Ask someone who is going to trial for failure to comply with a section 49 RIPA notice anything. UK btw

Ask someone who is going to trial for failure to comply with a section 49 RIPA notice anything. UK btw

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What are you under investigation for?

I was under investigation for indecent images of children

Just to note they are not the charges as I stated the charge is actually the RIPA notice

Just say you forgot it.

In that case even the maximum sentence if you are convicted for failing to comply with this law is less than the minimum sentence for child porn. Sounds like you made the smart choice, you psycho.

And what happened?

This is actually a complicated subject. I have provided everything I have to the best of my ability. Really it will come down to if the jury believe me. Thats the truth. So no matter what I say its all down to the jury

.Just think about this for a second, i'm potentially facing prison time for a thought crime.

But the pixels were all more than 18-bit! They're 24, most of 'em.

Nothing happened, they could not access my computers. They then served me with a notice two years after my intial arrest and they are saying the passwords I provided did not work which I provided after they served the notice

Every image downloaded re-vicitimizes the victim.

This is under the assumption that I was downloading and or in posession of images which is not the evidence

The thought crime I am mentioning is that I am going to trial on the basis of not complying with a notice. Not anything else

What if you tell them a password and it doesn't work? Maybe something was corrupted like the header so the password cannot unlock anything.

This would be part of my defense, I have already mentioned something like this.

I recall seeing this thread before with a letter. Same guy?

>a thought crime
That has bothered me as well. A proper, prison-worthy felony should include a victim who has suffered quantifiable damage. If the state can't show that, it has no business demanding anyone's life, liberty, or property.

Not him but just curious do you actually have cheese pizza or is it something else?

Depends where you saw it. I have not posted on Sup Forums before about this. So unless it was another site it was not me

I am not going to say anything with regards to that, people can make a conclusion they want.

I will say that either way those are not the charges

It was here. Letter from police saying to disclose keys or face being arrested (and also prosecuted with the original crime) for non-disclosure of key(s). This was a UK police force.

What I have noticed is that a lot of people in the UK, in comparison to the US are more "well if you have nothing to hide".
Where as in the US people would think this is bullshit since the 5th amendment. It actually sucks because the law itself is against human rights in the EU.

That was not me unfortunately.The police done that to me as well they said 'we can give you a notice' bla bla bla. They then eventually got the RIPA notice.

basically admitting you did.

We all know why you wont give the passwords. i hope they take good care of you in prison. you wont even be on yhe nonce wing if you get charged with this.

The police said the same thing. 'We know you done this bla bla bla' but are not charging me with that.

Maybe because personal belief is not evidence

How many devices did they seize?

Is that Kelly Ripa you're talking about? She's kinda ditzy.

More than 2

You should an hero now while you can

maybe not but they must have a pretty good reason to suspect you

you haven't explained what your passwords are for but apparently either the UK is awake or this is a thread to bait them.

one time, about 20 years ago, i was at AOL taking tech support calls. it was a super early morning shift and i was sleepy and some british irish scottish something guy called. he told me he needed help with his (something). i was out of it and thought this was some moron and i tried to explain that i couldn't help with his phone cord. then he got angry and kept saying "my code... my CODE!" and i realized he meant his password.

>Must have good reason to suspect you therefore you are guilty.

so why did they suspect you?

I do not need to explain what my passwords are for. Its for data security.

Encrypting your data is not a criminal offence

Because apparently my IP address was among some which were downloading images or something.

Its not like the police could make a mistake right?

or something? you must know exactly if they tried to charge you.

also thet tend to be pretty good at that kind of shit. If they got your IP then you must have been doing something wrong.

The police sometimes get one digit in the IP address wrong because incompetent workers don't copy and paste but write down shit. Happened to a guy in the news.

they dont copy and paste. they have documents that get generated so its accurate

I dont want to say too much about my case, but lets just say the police have made multiple mistakes already.

Infact fuck it. Basically, I am being prosecuted when the Police do not have a copy of the section 49 notice(they gave me the original copy)

The judge said that it does not matter and my application to dismiss was denied

Oh I think you accidentally saw/downloaded CP and they thought it was on purpose.

Let me also mention they had two attempts at it. What I mean is they got a RIPA notice it was invalid because it was signed by a dp judge and not a jp judge. They then served me with another one 4 months later.

They lose it and ask me for a copy. I did not have to due to law. I didnt then it got to the point where it was in court for a dismissal. The judge said that since the application was successful on the files that infact the notice was served .

