Children are sexual beings

Children are sexual beings.
Psychologists believe there isn't even such a thing as pedophilia and that everybody has sexual attraction to children and that it's just been suppressed by our society. Some of them believe it is simply an orientation:
A lot of preindustrial societies don't restrict sexuality at all, and studies have found these societies tend to be less violent. The inverse is also true, with sexually repressed societies having a tendency of being more violent.
Very few children are harmed by sexual encounters with adults or peers.
Research has shown that societies stigma of the act may account for a large portion of the harm.

Prove me wrong. Protip: You can't.

Show me the sauce

For which claim? I have sauce for each one I listed.

Its probably a sexual orientation of some sort and a really shitty one at that, the best solution is some form of acceptance and admittance that it is natural but chemical castration must be done.

For the stigma being the cause of most of the harm done

What for if it causes almost no harm?

Levine, J. (1996). "A Question of Abuse," Mother Jones.
"What's wrong with these things? "They make parents nervous," says Allie Kilpatrick, a social work professor at the University of Georgia who conducted a massive review of the literature on childhood sexual experiences, both wanted and unwanted, and administered her own 33-page questionnaire to 501 Southern women. Most of Kilpatrick's subjects had kissed and hugged, fondled and masturbated as adolescents, and more than a quarter had had vaginal intercourse. Her conclusion: "The majority of young people who experience some kind of sexual behavior find it pleasurable, without much guilt, and with no harmful consequences." A similar study of 526 New England undergraduates revealed "no differences...between sibling, nonsibling, and no-[sexual]-experience groups on a variety of adult sexual behavior and sexual adjustment measures."

Rind, Bruce & Tromovitch, Philip (1997). "A meta-analytic review of findings from national samples on psychological correlates of child sexual abuse," Journal of Sex Research, 34, 237-255.
"The self-reported effects data contradict the conclusions or implications presented in previous literature reviews that harmful effects stemming from CSA are pervasive and intense in the population of persons with this experience. Baker and Duncan (1985) found that, although some respondents reported permanent harm stemming from their CSA experiences (4% of males and 13% of females), the overwhelming majority did not (96% of males and 87% of females). Severe or intense harm would be expected to linger into adulthood, but this did not occur for most respondents in this national sample, according to their self-reports, contradicting the conclusion or implication of intense harm stemming from CSA in the typical case. Meta-analyses of CSA-adjustment relations from the five national studies that reported results of adjustment measures revealed a consistent pattern: SA respondents were less well adjusted than control respondents. Importantly, however, the size of this difference (i.e., effect size) was consistently small in the case of both males and females. The unbiased effect size estimate for males and females combined was ru = .08, which indicates that CSA, assuming that it was responsible for the adjustment difference between SA and control respondents, did not produce intense problems on average."

>pedo
>anime avatar
Sounds about right. Kys

Steever, E. E., Follette, V. M., & Naugle, A. E. (2001). "The correlates of male adults' perceptions of their early sexual experiences," Journal of Traumatic Stress, 14(1), 189–204.
"Three groups of participants were assessed for this study: (1) men who report no history of childhood sexual experiences or report a history of consensual childhood and adolescent sexual experiences with peers (less than five years age difference; NSA), (2) men who do not identify themselves as survivors of childhood sexual abuse, but report a history of childhood or adolescent (before age eighteen) sexual experiences that were coercive/forced in nature, occurred with an individual at least 5 years older than the subject, or were incestuous in nature (involved an older family member), thus satisfying typical research definitions of child sexual abuse (ESE), and (3) men who report a history of childhood sexual experiences that they label as sexual abuse (CSA). [...] Analysis of variance between groups revealed that Group CSA (M = .71, SD = .42) reported significantly more distress than Group NSA (M = .40, SD = .36) or Group ESE did (M = .46, SD = .22). [...] Consistent with our hypotheses, participants in Group CSA were twice as likely to have participated in psychotherapy as participants in Group ESE. In fact, more than half of Group CSA reported that they had sought mental health treatment. [...] Participants in Group ESE, who by standard research criteria would be classified as "abused" did not seek out mental health counseling to a statistically greater degree than participants in Group NSA. Because the participants in Group ESE did not report higher levels of psychological distress than those in Group NSA, it seems likely that these men did not seek treatment because of lack of distress."

