Should tipping be mandatory or an option?

Should tipping be mandatory or an option?

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Fuck off faggot
I'm 19 I walk into a shop and pay for the shit I want and walk out

Before I walk out I have to pay fucking TAX.
Not going to give people free money for the job they are already getting payed

Why should i tip if i just paid for food??

Been in the hospitality/service business about eight years now, and I can honestly say that tipping shouldn't be mandatory, although it is widely appreciated. I mean, at the end of the day it really is just a socially accepted form of bribery.

I write negative numbers in the "Tip" line. They deduct it from the waitresses' salary and send me a check.

Maybe in a restaurant/diner that argument might work. But for places like catering halls/ country clubs where I work, where usually the food/drinks/experience is already paid for in advance, tipping isn't so bad.

How come people that work in a grocery shop don't get a tip
That ain't fail
How come men are less likely to get tipped that's not fair

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Tipping is optional.

But not for black people, they never tip so I would never tip them.

Tipping is a feminist invention.

Two constants in the universe
1: Water is wet
2: Niggas don't tip

Not sure why were making two threads of the same thing but Ill copy and paste what I said there

Meh whatever. Shes a hot blone chick. Probably never had to lift a finger when she was growing up and fucked who ever she wanted. Probably has 2 baby daddies that didn't commit because she obviously gives it up too easily. Probably. Now she's stuck with these two shit kids and a loose pussy and she was to busy fucking everyone in high school to learn any kind of a real skill. She will work a shit job the rest of her life unless she can put up with sucking some 80 year old dudes dick. Probably.

kek no not even close. Tipping started in the prohibiton era. The ban on alcohol caused many businesses like restaurants to lose a fuckload of income, so most owners could no longer afford to pay their staff better, so they started encouraging the public to tip.

kek

Because womans have tits, stop being such a faggot. Also when I was a bagger at grocery store in high school some people would give me tips when I helped them out to their car.

Tip is actually an anacronym
T.i.p. = to insure promptness
Therefore tips are something that are earned on the level of work they put into your individual service. Were they slow? No tip. Were they prompt and helpful? Tip

Tldr tip is optional

My point exactly. Also sometimes it can be random. There have been night where I busted my ass and made nothing, and other times where some guy slid me a 20 just for getting him a beer or folding his napkin

>USA
Third world country of retards

If you live in a normal country tipping isn't even needed because you will just get paid normally

greedy amerilards

>single mom of 2 kids
Well fuck me, I'm not paying for your fuck ups you stupid slut. Suck my dick and earn your tip

I can tell most of you guys aren't social regulars because your trying to justify the beer or food over the people and atmosphere.

Bartended here I work with some drop dead gorgeous woman that give lonely divorced men, attention and respect. something you guys didnt know, The beer and and food tastes exactly the same everywhere you go! wings are on special all across the country on wednessday but only some bars have goodlooking staff that care about your new truck, empathize with the loss of a loved one, or help you forget about your troubles and make you part of a family.

The fact that its minimum wage to be a Therapist A, Baby Sitter (we get sued for getting you to drunk to quickly or do something violent) And, Janitor (I'm cleaning wing wednessday out of every toilet, and yesterdays spicy tacos out of the sinks)

My closing note is that yes its not manditory to tip but having hot woman that laugh at your jokes and flirt to make you feel important is only possible because of tippping. if you expect them to do it for minimum wage and a smile they arn't going to stay, they will do something else.

Pay your fucking workers a wage for the work they do, fucking retarded yanks.

option and whatever the fuck you wanted
fucking whiteknights trying to justify tips

Im a bartender in quite an expensive club, and even I think that tipping should always be an option. Bartenders and waiters usually earn the minimum wage, but despite being a bartender is quite fun, we work nights for shit money, always trying to make your party time feel good, so if you leave a 1$ tip while ordering a 9$ beer it's really nice and appreciated, if you could afford a beer you probably can afford that little tip too. It's gonna make you feel better too. But if a bartender spends 15 mins, helping you to choose and then create a fancy cocktail, then tipping is almost obligatory,as he could pour tens of beers/shots for plenty of people during that time, but he's spending this on You. Otherwise it's not your duty to tip.

Usually if I get some bad tips what I'll do is wait till I have a table that pays cash, then as they're closing out I tell the manager that they didn't like a particular drink or one of the items came out cooked improperly and they comp it off the bill. Since they payed cash that money goes straight in my pocket.

>tipping
>mandatory
That would remove the entire point of having tips in the first place. If you think tips should be mandatory, you're a fucking idiot and you should be advocating for waiters to be paid decent wages instead.

