"I gave you free will so you can do whatever you want lmao"

>"I gave you free will so you can do whatever you want lmao"
>"but you still have to do as I please otherwise you'll end up in hell xD"
Why do Christians believe this nonsense again?

Free will is illogical anyway.

yes. if causality exists then freedom doesn't exist

>but you still have to do as I please otherwise you'll end up in hell
that's just a suggestion. they should have wrote: "but if you do shit, you will live like shit and make everyone including yourself miserable"
but ancient euros were like kids: they needed some horribly painful punishment threat as a deterrence. pity

Because otherwise no one would give a fuck about him.
Really, imagine that there are millions of psychos walking over there that would have running like the dude from Postal if they didn't believe that some sky fairy would punish them.

freedom of choice =/= freedom from consequences

>here a shit wrapped in chocolate and the chocolate wrapped in shit, make your choice.

>boo hoo, why when i spit upwards it falls on my face? i haeet gravity!

God lets people betray him to make examples of them. There would be no point in life if everyone went to Heaven.

Its pretty easy to comprehend.

It makes sense if you think about religion being a tool of the ruling class. This contradictory nonsense is great for every despot to enforce his whims.

Abrahamic religions are cancerous honestly. Greek/Roman, Celtic, and Norse mythology is waaaaaaaaay better and a heck of a lot more interesting than this basic bitch "hurrrr forgive or I'll send you to hell" rubbish. Jesus is such a wimpy and boring god.

are you a Calvinist?

saying that religion is evil is like saying that school system is evil
of course every institution is a tool, kids have to be humanized, made one with society before entering it. but:
>This contradictory nonsense is great for every despot to enforce his whims
that's the sad historical reality of it all
i know you heard this a lot but "the fault is not in the gun but who wields it"

I'm American.

>are you a Calvinist
Yeah I love Calvin and Hobbes

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ah cool
in my country we're more into Peanuts but yeah it's cool

Religion is evil because it is based on a lie, even if you use that lie for doing good it is still a lie because you are inherently good person but have been taught it only works through religion it still is and remains a lie.

I just tried three times, it felt behind me.
Fuck you and fuck your lies, thin man.

>you are inherently good person

>inherently a good person
You don't have to be a christian to realize this is bullshit

But you are, m8.
Deep under that layer of fat there is a ball of goodness shining.

I have hardly any fat on my body whatsoever. There might be some goodness in me, but there is also a whole lot of evil

Sorry, sent too early I meant to say that you can be an inherently good person that was brought up doing good things only works in the frame of a religion and even this doesn't make religion good.

Even the most benign religion taught as truth weakens and robs people of their ability to distinguish fact from fiction. This is incredibly dangerous has been scientifically proven with religious and non-religious children.

It's reason why you have fundamentlly religious parents prohibiting their children fantasy like Harry Potter and shit like this because they have been taught these fantastic stories without developing a mechanism to decide whether they are the truth, so the parents fear that they might believe Harry Potter to be true as well.

Dude, inside every thin person there's a fat guy trying to get out.
And you don't have any evil, stop lying to me.

No really, there is a lot of evil there. Honestly, any person is capable of great evil given the right (or wrong) situation. I just don't have much keeping me from not doing the wrong thing

Read The Problem of Pain by CS Lewis. He addresses this thoroughly. Basically, doing good and being a just person only has any merit if the choice to do evil is also present. If we didn't have free will to choose who we were then it would be redundant to have an identity or possess a sense of self-being in the first place. I don't know why a bunch of fags on the internet think they are so enlightened when they have such hollow theological knowledge and a weak grasp of historical philosophic theory. It's very arrogant. There is nothing wrong with admitting you don't have the answers. These a infinitely big questions. They deserve more thought than "hurr jeziz is gey and i cant see him so he doesnt exist". People smarter than me, smarter than you, and smarter than 95% walking Earth right now have already contemplated these issues and came up with wildly different answers. It's best to familiarize yourself with these and then use them contextually. I'm probably wasting my time because this board is just memes and racism.

M8, please.
I know you're a good guy. You even helped that man stuck under debris after Minnesota earthquake.

Haha, you're alright user

god will forgive you for creating this horrible thread.
but don't create more

>I meant to say that you can be an inherently good person that was brought up doing good things only works in the frame of a religion and even this doesn't make religion good
ah
lol at parents forbidding "Harry Potter". they're supposed to be moderators of what their kids are learning. family is an institution after all
but i look at religion differently than you. i can't imagine civilization without religion, whether it was good or bad. it shaped us into existence. there would be no wars, but also no computers and airplanes which were sub-products of war
maybe you can say as an anti-religious that religion now belongs in the museums, and that's all i'd agree with. you can't get rid of religion because all it did and will do is teach people what to believe in. replace it with education, but don't send it to oblivion. it's an important step in our ladder to Wherever

>If we didn't have free will to choose who we were then it would be redundant to have an identity or possess a sense of self-being in the first place
that's very agustinian of him
i prefer the gamer approach: a game that has no difficulty is not a game. every hardship is a lesson to be learned: without hardship we're just a bunch of wimpy toy poodles
>I'm probably wasting my time
that goes without saying. thanks for your contriboot anyway

yeah i guess this belongs in /his/
it's been long since i visited that board, i wonder if /lit/fags still ruin it

>those bags

Appropriate post for an IQ of an Azerbaijani person