DEEP

Rind, Bruce (2001). "Gay and Bisexual Adolescent Boys' Sexual Experiences With Men: An Empirical Examination of Psychological Correlates in a Nonclinical Sample", Archives of Sexual Behavior, 30(4), 345-368
"Over the last quarter century the incest model, with its image of helpless victims exploited and traumatized by powerful perpetrators, has come to dominate perceptions of virtually all forms of adult-minor sex. Thus, even willing sexual relations between gay or bisexual adolescent boys and adult men, which differ from father-daughter incest in many important ways, are generally seen by the lay public and professionals as traumatizing and psychologically injurious. This study assessed this common perception by examining a nonclinical, mostly college sample of gay and bisexual men. Of the 129 men in the study, 26 were identified as having had age-discrepant sexual relations (ADSRs) as adolescents between 12 and 17 years of age with adult males. Men with ADSR experiences were as well adjusted as controls in terms of self-esteem and having achieved a positive sexual identity. Reactions to the ADSRs were predominantly positive, and most ADSRs were willingly engaged in. Younger adolescents were just as willing and reacted at least as positively as older adolescents. Data on sexual identity development indicated that ADSRs played no role in creating same-sex sexual interests, contrary to the "seduction" hypothesis. Findings were inconsistent with the incest model. The incest model has come to act as a procrustean bed, narrowly dictating how adult-minor sexual relations quite different from incest are perceived."

Oellerich, T.D. (1998). "Identifying and Dealing with 'Child Savers'", IPT Journal.
"Kilpatrick (1992) concluded that early child and adolescent sexual experiences, unless there was force or high pressure involved, had no influence on later adult functioning regardless of the type of partner involved (i.e., relative or non-relative) or the age differences. She reported that, when she discussed her findings with professionals, they closed their ears to them. They were most closed to those findings that indicated positive reactions to these early sexual experiences and to those findings that indicated that incestuous experiences did not cause irreparable harm."

Bauserman, Robert; Rind, Bruce (1997). "Psychological Correlates of Male Child and Adolescent Sexual Experiences with Adults: A Review of the Nonclinical Literature," Archives of Sexual Behavior, 26(2), 105-141.
"Secondary consequences include reactions of others, such as parents and peers, to the sexual contacts. Feelings of guilt and shame regarding the sexual contacts, which are based on perceived violation of one’s own and others’ norms, are also addressed here.
Emotional responses of guilt were related to outcomes, with greater guilt associated with more negative responses, Haugaard and Emery (1989) and Okami (1991) both reported guilt feelings to be associated with negative evaluations of experiences. Stein et al. (1988), in their study of unwanted experience in a community sample, noted that feelings of guilt and shame were common. Risin and Koss (1987) reported that guilt feelings were more common in experiences involving fondling, which were also associated with more force and greater levels of other negative feelings. Finally, Sandfort (1984) reported that when the boys interviewed in his study were asked about negative aspects of their relationships, many cited concerns about possible negative reactions from others, such as parents, peers, and authorities.
The role of socialization in these reactions may be very important. Finkelhor (1979) and Fritz et al. (1981) both suggested that boys’ reactions may be more positive than those of girls because boys are socialized to regard sex in a more positive fashion, whereas girls receive more negative messages. Fritz et at. (1981) stated that although girls typically regarded their experiences as sexual violation, boys often regarded their experiences as sexual initiation.

Clearly, feelings of guilt and shame and concerns about negative reactions from others are associated with negative responses to early sexual contacts with adults. These responses, however, are not inherent in the sexual contact per se but rather stem from social taboos and condemnation (cf. Constantine, 1981). To the extent that boys receive more positive messages regarding sexuality, they are less likely to experience these negative emotions and to react negatively to sexual contacts."