I'd have tipped that fucking blonde whore carroussel 4.43$. My autism cant deal with float totals

tipping is customers getting jewed by the establishment. Simple as that.
If the establishment paid their staff a living wage, food prices would go up marginally, that's all, it's way cheaper for the customer. Unless your jewing the waitress, then yea it's gonna cost you more, but I couldn't give a fuck cos I fact your that guy, your a cunt.

i dont usually tip but if they are overal nice and don't act like a cock ill give them like the first note i pull out.

I havent heard if we covered all our bases yet or not, has someone gotten her fired yet for bitching about her job on facebook? Or even figured out where she works?

>The fact that its minimum wage to be a Therapist A, Baby Sitter (we get sued for getting you to drunk to quickly or do something violent) And, Janitor (I'm cleaning wing wednessday out of every toilet, and yesterdays spicy tacos out of the sinks)

Get fucked. I literally paid the fucking bill.

Fuck you and fuck your tip.

t. Lying, muny grubbing, femanon cunt

But also this is why I dont really go to restaurants to eat. I don agree with the fact that they get away with paying these people less than minimum wage, overcharge me, and expect me to also turn around and pay their employees since they dont get paid otherwise. Tipping culture shouldnt be a thing because we should be more self sufficient as consumers anyways.

I'm a dude

It's still your job. Why do you feel like the guests should pay you extra when you allready have a salary?

I wanna suck your dick

If it is mandatory then it is no longer a tip.

maybe she should harass her employer for more wages?

t. Larping, lying, muny grubbing femanon, cunt

>people think that transporting food deserves more than a minimum or slightly higher wage

If your employers don't pay you enough, don't abuse your customers for protection money.

Learn a skill.

Fuck tipping, except for extraordinary service. That's what the custom exists for.

Until restaurants are required to pay minimum wage to servers and busboys and everybody's food tab goes up 20%, tipping is a necessary evil.

You should ask yourself why the tip is required as a 'compensation for the worker' and why said worker is not paid enough by the employer.

Minimum wage is about twice as much as tipped minimum wage so you should only tip if theyre making the latter of the two

Entitled cunts thinking they deserve extra because they can carry plates.

No, they deserve extra for maintaining a positive demeanour - despite all being petty, entitled, childish cunts.

It's hard to smile at your customers when you're an absolute piece of shit; ask any waitress who 'relies on tips' to make more than she deserves in extortion.

Kek this. She probably got blacked and now regerts it

>I think that tipping should always be an option. >if you leave a 1$ tip while ordering a 9$ beer it's really nice and appreciated, if you could afford a beer you probably can afford that little tip too.

Fuck you, you jew bastard. Have you heard the hypocrisy?

Why? They're just doing their job, I don't get paid extra to deal with asshole customers on my job. If they're underpaid then they shouldn't even take the job.

this thread again.
it's the fifth fucking time in two hours.

covfefe

You do that in every job. Just in every other job if you don't be positive, you get fired. These cunts want more money for doing what's expected of them.

Ontario is increasing minimum wage to $15/hr. I'll never tip a server in Ontario again. They make enough now.

I don't get tip if I smile at work.

Serve or bartend for a week at $2-$3 an hour and see if that changes some of your opinions.

I tip no matter what. If service sucks it'll be less than what I would normally tip for good service. Some people have bad days. I even tip on to go orders

They're still only making two euros or 1.7USD. How is that enough?

Tipping is a thing because waiters/waitresses only make $2 an hour

Most of them work like they ONLY make $2 an hour and act like they should be handed cash on a silver platter.

I'm not paying your fucking paycheck because you're too lazy to get a better job, all you fuckers do is write down what I want and that's it.

If you really go above and beyond then I have no problem of throwing some extra cash your way.

Protip: if you do tip, always tip on card, then it gets taxed

If you have so much money to throw away, why don't you open a restaurant and bar where you pay the servers $15 an hour? Since you're so intent on correcting the injustices of the universe, and you have the resources, I see no reason for you to refuse.

Who is she? Can't find where this came from.

> if you do tip, always tip on card, then it gets taxed
this

>have a job
>get paid by boss
>get 5 dollar extra for just doing my work as expected
>get mad

I think it's OK to make tipping mandatory. But only if it applies to all professions. Teachers, police officers, soldier, dentists, cashier, butchers, nurses, painters, swim instructors, plumbers, lawyers and journalist should also get a fair tip when they do their work as expected.

places should be transparent about how they pay their workers so people know going in

Waitstaff should just be paid more so we can forget the concept even exists.

