I don't care what John Lennon did or was as a person...

I don't care what John Lennon did or was as a person, but "Imagine" is pure childish hippie-dippie pap that gets way too much praise. Read the lyrics and it makes zero sense or insight on the world, in fact its bullshit in every sense of the world

no shit, he was the most pretentious piece of garbage in the 20th century

and he beat his wife

yes, he unironically deserved to be shot for "Imagine". most overrated garbage of all time

The piano part is nice

John Lennon had literally 0 (zero) awareness of how the real world works, and Imagine reads like a juvenile pretentious hypocritical vomit on paper. Paul was the better of the two. He also beat his wife.

It's pretentious

I love most of his stuff but I agree. Had had worse songs imo but Imagine is down there with them.

The lyrics just lay out the simplest principles of communism. Its kind of funny it was received so well in its time

it's a nice melody but the lyrics are pretty pretentious and utterly meaningless and it's overrated as fuck. I do acknowledge its influence and importance but that's ultimately because it is a pretty normal pop song with "deep" lyrics." it isn't as good as most people would say, but he didn't deserve to be shot for it

he deserved to be shot because he beat his wife

"Imagine if people lived for today"

"Imagine if there's no countries or religion."

We'd all be fucking dead instantly if we had no civilisation or zero consideration of the future. That's fucking stupid and childish

Imagine reads like a kid who learns about the basics of Marxism in 10th grade and pretends he's a communist for a couple days.

hahahaha youre just paranoid hahaha everyone you dont agree with is a communist hahahah youre so delusional society is a delusion free yourself smoke weed haha

That's all John Lennon and the Beatles were, they were masters at writing melodies and hooks but they couldn't write an actual song for jack shit

I know it's bait, but "Imagine no possessions" and "Imagine all the people sharing all the world" is the simple foundation to communism in case people actually use that as an argument

i hate liberals and hippies but i love imagine desu

it's a great song. i could give a shit about the message or the lyrics.

Nice meme.

You're a spoonfed retard if you're actually serious

Beatles fans in a nutshell

Prove me wrong please

Define actual song first.

It is great how annoyed you can make people by saying simple, friendly things.

no religion, no countries, no society, no money, no possession

its literally textbook marxism

>imagine there's no heaven
>imagine there's no countries
>friendly
I mean, I don't disagree with you, but normally these would get people at your throat.

I mean actual lyrics and the message of the song, the purpose

>And he beat his wife
Fuck off with this meme, Paul

Communists have literally starved people and lined them up and shot them because they wanted nations, money, religion etc. How can you construe this as friendly? because theirs pretentious piano chords?

He's imagining a world without civilization, any consideration of the future (therefore the youth), and no ownership and to share everything (communism). That's childish pretentious bullshit that contradicts human nature

how the fuck are the piano chords pretentious? it's just a song

how is anything pretentious

Best part about it was that he wrote this in the century and time period when communist and atheist states were murdering hundreds of millions of people

There's an element of truth in every meme, Yoko.

Yeah, like how it was true that you used to beat Linda up

>Communists have literally starved people and lined them up and shot them because they wanted nations, money, religion etc. How can you construe this as friendly?
I don't know. Where in the songs does he advocate those things?
>he's describing a communist utopia!
Yeah, an utopia, not the means people used to reach it.

When did the communists who committed those atrocities warn people they were going to do so?

Hi, Ben.

Yeah it's pretty cringe. Melody is nice and nothing wrong with the anything else.
Just the braindead lyrics that people pass off as deep insight.

Maybe if he spent less time beating his wife he could think of something better

>realizes hes very very influential with his music
>create a whole generation of piece of shit entitled marxists with his pretentious bs
>All the while saying "muh communists werent that bad because they wanted a better world!!"
>while marxists were starving and murdering

hes a terrible person and you know it

Read the lyrics, he's advocating the same exact things the communist states wanted to achieve. Granted he's not calling for the murder of hundreds of millions of people, but it makes him look completely oblivious about the world and human nature

>strawmanning so hard
Whatever, keep believing he was literally Stalin if that makes you feel better.

>le "marxism isnt a bad philosophy, its just the people that advocate it are bad" meme

>casualties of communism or socialism
"well that's how all leftists are and it should be stopped!"
>casualties of capitalism
"that's just capitalism bro!"