Nelson, Joan A. (1986). "Incest: Self-Report Findings From a Nonclinical Sample," Journal of Sex Research, 22(4), 473-474.
"No force of any kind was found in 49% (68) of the reports. Yet 30% (14) of these no-force experiences were described as negative. The individuals described their otherwise consensual experiences as affected negatively by guilt or fear of social or parental disapproval, an issue which emerged repeatedly in the interviews and written responses, both positive and negative. Approximately half of the female respondents and 4% of the male respondents stated that they continued to experience conflict in regard to their incest experiences, usually associated with, if not a direct result of, guilt, even though many of the relationships had terminated many years before the report. One respondent commented, "I went crazy trying to understand how anything so good could be so bad.""

If only more empirical journals like these are accepted towards the public and not based on muh feelings. Thanks for sharing user.

Higgins, D. J., & McCabe, M. P. (2003). "Maltreatment and Family Dysfunction in Childhood and the Subsequent Adjustment of Children and Adults," Journal of Family Violence, 18(2)
Three co-published studies. In Study 1, "Parental sexual punitiveness, traditionality, family adaptability and family cohesion significantly predicted scores on 4 maltreatment scales and children's externalizing behavior problems." In Study 2, "Parental sexual punitiveness, traditionality, family adaptability, and family cohesion during childhood predicted the level of maltreatment and current psychopathology."

Go ahead and fuck other people's kids if you want. Just don't try mine. Or we gonna have words with Mr Remmington.

Coffey, P., Leitenberg, H., Henning, K., Turner, T., & Bennett, R. T. (1996). "Mediators of the long-term impact of child sexual abuse: Perceived stigma, betrayal, powerlessness, and self-blame," Child Abuse & Neglect, 20(5), pp.447-455
"Regression analyses entering only the level of sexual activity to predict the mediator variables found that level of sexual activity was related to stigma [...] The level of sexual activity was also a direct predictor o1 the GSI when entered into a regression as the sole predictor [...] However, when level of sexual activity and the mediator variables were used in combination to predict GSI, this analysis yielded an X2 of .33, F(5,168) = 16.71, p < .0000 and the only predictors that accounted for unique variance in the GSI were two of the mediators. They were stigma (B = .36), F = 17.04, p < .001 and self-blame (B = .25), F = 11.99, p < .0007. The level of sexual activity was no longer a significant predictor of the GSI score when the mediators were entered into the equation. The results of this path analysis therefore indicate that the only mediational paths in predicting adjustment on the GSI were for level of sexual activity via stigma and self-blame. [...] Because the path analysis tests a particular mediation model it is also fair to say that these results support the hypothesis that stigma and self-blame may underlie the long-term negative impact of a child sexual abuse experience. [...] Clearly feelings of self-blame and stigma regarding child sexual abuse can linger long into adulthood.

This sense of feeling ashamed, tainted, and blameworthy regarding the abuse may impact adjustment by affecting the survivor's core beliefs about their worth as a person. Struggling with these feelings may result in heightened levels of psychological distress. These findings further suggest that feelings of both stigma and serf-blame in adulthood are particularly affected by the level of sexual activity involved in the abusive experience. It may be that higher levels of sexual activity result in an increased sense of being "damaged goods" and tainted due to a greater sense of personal and societal violation. Certainly society considers intercourse to be the most taboo form of sexual contact with children."