My point remains that police made multiple mistakes with my case so yes, they can make a mistake simply with an ip address very much so

i think he did on purpose. which is why they got his IP and why he encrypted his devices in the forst place. which leads to why he wont give the passwords.

He'll get a good year or so in prison. As said up there itll be in the main section with all the nonce haters due to it not being a direct pedo charge.

Lol he'll beat this case in court I can feel it in my bones

So I am being charged with a value to comply with a notice when the prosecution does not have a copy of the notice.

They already made a mistake one time with getting the first noticed served by a wrong judge.

I was even told by my barrister that if it was accepted(the application) in theory they could have served me with another one.

Now maybe some of you may realize this law is seriously breeching human rights.

Pedos shouldnt have human rights

You mean alleged pedos? The moment you are arrested you must be a pedo?

Meant for

so you didnt do it then?

I did not, but it is down to personal belief. This is the internet afterall

Why do you think so?

This is rarely tested in court

so where'd they find evidence you did? You dont get arrested for no reason

If it's evidence why am i not in court for the arrest allegations?

The courts decided an IP address is not evidence therefor unless they have (posession) or what ever it can not be used. Warrant is based on probable cause.

When i was arrested the police said they recieved intelligence from GCHQ.

That intelligence can be anything down to someone making an anonymous call and so fourth. I dont know how much weight that adds to the warrant application though

When will you suck my balls?

Why did you even bother typing this?

This is why a lot of people are stupid, people assume the moment police are at your door then you must have been doing something wrong!

Not how it works warrants dont have a high threshhold and thus can not be used for evidence

Idk cuz it doesn't sound like they have substantial evidence to put you away for this. It's pretty obvious that you were up to something sketchy, which is NOT good. But if you stick to your guns and get a good lawyer, and a good defense you might be able to beat the case. If I were you, I would def be bulking and lifting weights /doing pushups like crazy in preparation for worst case scenario. Jail is NOT fun and the rumors of how they treat pedos isn't a joke. Just sayin dawg

talk us through the process of them arresting you

I am not in court or posession of images, im in court for failure to comply with a notice.

I could just say i was arrested for hacking and i forgot the password but they didnt believe me

Well what kind of time are you facing if they throw the book at you?

5AM in the morning. Not much I can really say it was a sad time but I was calm and collected. I took the advice of my solicitor and went no comment

Well I am too poor for that but thankfully the government pays for all of it in the UK so im lucky.

My case is very far forward in the process. Next time Im at court i will find if im guilty or not guilty.

So theres no point now but really I have been reading a lot of the subject and this law is a gray area so it can always go either way but I have a few things in my favor. Like the header data could be corrupted. The police made multiple mistakes already etc

Motherfucker one off from quints. Gonna an hero and stream it

Barrister said definitely prison if found guilty. He said he'd expect 1 year sentence.

I am shitting my self yea of course I am especially since I know that this law seriously test the laws of human rights.

Ehhhh but you have to remember that you've got a jury of your peers judging you here. At least in the states you do. If your only defense is "well it could have been" and "police do make mistakes", then it's probably not looking good. Just look at it this way, at least you'll get 3 hots and a cot kek

Fuckin pedo, die.

For any doubters out there, just try to be open minded for a second. Sure I may look guilty to you but thats beside the point.

Try to imagine I am actually innocent - innocent until proven guilty. Then I am facing jail time for something just by forgetting a password. Now let that sink in

Yeah, I know but the point is its not up to me to prove the contrary its up to the prosecution to prove that this is not the case.

Think what you want but I love children and dont want to hurt them

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law#United_Kingdom

go to an european court. if you are lucky, your case will be solved before brexit.

this law is against european laws. the uk cant do that.

Yep, I need money to do this. A few thousands or something right?

And this would take years but I dont know how that stuff works :/

Trying to get away with technicalities.. you coward, enjoy jail.

Lets not forget that I would probably need to appeal to the higher courts and have grounds to appeal which the judge can do. Then go to the supreme court etc..

Technicalities? If the prosecution cant prove this is not the case then I dont see how its a technicality

thats how a coherent justice system works

otherwise its a kangaroo court

So basically the only right to appeal is by having grounds to appeal. If a judge says there is not grounds to appeal its pretty much moot.

So thats how they get away with this in the UK

see

>you have given the domestic system the opportunity to put right the breach of your rights
(“exhaustion o
f domestic remedies”); this generally means that before applying to the
Court
you must have raised the same complaints in the national courts
, including the
highest court. This involves complying with national rules of procedure, including time

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