Why was he so desperate to transform Rome into a republic anyway?

Why was he so desperate to transform Rome into a republic anyway?

What would really be the difference? Life would still be shit for 99% of people.

Because it's to relate him to modern, FREEDOM loving Americans. Never mind the Roman Republic was absolutely corrupt and the Empire was the obvious better alternative. But Americans never had kingdoms and empires so they can't relate when you say a dictatorship by a benevolent dictator is better than a republic led by corruption.

LOGH, is that you?

Yeah but all Republics turn into dictatorships once the corruption reaches peak levels.

Bringing back the Republic only restarts the slide back into despotism.

Tyranny is the default state of human politics.

Life was pretty good for a lot of people in the Roman empire, actually

>Americans never had kingdoms
>Americans aren't from Europe.

wew, Americans magically appeared out of thin air a few hundred years ago, eh?

This guy is right, american audience is literally too stupid to comprehend history, that's why Hollywood period movies always end up with simplistic and juvenile plot.

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he knew his heir would bring the Empire to ashes

Probably to avoid the succession civil wars.

>Nerva -> Trajan -> Hadrian -> Antonian -> Marcus Aurelius
Oh woe on the Roman people!

Over 2000 years later give or take and we still haven't had a leader with the aptitude of Trajan.

He didn't need to make Commodus emperor though.

He tells Maximus he planned to make him Emperor instead of his own son. At least that's how I remember it.

>don't make Commodus emperor
>risk civil war centered around him
>don't make Commodus emperor AND kill Commodus
>commit filicide

It's bullshit that a Prince would want the Senate back in power so late in imperial history. Complete fiction.
Plus, the senate was already a shadow of its former self when it fell into irrelevance, ABOUT A CENTURY earler than the facts in the movie.

"Donald Trump, the United States must go back to being a British colony!" It's almost as absurd. Some changes aren't reversible.

They just shoved it in because for Americans NOT DEMOCRACY = THE ANTICHRIST since wwii

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He planned to make Maxmius 'Guardian' or some shit, even though Maximus knew nothing about politics. Not a very good plan desu

Realistically, who the fuck would fight for Commodus?

>Well done Commodus, well done... however

>Realistically, who the fuck would fight for Commodus?
Whoever had invested the last decade buying his favour only to be left empty handed

I don't get how euros don't get this concept. Kinda mind-blowing, really.

Except at this point it would have actually been unusual for a Caesar to name his own son heir. Before that it was all adopted successors. The four successors before Aurielius were all adoptees and were all very good emperors.

americans are mostly from africa and mexico

>reminder that Fall of the Roman Empire is better than Gladiator

Americans were made up of the most cowardly Europeans who fled because Europe was too hardcore for them with the dank kings and shit. Then they were basically the bitches of the Bongs for a while before convincing themselves they won a war which in reality was essentially just a battle they brought upon themselves after a bunch of lies, also after which they failed to help out the guys who helped them out who were in the actual war keeping in line with their cowardly history and spirit. Then they were AWOL during WWI, but came in at the end so the Jews could use their blacks in videogames, and honestly tried to claim they had any major role, then they did the same in WW2 after Russia, Britain and China did all the heavy lifting. But because the Jews control their meaningless lives, they are mind fucked into believing that Iwo Jima was anything but a Sunday warm-up and forget that the Pacific was the Dane Cook of theatres.

I'm aware of this, but appointing someone with no political experience because they haven't been 'corrupted xD' by it makes no fucking sense.

I appreciate that it was done to appeal to the audiences and make Maximus look like a 'good' guy, but his plan makes absolutely no sense and it's dumb to pretend otherwise.

Yes, americans are from europe

peasant traitors to the crown who would have all been executed if a far greater threat(s) hadnt come up.

Because otherwise he wouldn't be relatable to normies.

A lot of modern movies, like Kingdom of Heaven and The Patriot pull ahistorical shit like this.

WE

WUZ

>t. EUrocuck whose waifu just got gangfucked by Ahmed and the Fugees

USA, two-time, back-to-back World War champions

>American education

Read a book Jamal. Oh wait you can't.

>eurotards don't think they are under the thumb of the joo too

Enjoy watching first hand the continual rape of your culture and children over the next decade

We Sup Forums now?

This movie was proper Rome-Kino... Fuck historical fact.. As long as the dudes who play Romans are white, the movie works

Oh man you are a dumb dumb but I don't expect anything more from empire loving shits. Republics are clearly not perfect but they have a certain level of checks and balances that allow at least for good men to survive at various levels instead of being butchered or cast out as rivals. If you genuinely think the republic period of Rome did more damage to Rome and it's people than the empire period than you haven't learned fucking anything about it. Yes there were some good emperor's. There were a lot of shit ones too and the shit ones created such a twisted system that the good emperor's after them couldn't thrive and were even killed.

>constantly talks about restoring the republic
>somehow makes it to the thrown
>doesnt restore the republic
>makes Livia a demigod instead

What the actual fuck was his problem

It wasn't done so much to appeal to the audiences as to set up the emotional conflict between Maximus and Commodus. Plus, he did say he would empower Maximus only so that Maximus would give the power to the Senate. Political experience was not necessary.

It was too simplistic morally.

