How come he won every game in Germany and Spain but can barely string two wins together in England?

How come he won every game in Germany and Spain but can barely string two wins together in England?

How come Conte lost every game in Serie A but was able to dominate English football in his first season?

>cucked by Mönchengladbach while managing Bayern

>every game
Bayern and Barcelona are far better teams than shitty. Just look at their defenders

How come Klopp got humiliated in his last Bundesliga season but is now #2 in the EPLel?

Claudio Ranieri won the eplel m8
Claudio Ranieri
With a relegation side no less
Let that sink in

He doesn't have as talented a squad and his players aren't an ideal match for the type of football he likes to play.

>Winning 3 back to back titles with a club who had only just come back from Serie B
>Paddy logic

This is exactly why I can't stand Pep. If you only have success with teams so stacked that even the janitor can win at least the league&cup with, you are simply not a good manager.

how come mouyes is the best manager in history but isn't even going to make Europe with the biggest club in the world?

how did he nearly get this year's runaway champions relegated last season?

actually you are a good manager then, on these top tier teams you have the most fucked up personalities, the only thing Pep ever did was keep these hotheads together and let them pass the ball sidewards. Coaches like Klopp or Tuchel can't handle players like Messi, Lewa, Ribery, Iniesta

But Ribery had a bad time under Pep and since when are Lewy or Iniesta hotheads? Klopp had Großkreutz you idiot.

because he was just a squad babby, his schtick only works when he has clearly the best players in the league at his disposal

plus the premier league is far, FAR tougher than any other league week in week out, no contest compared to the extremely imbalanced leagues like la liga or bundesliga, or the straight up terrible like serie a or ligue 1

ranieri nearly won it with chelsea too

and where is Großkreutz now?
Answer: in the dumpster

>Klopp can't handle Lewa

>muh the manager is always carried by the squad unless I say so

thank you for your amazingly insightful and original input lmao

>here we go again

tl;dr 4u
>join best squad in spain
>join best squad in germany
>join le arab meme club xDD le money haha xDDD in bongland

yes a bad manager can be carried by a great squad, are you actually disputing this lmao

>plus the premier league is far, FAR tougher than any other league week in week out

The eternal meme

so when exactly does a manager not get carried by his squad? you're saying you can scientifically rate players and then compare the relative strength of squads to see which manager is doing the best with the least? I'm going to need your numbers on this

you cannot just say "everyone knows x squad is/was the best", that's a fallacy. prove it.

even your beloved kloppo and pep have both admitted this, it's a fact

brits desperately need to feel superior about their league so they mask it's uniform shitness by lauding it's unpredictability

>people can't judge clubs squads and see the relative strengths and weakness separate from the manager

it's almost as though many players have had careers separate from a particular manager or club and can be judged by this

but no clearly people can't take a glance at charlie adam and gundogan and decide gundogan is the more talented footballer, actually adam would be just fine under klopp or pep and we can't judge otherwise until this happens

>your beloved kloppo and pep

yes

they said it's tough

not good

He literally won all his first 10 games.

Granted they were against piss teams iirc but he's only recently started the struggle. Don't think he'll win the league but I don't think he's been as exposed as people would like to believe.

i also said 'tougher'

but let's not pretend sides like freiburg, bremen, mainz or ingolstadt would cut it in the premier league

>Klopp and Pep are second and third in our best league in the world and that's why they're shit

inspiring mental gymnastics

you can do this in an objective way that doesn't lead millions of years of autistic quasi debate? Impressive

because Barcelona and Bayern are two of the three best teams of the world, while ManCity is not even in the Top 8?

klopp is a good manager that has created good sides with a bit less than others

your implication that people can't judge squads talent is impressively retarded even for a leaf, but no i'm sure pep would have accrington stanley 2nd in the PL, if given the chance

let's not pretend Bayern or barca wouldn't stomp Sunderland, hull and QPR since they already rape your best teams that advance in the CL

it's not that they can't judge squads it's that there's no consistency in how they rate them

this is fundamental

savage

johnny foreigners desperately need to feel superior about their league so they mask it's uniform shitness by lauding its obscurity and tactical nous

Let's not pretend you're not a fucking leaf

does it trigger you

QPR are in the championship

>leaf
explains it

Always gets me

Bayern and Barca are fantastic sides with great players, but barca have drawn with hercules, malaga and sociedad reecently - they trip up in the league like everyone else and would do in the PL

same goes for bayern, struggling against frankfurt and cologne as example

He's not wrong.

everyone can consistently see that aguero is better than darren bent and that man city have a better squad than sunderland, you're being needlessly obtuse

>sometimes teams that should win don't win
no shit sherlock

>they trip over hercules malaga and sociedad
>but our league is the only one in the world with tough matches every week even against bottom teams

you're going in circles dude

His tactics only work with world class forwards

and they would slip even more in a league that managers who have managed in other leagues accept is tougher

when you put words in my mouth sure, i never said 'only', there is a scale here - the bundesliga is overall tougher than la liga which is tougher than ligue un etc

yeah and I can tell that one apple is bigger than another too but can't start measuring the relative weight of baskets of apples without some sort of consistent measuring process

don't bother. people have to denigrate the premier league because its the most watched league and therefore to them is for normies. their autistic mindset rules that they must watch a league that no one in their social group (or lack of one) would possibly care about in an attempt to feel sophisiticated and patrician above the pl "peasants".

can you draw this scale or just appeal to authority again

If blunderland and the likes can do it...