You're missing the point completely

I really couldn't hear the lyrics too well over the sound of him beating his wife.

communists literally murdered millions of people. Because of their world view. You are delusional.

"Imagine all the people living life in peace"

>beats his wife

HEy who is this wifebeater

capitalists literally murdered millions of people. because they're okay with the poor being screwed over, being homeless, starving, diseased, etc. you are delusional

Fucking hell are you guys braindead or what?!
He's not laying out a fucking manifesto for society to follow.
The song is literally called "Imagine", not "hey guys lets actually do this shit".
He is simply picturing his perfect, idyllic, non-attainable world.
The song is like what he is wishing for, he's not expecting it to fucking happen.

>whataboutism

I realise that Einstein, but what he saying completely contradicts human nature and makes him look completely clueless and unaware about the world and it's blatant events and principles. It's pretentious hippy-dippy pap that can never happen and he's also a hypocrite for making it

this thread is why I hate trump supporters

>he can't handle his own hypocrisy

>a pop song from the biggest band ever cant inspire someone

again, Marxism is a cancerous ideology because its a cancerous ideology. not because "it cant be carried out because of human nature".

your free to give all your shit away dude, i dont care

I dont want to concern myself with your moral coping mechanisms anymore, just know youre being a useful idiot.

>thinks the song is pretentious bullshit for promoting the concept of marxism (because it has proven not to work on the deaths of hundreds of millions of people)
>you must be le trump supporters
>everything i disagree with is associated with le trump

This is why people can't stand people on the left, the fucking epitome

I don't get the fury here. There are countless examples of countries working together as one. The international space station is a good one. There's no reason its impossible or unattainable

I don't think you know what murder means

I don't care what John Lennon did or was as a person, but "Imagine" is pure childish hippie-dippie pap that gets way too much praise. Read the lyrics and it makes zero sense or insight on the world, in fact its bullshit in every sense of the world

the song wasn't intended to be political it's a dream where people all get along which the don't in real life

cheers man precisely what i was saying

>song comes out near the height of marxism as a coherent philosphy in the world, and height of the power of the soviet union.

>lyrics are literally something to come straight out of the communist manifesto and marx's writings

>its just a coincidence that it espouses marxist values!

That song is literally pure political ideology, if you think that song doesn't involve politics then you're completely wrong. It's a completely unaware, pretentious, and childish goal for the world and human race.

It involves the relationships of human beings and power structures, that's the definition of politics. You guys are completely retarded and blind for not seeing that.

Thats exactly why he was so clueless and pretentious...

He had no idea people were killing eachother over the garbage lyrics he wrote..

would rather be a retard than be a fucking hipster faggot like you

Okay, sorry I have a brain for thinking something is unaware pretentious bullshit because it is

imagine a world

where no one replied to this thread

At least it's a discussion with opposing viewpoints

>Enters a thread
>"DONALD DRUMPH, AM I RIGHT GUYS?"
?

what

I hope these guys realise that they're the reason why Trump won, because of leftist bullshit labeling any opposing viewpoint as automatically racist, sexist, and bigoted. Keep acting like condescending and entitled children, let's see how that works

>bullshit in every sense of the world
No it's not since it isn't literal shit from a bull.

>"message" being the important part of a piece of music
spot the pseud

He beat his wife in what? Certainly not music.

Sweet bait

Imagine a world where you didn't exist

yeah i was triggered into voting for trump by words on the internet and it's everyone's fault but my own

imagine

Have you ever been outside before?

It's not that we didn't try. It's only that it had cancerous results - Russian famine, Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao.

i bet you were one of those pussies who acted horrfied when you heard run for your life

(and consequent posters):

You are thick. He laid his feelings about his ideal world. The "way the real world works" is the propaganda you have been fed. You are not redpilled, conservative fucks

But his ideal world resembles the communist one! Doesn't that make it inherently evil?!

Are you American by any chance?

It appeals to people with the mindset of literal children, who view the world as a dichotomy of nice and tolerant and MEAN and HATEFUL >:(

>You just need a compilation and have all your Lennon needs

Oh yeah, and he was an awful Dad. Plus he really put the beat in Beatles! Yoko was too good for him.

I agree, lusty negros, etc.

>t. Scaruffi

Yoko was also a fucking cunt