>Republic = good
>Empire = bad

isn't necessarily true

And although Commodus was clearly an awful ruler, there's no real indication a republic would have been any better, and the plot suffers as a result.

>motion picture created by Americans
>uses "muh freedom" as the pinnacle of all that is right and good

This. Scott's so-called """"""""""historical movies"""""""""" are terrible.

Those checks and balances didn't really work out so well for the Gracchi or for Sulla's or Caesar's enemies.

Yes, yes, well done Maximus, well done Maximus

HOWEVER...

(((America))) was a mistake.

>Plus, he did say he would empower Maximus only so that Maximus would give the power to the Senate. Political experience was not necessary.

Oh ok, I thought he wanted Maximus to rule directly for a while or something, that makes a bit more sense.

I'm surprised you've even heard the word "culture".

Republicuck.

The idea that Marcus Aurelius wanted to turn it into a republic is lunacy anyway

Wives and underdeveloped wheelchair technology

>Republicunt

Doesn't want an Empire because he knows he'd get thumbed down as soon as he left his Mom's Alae.

Probably stems from this quote by Gibbons
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If a man were called to fix the period in the history of the world during which the condition of the human race was most happy and prosperous, he would, without hesitation, name that which elapsed from the death of Domitian to the accession of Commodus. The vast extent of the Roman Empire was governed by absolute power, under the guidance of virtue and wisdom. The armies were restrained by the firm but gentle hand of four successive emperors, whose characters and authority commanded respect. The forms of the civil administration were carefully preserved by Nerva, Trajan, Hadrian and the Antonines, who delighted in the image of liberty, and were pleased with considering themselves as the accountable ministers of the laws. Such princes deserved the honour of restoring the republic, had the Romans of their days been capable of enjoying a rational freedom.

>Be Emperor
>Spend entire life expanding the empire through violence
>Appoint professional soldier as succesor
>"Empire was a mistake"

Hmm

Actually appointing an emperor with the respect of the armies would probably be the only way to go back to a republic. Without the command of the legions you might as well be dead weight on the throne and any enthusiastic general would have butt fucked you. His decision makes sense, especially considering maximus didn't want power he just wanted to go home.

Also Marcus aerelius did talk a lot of good shit about the republic he just never did anything.

Both of which also had kingdoms and empires.

>The ones who journeyed to America to make their way in a vast wilderness for the sake of forging their own way are the cowards, not the peasants who stayed behind in europe content with serfdom and no representation

...euros

People are fucking idiots. Hell they read the first sentence and assume Gibbon thought the 2nd century empire was the best thing ever when he's clearly saying something very different.

>Life would still be shit for 99% of people.

Life was pretty good for Roman plebs. That's why the public never really embraced Tiberius Gracchus' reforms, he was like "You'll get to have fields! That you can do backbreaking labour in!" and they were like "yay I guess but we already get loads of free shit for free"

>Except at this point it would have actually been unusual for a Caesar to name his own son heir.

The amount of times this total bullshit gets repeated is astounding. The reason the 4 emperors before him didn't named their sons heir was because NONE OF THEM HAD LIVING SONS.

The last emperor before Marcus Aurelius to have a living son when he died was Vespasian. He had two sons named Titus and Domitian. And wouldn't you know, the names of the next two Roman Emperors after him were Titus and Domitian.

>expecting me to know or care about the reforms of Memeus Phallus

lmao

First post, best post

Pretty weak bantz bro why don't you go kill yourself? I thought you fucking retards across the pond prided yourself on your bantz?

>Americans understanding bantz
>ever

P1AO1.

This comment is so nonsensical I don't even know where to begin. It was the Gracchi who pushed for the expansion of the grain "dole" (it was not free, merely subsidized, and it was a massively corrupt system that not allocated based on income). The average urban Roman did not get "loads of free shit for free" outside of extraordinary events like Caesar/Augustus giving out money from their own fortunes. In reality they lived a life of abject poverty, scrounging out a living from a combination of whatever work they could find as a day laborer and what they could get from their "patron." That money meanwhile all went to paying for their daily bread and their daily rent for a tiny room in a sham of a building that was plenty likely to burn down or collapse.

In reality the life in the countryside if you had your own land was far better, and even life as a servant on a estate at least brought stability and security that was unknown to 90% of Rome's inhabitants.

>back 2 back 2x World War Champions

Finally there's a quality thread in this fucking capeshit board

>cowardly
>weak
>treacherous
>incest fantasies involving his sister
>severe daddy issues

Is he 'our guy'?

OP make this thread because of the new Honest trailer?

No but thanks for alerting me to it

>Americans were made up of the most cowardly Europeans who fled because Europe was too hardcore for them with the dank kings and shit.

Yes Europe was too scary so they decided to live in an unexplored wilderness populated by savages whose favorite hobby was scalping white people.

He didn't feel like getting executed by the troops.

>there is no such thing as a benevolent dictator

We had a king, and a government with no representation. It fucking sucked, we threw it off and never looked back, and more Europeans would have done the same if they had the geographical advantages we had in throwing off their tyrants. Try harder, Monarcuck.

And now Americans have the wonderful opportunity to choose between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. Fucking joke.

He didn't trust anyone else to be a dictator.

Now try living under an absolute ruler, and see how far you get after calling the likely heir a "Fucking joke".