He obviously doesn't have the resources. That's a non sequitur but I agree that people shouldn't have to tip. The customer should not be the one to pick up the tab.

>Serve or bartend for a week at $2-$3 an hour and see if that changes some of your opinions.
The problems is that tipping is keeping the wages low.
If everybody stops tipping, nobody will work for $2 / hour anymore.

This. We'd have a "living wage" by now if people would just organize and strike instead of bitching to the government about everything.

“The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) has established a supplemental base wage of $2.13 per hour for employees who earn significant tip income (such as waiters and waitresses). These employees must earn at least the federal minimum wage of $7.25 when tips are included. (If they don’t, their employer is required to make up the difference.) The difference between the cash wage and the federal minimum wage is known as the tip credit.

Advocacy groups often misleadingly point to the $2.13 tipped wage supplement and claim that tipped employees earn less than the minimum wage. This isn’t true: Tipped employees are guaranteed to earn at least the federal minimum wage of $7.25 and typically earn much more. Census Bureau data show that the average hourly wage for a restaurant employee earning tip income is $13.08, with top earners bringing in $24 an hour or more.”

Source: tippedwage.com/facts-about-the-tipped-wage

"Waiters aren't paid like everyone else. Unlike cooks, who are subject to the federal minimum wage, servers are instead compensated based on the assumption that they are going to earn some extra money on the side. Restaurants are required to pay their wait staff what is known as the tipped-minimum wage, which is $2.13 per hour.

The understanding is that tips will make up for the difference between the tipped and regular pay floor. But even when the tips don't make up that difference, waiters still make no less than the federal minimum wage because restaurants are legally required to pay the rest.

The truth, however, is that that rarely happens. The average base pay for waiters is $4.90, according to Pay Scale. What they make in tips is earned on top of that, and tips alone more often than not amount to a good deal more than the $7.25 federal minimum wage."

Source: washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/08/20/theres-a-serious-problem-with-how-restaurants-pay-their-staff/?utm_term=.f69a694f4cf5

You wouldn't need the tips if your boss/owners weren't trying to squeeze every penny they can out of you. Asian countries seldom tip, but that's because they aren't a bunch of greedy fucktards.

This, this, and this. I agree that restaurant workers get paid way less than minimum wage and I can't believe it's legal, honestly. But don't take a job where the pay is shit and get mad when people don't tip. And in OPs pic, they did tip, but this bitch thinks the tip amount should be relative to the amount spent. Don't accept a job with shit pay if you for want shit pay.

>if you could afford a beer you probably can afford that little tip too
So if you go to a store and by cheese, you also tip? You can afford cheese, so you probably can afford that little tip too

I think every job should be for tips.

Hire a carpenter to build you a house, then once it's built decide how much it's worth to you. If you're running a little low that day, just stiff him.

Either have businesses pay their waiters more than $3-4 an hour, or fucking tip. Don't have to tip a fuck ton, but come on

Your job is a waiter/waitress, and you only make $2.13 an hour. Let's say it was a really bad day, you worked 8 hours, and didn't have a single customer all day (hypothetically speaking of course). Does that mean you only earned a total of $17.04 that day? No, it doesn't. What that means is, by federal law, your employer must make up for the difference so that you at least netted a total of $58 for that day. This would mean that you actually worked those 8 hours at a rate of $7.25 an hour.

Now let’s say it was a real busy night after a concert or during a football game. Had you worked 8 hours that day, served 10 different tables, each tipping $10, you would have made $100 plus the base rate of $2.13. This equates to a total of $117.04 for that 8 hour shift. That’s more than double what people get paid for an 8 hour shift making at least the federal minimum wage with no possibility of being tipped ($7.25 an hour) which is only $58.

Your so whiney. Are you still upset Hillary lost. Go cry in the shower.

I'd ban it. We don't do that shit in my country, it's silly that you still do it.

3 dollars a hour is not a livable wage whatsoever

>Boo hoo I worked so hard today moving plates back and forth between the kitchen and the customer's table.
>It's so hard getting the customer's order sending that order to the chef.

tipping be mandatory? Fuck that!If you aren't happy with your wages then get a different job. You aren't a fucking charity, not that I give to charity either.
And for anyone defending it... think about this. You spend money on products that are already marked up so that the company makes product and can hire employees. You are effectively paying their wage before the question of tips even comes up. why the fuck should you be charged extra because some did they job they are paid to do?

You don't even know what the difference between a salary and a wage is, your opinion here is invalid.

Kys etc. etc.

>How come men are less likely to get tipped

Because most dudes aren't looking to fuck another dude. They're looking to fuck the hot little college chick that just waited on them.