Finkelhor, D. & Browne, A. (1985). "The traumatic impact of child sexual abuse: A conceptualization," American Journal of Orthopsychiatry, 55 (4), 530-541.
Three of the four "tramagenic dynamics" proposed by Finkelhor for child sexual abuse are related to Western society's conceptualization of sex or reaction to CSA. "Betrayal refers to the dynamic by which children discover that someone on whom they were vitally dependent has caused them harm. This may occur in a variety of ways in a molestation experience. For example, in the course of abuse or its aftermath, children may come to the realization that a trusted person has manipulated them through lies or misrepresentations about moral standards. They may also come to realize that someone whom they loved or whose affection was important to them treated them with callous disregard. [...] A child who was suspicious of a father’s activities from the beginning may feel less betrayed than one who initially experienced the contact as nurturing and loving and then is suddenly shocked to realize what is really happening. Obviously, the degree of betrayal is also related to a family’s response to disclosure. Children who are disbelieved, blamed, or ostracized undoubtedly experience a greater sense of betrayal than those who are supported. [...]

Powerlessness – or what might also be called disempowerment, the dynamic of rendering the victim powerless – refers to the process in which the child’s will, desires, and sense of efficacy are continually contravened. [...] But force and threat are not necessary; any kind of situation in which a child feels trapped, if only by the realization of the consequences of disclosure, can create a sense of powerlessness. [...] Stigmatization, the final dynamic, refers to the negative connotations (e.g., badness, shame, and guilt) that are communicated to the child around the experiences and that then become incorporated into the child’s self-image. These negative meanings are communicated in many ways. They can come directly from the abuser, who may blame the victim for the activity, demean the victim, or furtively convey a sense of shame about the behavior. Pressure for secrecy from the offender can also convey powerful messages of shame and guilt. But stigmatization is also reinforced by attitudes that the victim infers or hears from other persons in the family or community. Stigmatization may thus grow out of the child’s prior knowledge or sense that the activity is considered deviant and taboo, and it is certainly reinforced if, after disclosure, people react with shock or hysteria, or blame the child for what has transpired. Children may be additionally stigmatized by people in their environment who now impute other negative characteristics to the victim (e.g., loose morals or “spoiled goods”) as a result of the molestation. [...] Some children may be too young to have much awareness of social attitudes and thus experience little stigmatization, whereas others have to deal with powerful religious and cultural taboos in addition to the usual stigma." The single non-related dynamic ("traumatic sexualization") explains responses that are considered negative because of Western society's conceptualization of sex.

Malón, Agustín (2009). "Onanism and Child Sexual Abuse: A Comparative Study of Two Hypotheses ," Archives of Sexual Behavior. In press.
This article agrees with the above analysis of Finkelhor's model: "Finkelhor and Browne (1985) hypothesized four “traumatogenic dynamics”: traumatic sexualization, deceit, defenselessness, and stigmatization, and claimed these explained the traumatic specificity of CSA, something that is different from other otherwise equally severe trauma. But even a cursory examination of these shows they are found in other than CSA experiences, all are not always present, nor are they necessarily intrinsic to the child’s experience; they are, in fact, largely extrinsic societal artifacts."

Plummer, Ken (1981). "The Paedophile's Progress: A View from Below," in Brian Taylor (ed.), Perspectives on Paedophilia, p. 227. London: Batsford.
"Studies point to the experience being without trauma and frequently mutually pleasurable ... unless, and this is an important proviso, it is 'discovered' by the family or the community. When this happens, it appears that the child can become shocked by the engulfing anger and outrage of the adult."

Henry, J. (1997). "System intervention trauma to child sexual abuse victims following disclosure," Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 12(4), 499-512.
"Results indicated that higher trauma scores, as measured by the Trauma Symptom Checklist, were related to an increased number of interviews, even when other aspects of the abuse such as seriousness were controlled for." (As cited in Investigation & Prosecution in Child Sexual Abuse)

Berliner, L., & Conte, J. R. (1995). "The effects of disclosure and intervention on sexually abused children," Child Abuse and Neglect, 19(3), 371-384.
"Having contact with a greater number of professionals following disclosure was related to greater negative impact of the abuse." (As cited in Investigation & Prosecution in Child Sexual Abuse)

Sandfort, T. (1987). Boys on their contacts with men: A study of sexually expressed friendships, New York: Global Academic Publishers, 1987.
"Great stress is placed in the literature upon the reaction of the child's environment if it comes to light that he has had sex with an adult. According to Weeks (1976) parental response is the single most important factor in determining what effect this will all have upon the child (See also Zeegers 1968, Van der Kwast 1975). Also if the discovery results in a court case this can turn the sexual contact into a negative experience." (Chapter 3)

God speed user, great journals who got here. Empirical research should always trump feelings.

