would listen to while gazing at galaxies on my spaceship, while drowning in a cosmic melancholia that simply cannot be understood by people like us.
Blake Roberts
>tfw you can't airconduct while listening to music live from the gallery
What's the point then? The sound is not that better and I still have to be surrounded by people.
Ethan Stewart
How do you guys feel about learning theory on a shitty midi keyboard?
Jace Bell
Fine while learning how every good boy deserves food etc. and by the time you see a ledger line you'll know if you want to buy a bigger keyboard or quit.
Alexander Wood
petzold
Gavin Campbell
>47 minutes for one movement Now this is shitposting
Carson Hill
>not realising all of those genres are based on a system almost entirely invented by white people.
its fucking painful to imagine someone hunched over a computer for hours trying to sync scrolling bars on TWO scores with all the rubato in this piece. Painful and beautiful
Isaac Cox
>but we all know 6 sucks no
Robert Phillips
Is this from Le tombeau de Couperin?
Did anyone just pick Webern's music? I've listened to conversations between Feldman and Cage where they've spoke about how great Varese is, comparing him to Webern.
Hudson Mitchell
what the fuck are you on about
also
>but we all know 6 sucks
you're retarded
Robert Richardson
that's disgusting
Aiden Young
Karajan does like to go pretty fast. I remember his 2nd movement of Beethoven's 9th is faster than any I've heard
Aaron Parker
Zappa like Varese a lot too
Cooper Jones
Redpill me on conductors /classical/ do they actually do anything or are they just a meme? thoughts on conductor-less orchestras?
Connor Mitchell
>Karajan does like to go pretty fast he's generally on the average side, actually
Listen to both of these and ask again if conductors matter
Tyler Hill
You couldn't have chosen a shorter piece to make your point?
Hunter Taylor
You don't need to listen to the whole thing to notice the difference. If you just listen to even the beginning of the second movement you'll notice very distinct differences.
That being said here are different examples. It's another long piece I know but I timestamped them so as to not waste anymore of your time.
I didn't mean that to come across as rude. Not the guy who asked anyway.
Jayden Cox
Oh you're good mate I was just memeing anyway
John Wood
Okay if you have literally nothing else.
Jaxson Campbell
Conductor-less orchestras are a meme.
Brody Cooper
Karajan > Bernstein
Blake Ortiz
Petzold
Jack Jackson
t. person who probably thinks mozart was black
Austin Campbell
Other than Sibelius, why are they so devoid of talent?
Leo Wright
they have grieg too
Nathaniel Adams
The Food analogy is the best.
The Score is like the recipe. The instruments are like the ingredients. The Conductor is the chef who puts everything together in the right way and make sure it actually tastes good.
In small ensembles like string quartets you will still have 1 person taking on the conductor role - or perhaps everyone will give input, but they won't just blindly play the music in front of them, they will try to make sure it sounds good and that everyone is together and the dynamics are well balanced.
John Mitchell
What are people's opinions of Schoenberg's Op. 26 - Wind Quintet?
Adrian Howard
petzold
Austin Price
fuckin sick
Cooper Scott
Most of Sibelius's music is mediocre too. However, Grieg wrote lots of decent music, especially for piano, beyond his most commonly known pieces.
Isaac Foster
>do they actually do anything or are they just a meme? No. The orchestra already knows how to play it so the conductor just stands there and doesnt make a youtube.com/watch?v=DRRclttgS1g oh uh I nevermind fuck.
>they will try to make sure it sounds good and that everyone is together and the dynamics are well balanced. I've never played any instrument or anything so bare with me, but doesn't whoever composed any particular piece have the exact notes and techniques used to play it written down? I mean did say Beethoven have sheet music for his 9th symphony written out exactly as it is meant to be played?