>Overcrowded schedule != Quality

that wasn't the argument though, was it kraut?

the argument was that pep is failing because he is in a tougher league with a club that isn't head and shoulders above the rest of the pack

or would you like to put further words into my mouth to prove your point?

so you are basically admitting people can judge pretty easily, we can equate the relative weight with the ability the manager then has to get the best out of them - which pep has struggled at, but klopp has done well at

let's ignore what managers say? the ones who actually have experience in these respective leagues?

you're the only one who is bringing up the idea of a scale, but you also clearly accept that you can tell derby's side is weaker than man city's, for some obtuse and unexplained reason you won't accept that this can be done though, how are we even able to judge a manager's impact if we can't discuss and analyse how good their squads are in the first place? what is your end game here, that we can't analyse anything and it's all chance?

Bongy rodents absolutely B T F O into their underground sheds.

I'd like to see him go to a shit team and see if he can turn them around.

They are just spewing the meme back at the reporters, they don't actually believe it.

you're literally trying to argue against a scientific approach to observing something by saying "oh it's not necessary anyone can observe things for themselves" and then backing that up with "see, we can all tell this one apple is bigger than the other"

I have no words

Ath Barca he had probably the best squad ever who could utilise a style of play to perfection before it was figured out.

At Bayern he had the best squad in the league, and teams would give up even before the game started. Players would get sent off the game before they play Bayern so they didn't have to play against them (genuinely happened). He got exposed by better teams in the CL because he can't adopt his tactics. Buyern were worse than all 3 Spanish teams during Pep's stint there and probably still are.

That's all there is to it. He's a stubborn man who can't organise a defence, except at Barca his possession style was his greatest defence, and at Bayern the teams were too scared/shit to expose him.

>genocide fodder calling anyone else rodents

>Ath Barca he had probably the best squad ever who could utilise a style of play to perfection before it was figured out.
>best squad ever that finished 3rd in a two-team league the year before he took over

>teams would give up even before the game started
>the teams were too scared/shit to expose him

>there are people that unironically believe this fully

Why are you speaking, at least you look decent unlike bongrats.

But they have by far the best squad in the league

Allegedly all teams in the PL are shit though so that shouldn't be a problem.

how can one manager create such an infinite mire of fallacy and delusion around him? it's insane how many are obsessed with him

>2 CLs
>3 liga titles
>2 copa del reys
>3 bundesligas
>2 pokals
>a shit ton of mickey mouse trophies
>currently third in the best league in the world in his first year of tenure of an overrated hack squad only his haters rate as the best in the league

and yet there are autists so dedicated to proving he's absolute trash. he's not the GOAT and yes his teams have played a good part of his success (like literally every manager ever) but spending this much time hating him just exposes you for being contemptuous of success

...

bundesligas
pokals
>>a shit ton of mickey mouse trophies
>>currently third in the best league in the world in his first year of tenure of an overrated hack squad only his haters rate as the best in the league

None of this matters, faggot.

ok

Man City have a better squad than Chelsea. People keep saying it's the squad yet he has the best squad in the league.

no they literally don't and you can't quantify it but good argument

So all teams are equal?

Function of resource parity

>with the biggest club in the world?

because he got baited into a meme team

are you an actual retard or just really out of your depth when trying to sound smart

that was a masterstroke of fallacy

but they do

City have zero decent fullbacks and 3 CMs in the entire squad

but can he win a serie a?

Because pep is a low test, low energy manager.

They have better attacking force but the team is much more unbalanced

chelsea won the title 2 years ago with basically the same squad and they added the best player from last years championship team.
so, i don't think citty has the best squad to win the prem.

>Bundesliga plates matter

Okay, Mehmet.

Would love Pep at Roma

also their keeper is a clown

Like he'd come to a club with 100 mil. dollar budget, kekmao.

Calling it now: after 5 years under Pep, Man City still haven't won the league, but finally Conte, Klopp, Wenger, Mourinho, Allardyce all leave the PL to manager their NTs at the World Cup and so Pep is left alone to finally win the league, after which he immediately leaves for Juventus so he can win the league there three seasons in a row before retiring as le greatest manager ever just because he won the league title in four different countries whoa what a guy.

kek

did you fap to this fantasy lmao

>implying wenger wont die at arsenal

Aussies look exactly like Brits....

I'm Dzenan

Of course he can, as long as he's managing Juve

mou has won the league in 4 diff. counties

Idk if he'd ever consider going to germany or france but he's still very young for a manager, and based off what he's publicly said he will manage for many more years. He could end his career winning the league in 5 diff. countries.

Why can Zidane literally never be exposed with the worst Real Madrid squad since late 90s and people still doesn't rate him?

>with the worst Real Madrid squad since late 90s
:^)

EPLEL turns everyone to shit

>worst real since the 90s
yeah sure buddy

>irate sedans

John Stones.

Because spanish and german league are basically regional leagues at this point, coaching the best teams would eventually lead to winning the league and maybe reaching relevant participations in national/international level, like Sao Paulo or Rio de Janeiro

Not saying england is an actual league. They are another regional league tier, just that they aren't from an actual good region, like Brasilia or Alagoas

English plebs are not intelligent enough to understand his tactics.

Jerome Boateng wasn't good enough for Man City and now he's a Bayern legend