This comes up very often in debates with people heavily opposed to adult-child sexual relations. Yes, obviously, you would still retain your retain your rights as a parent even if sex with children was legalized. A child cannot go on a school trip or be vaccinated without the parents' permission and the same would apply to sex.

It's actually really twisted. There's clearly a political agenda here, they don't care if they hurt innocent people or make it harder for child rape victims to cope, they just want whatever it is they're after.

Facts are facts, but when dealing with societies and policies, you have to think big.
It is most likely beneficial for society as a whole to distinguish pedophilia and condemn it, even if it's roots are not malevolent.

It's good for you OP that you have undertaken such research, and perhaps you are wise enough to know and acknowledge the truth behind this subject.
But still, I'm of the opinion, that an average human *should* think pedophilia is bad; whether it really is, or not - is irrelevant at this level.

tl;dr:
It's better to raise people on lies, if those lies make a healthier society. Especially considering those that are worthy of knowing truth will find it anyway (like OP here).

One could discuss whether stigmatizing the subject hurts society more than not stigmatizing it...

You should post some sources, but I believe you're *mostly* correct

For starters, the social stigma hurts children FAR more than any sexual act. A sexual act is a way of expressing love, and when children grow up and become functioning adults it's how they'll express love with their partner. However if at a young age you are romantically attracted to an older figure and they reciprocate, suddenly you're told that everything is bad and wrong and the person you cared about is punished and taken away and you don't understand.

Being told that an 18 year old having sex with a 17 year old is grounds for the 18 year old to be thrown in jail for 20 years sends a confusing and conflicting message to children. It simply doesn't make sense. The same applies at younger ages and with older ages. If it's a mutually enjoyable experience for a 13 year old and a 31 year old, why does it have to be MADE into a bad experience post facto?

I know a girl who was molested by her father while he was high on pain medicine when she was only 14. She said she really enjoyed the experience physically -- it felt great, she got really wet, she nearly got off, etc. She also really respected her father and viewed it less as an unwanted assault on her person and more as an opportunity to learn what it's like to be an adult and why people enjoy sex. Then when her mother found out and had her father thrown in jail it fucked her up for years. She felt like she was a terrible person for allowing it to happen and that she was messed up and needed to be locked away, as well, because she liked it. And liking something that put someone in jail must make you bad, right?

To be continued

(((Levine)))

Interesting to see so much legit sauce on this issue. Consensual sexual relationships are not normally negative experiences unless people are constantly told it was wrong. It's because it is seen as such a terrible thing that it has terrible consequences, and ironically it is the people who think they are helping who hurt the most. If people just left them alone and didn't make them feel weird or like they did something awful, they would live completely normal lives.

Continued.

That said, pedophilia isn't STRICTLY alright. Young bodies aren't fully developed and trying to shove a fully grown dick into a 4 year old will cause permanent damage to the vagina. Furthermore, until about age 8 a child's personality is still developing and they not only don't understand physical affection, but they don't have the same physical satisfaction from it.

It's not immediately incorrect to say a 30 year old can't love a 4 year old, though, if they're willing to be hands-off for several years while her body develops and ease her into relationships as she's ready.

Now while we're on the subject, let me touch on a very important error that I purposefully committed here just to drive the point home of how this is ingrained in our very language. More women than men are pedophiles (about 58%). Worse yet, the majority of children who report being abused sexually by an adult report that it was a female who abused them (95%)

Because women are naturally trusted as the care takers of children, they are seen as doing no wrong and only having the right intentions for children. However this means that women act without second-guessing their actions and perpetrate more sexual violence against children than men. They simply do what feels right, knowing that they won't get in trouble for it. In fact, only 3% of people arrested for sexual violence against children are female.