Similarly, said college chick usually tries to cram her tits into a bra a size or two too small to get attention from horny idiots with more money than sense. Prop them boobies up so the old dudes can drool all over them while feeling the need to flaunt their wealth through tipping.

It's a fantastic racket and I don't blame 'em for it one bit. If I were a chick, I'd do the same goddamned thing.

see

Shitty tippers are usually shitty people who should receive shitty service so they never return again

I work in a nightclub behind a bar and we have like 2500 people in every weekend. I make above £6 every night in tips and most I've had is £20 but heard of someone getting up to £60 at new years eve. Tipping isn't a requirement, its a privilege and how much you get tipped will always reflect on the person you are.

aka personality and attitude to customers.

bitches aren't getting a tip if they're rude, slow, grumpy or whatever.

i don't even care that much if they get my order wrong, people make mistakes, just fix it as quickly as possible and we're gucci.

now on the other hand, even the slightest little thing can make me want to tip someone, just have a smile on your face, be polite, don't take too long.

i don't give a fuck if they're having a bad day, that's not my fucking problem, we all have bad days, do your job, do it with a smile, if you don't then don't expect me to go out of my way to tip your sorry ass.

>waiters make $3
>this means I have to tip
>instead of the waiter just getting a new job
Fucking cucks

this so much.

not my fucking problem you've got this shitty job.

nah, the waiters will just complain that they want more, they're all whiney little faggots who rather bitch about customers not giving them tips than complain to their boss.

i work at a gas station, i deal with grumpy, annoying and straight up violent customers all the damn time, you don't see me complaining about needing more money because i have to deal with them, grow the fuck up, if you don't get paid enough, get a different fucking job you colossal faggots.

people should all stop tipping and let the actual business pay their workers, rather than paying them below minimum wage and forcing them to leech it off the public.

Food in restaurants is fucking cheap in the US. If you can't afford to tip the help, you can't afford to eat out PERIOD.

If you don't want to tip in a country where it is customary (like the US) then you are a cheap bastard and a cunt.

Sure, if the service is actually bad, give an insulting tip, like 99 cents in coins. It's part of the custom of tipping.

The argument that the owners should pay a living wage is a valid one. But it doesn't stop you from tipping. Why? because its not going to change just by you being a cheap fuck.

Anyways, if you want the servers to make a "living wage" and not have to tip them, expect your bill to go up 20 percent or more. Tipping is part of the cost of eating out, deal with it you cheap fucks. Or just eat shitty carry out food, eat from a dumpster, or get your fat fucking mom that you still live with the make you a sandwich.

>I'm not paying your fucking paycheck because you're too lazy to get a better job, all you fuckers do is write down what I want and that's it.

Basically this.

Why the fuck should I be expected to pay you because your employers doesn't? This is just fucking bullshit.

If you've got a complaint, take it up with the guy employing you or the congressman passing laws to effectively guarantee that wait staff are excluded from near universal minimum pay legislation.

Don't bitch at me for being a customer who objects to your employers business practice.

If service is good, I'll tip 20%. That means I better get a cute waitress who pretends to flirt with me.

If service is ok (I get a guy or the girl isn't really into fake liking me), I'll tip 10%.

If the service is awful (server vanishes for long periods, seldom checks on me, etc.), I won't tip.

I once had a gorgeous waitress who put her hand on my shoulder every time she came over, never let my glass get below half empty, and checked on me often. My bill was about $20. I left her a fifty.

I'm a sad, lonely piece of shit. When I go out to eat (which I rarely do), it's the only social interaction I'm likely to have for a while. I wanted to be treated nicely.

Also attractiveness can be a factor to the customer.

aww, didn't you get enough tip money tonight little jimmy?

Just internalize that eating out costs 15-20 percent more than menu price. Don't be a cheap cunt getting a discount at the expense of the help.

>The problems is that tipping is keeping the wages low.
>If everybody stops tipping, nobody will work for $2 / hour anymore.

Yup. Basically this.

Employers love waitstaff bitching because it allows them to cream more profit from the business while waitstaff and customers guilt trip each other.

At this point in your life, why not higher end escorts?

It shouldn't exist. It's an excuse to pay servers less. They pay them less than a wage because they make tips. Then it makes people look like assholes when they don't want to tip.

I don't even work food service, never have and never will.

It's always I'm a mother of x beautiful kids
Who gives a shit...

fuck you. I hate people like you. If I'm not going to fuck a woman why should I whiteknight for her like you and give her special privileges. Fuck you, I shouldn't. Because of shitheads like you, I only tip men.

I tip everywhere except southern California.