We've been trained to think of a pedophile as an older man dominating a smaller and fragile little girl, but we need to break this thinking and see the full picture: all adults are capable of harboring feelings for children, regardless of gender as well. And the image is hardly the same when you imagine an older woman pleasuring a younger boy...

To be continued (again)

Guess it won't be continued. I have to go. Sorry

not necessarily a jewish name.
although we could get into the benefits of a pedo witch hunt for jews that wish to manipulate the government of their choosing. all they have to do is plant a pedo into positions of power and then they have limitless leverage over him (or her). pizzagate was a live demonstration of this.

What would you say to the non-penetration pro-contact crowd?

I would argue that criminilazing incestuous relations between men and their underage daughters should be retained, as evidenced by the number of psychotic feminist rights activists. However, to generalize to all forms of adult-child sex is deadly. The anti-pedo movement originated as a backlash to rampant child prostitution and (would you believe it) jealous housewives and so child prostitution should also remain illegal.

Even if it was wrong and there was no consent given, the stigma undoubtledly makes it harder for rape victims to cope. Can you imagine everyone around you looking at you like you're the most damaged and corrupted person imaginable walking in their midst to be treated like they were made of glass and to be avoided?

Perhaps, but is it enough to just limit it in scope? Imo - no. We're too far gone down this path to just take a hard six.

The most scary part is crowd reaction - imagine if someone tomorrow declared it officially non-criminal.
Simply put - we are not ready. It's too much of a forbidden fruit nowadays.
And I don't mean just public opinion, I mean the resulting reaction in physical contact. It'd come in force.
Humanity has to be eased out of this hole we dug for ourselves regarding this subject. Alternatively kept here indefinitely

Declaring pedophilia officially as non-harmful - as an end-goal? Sure, why not.
As a short-term goal? A definite no. At least not large-scale.

I personally don't trust people enough to convince myself this would lead to more benefit than harm.
At least not under current global circumstances.

kys

As I said, keep a few rules in place, the ones we learned from societies prior to ours that accepted child sexuality.

>no incest
>no prostitution
>no porn for profit

rape gets you a few decades in prison, fucking a little girl so hard she can never have babies gets you beaten to death.
the rest is fair game.

remember to screenshot your response to share on facebook. if there's one thing girls like more than niggers and rich jews it's white knights like yourself

Dude. You're weird

Yes, I agree.
But even then it's not something that can happen overnight, or even over the course of a decade.

Also - we still have to ask ourselves if it's worth the trouble. After all, we have a highly functioning society with it banned and nobody seems to mind.
In a dream-scenario, it probably is.

But modern world is all about cutting costs, and this seems like something too idealistic to be worth the effort.

Don't get me wrong - I still find the idea desirable - I'm just trying to be realistic in its implementation; which is, unsurprisingly, far from realistic.

oreo

t.revolting paedophile

blah, blah, blah, where's the sweet bald pussy?

the only reason pedophilia is illegal is because women are pissed off that we'd rather fuck their daughters than them

Yes, agreed, but fuck off. Shit's fucked, we're all going to hell, who the fuck cares if you want to fuck a 12ie. All 3d underaged is disgusting anyway, in fact most 3d is disgusting. Get over yourself.

>After all, we have a highly functioning society with it banned and nobody seems to mind.

Tell that to this guy. Life in prison for a first time offense. His Lawyer was so disgusted with the sentencing that he actually went on record saying that his client should have simply raped a child. He'd have gotten less time. Statistics prove this by the way, where CP sentences get longer average sentences that people who have sex with kids.

Hi Adam Lanza, how's the afterlife with all those sexy children you shot?

This thread is why we gotta lynch people again

Are you a child rape victim? I don't think, by their nature, scientific journals can be biased. Plus, there's so many done by different people

Lol you are so dumb to just accept social rule without even reading the opposite evidence. That doesn't mean you agree it just means you're reading it and you're more aware. Honestly people like you, fucking blind and accept the first thought people shove on you, is why we need lynches.

>not worth the effort
Well the only way to implement the current solution of child sexual repression is to eliminate pedos from the gene pool. You have to breed them out, kill them off, they conflict with this tactic full blast. That's a lot of people you have to kill, user.
And then you have to do something with the sexually inclined 1% of the child population that is predisposed to seeking out adults. What's your plan for them? What about the rising rates of autism and violence correlated to child sexua repression?
You have children permitted to learn about sex from other equally inexperienced and reckless idiots their own age, but not from mature reponsible adults. You don't think that's still going to lead to problems and children getting raped? How far does this have to go and are there any real benefits to this psychosis?

Stigmatization, degradation, humiliation and ostracization of csa victims adds to the damage.

AND OF COURSE THE PEDOPHILE USES AN ANIME PICTURE, WHEN ARE WE GOING TO NUKE JAPAN FOR THE THIRD FUCKING TIME FOR GOD'S SAKE?

LET'S RAID Sup Forums FELLOW Sup ForumsROTHERS, LET'S TELL THEM TO STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM KIDS

as a pedo I can say if faggots like you and your "child sexual repression" bullshit backfires and leads to further persecution of pedos people like me are going to hunt down assholes like you, cut your fucking throats and then fuck your goddamned kids

pretty much

Touch my child and I will put so many bullet holes in you that when you get to hell, they'll use you as a cheese grater.

Sexual Preference originates from reproductive performance.

Children can't reproduce.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

don't worry, your kid probably looks like Sasquatch

You want a real life loli, don't you?

An attraction to young girls is probably the most predominant factor in the evolutionary development of human intelligence.

And you would breed this out? Children naturally have supple minds. This characteristic was recognized by our very distant ancestors. Supple minds, and also the need to breed early to insure that the race continued. These factors created us.

Let's breed them out. What a bunch of bullshit.

They want to kill you either way, friendo. Just the fact that you have this attraction is an issue enough to warrant your removal. Even if you convince people that "hey I don't do anything so it's okay" they'll still want you to voluntarily castrate yourself and you'd probably do it too.
I swear only anti-contact pedos are deluded enough to think there's a difference between wanting the act and the acceptability of the act.

Nah man, I'd ask for your permission and if you declined I'd politely leave.

Collateral damage. Unjust punishment for the sole purpose of upholding the system.
What can I say? Sure *they* mind, but so do the civilians caught up in the middle of the war zone.

Of course it's wrong, but there's so many more things to consider that we're ready to file it up under "collateral damage". Sad but true.
Yes it'd be better if it were changed. But there's so many bigger fish to fry - is it really a priority?

I consider current overall situation as current solution; not the idea behind it of completely eradicating child sexuality.
A lot of resources are committed but it's "held at bay"; it's been already taken to an extreme, why push it any further?

It's not black and white, it's not complete eradication and total liberation. Where on that scale does current situation (note: not system) lie?
*That's* the thing that takes the least effort to implement, and *that's* the system against changing of which we have to measure effort it takes to implement something else.

It's easy to point flaws in something we have to deal with daily, it's pretty hard to point flaws in ideas. How do you know the world would be better off that way?
Are we really in a position to undermine such drastic change without suffering consequences? I say no. No, we're not.

By that logic we should never have sex that doesn't lead to impregnating a woman then and there?

Many adult-child sexual interactions are coercive or forced due to strong asymmetry between the parties, and in this case there is well proven psychological harm.

But many are not coercive, and it is kind of an open secret that in this case there is no evidence of any psychological harm.

Studies of people who were "molested" (as self-reported) show that any harm strongly correlates not with "molestation" itself but with presence of violence in addition to sex acts.

Most intelligent people and people in the academia know this and thats why you get occasional panicky media articles about "omg, scientist said pedophilia is natural". Sadly society is not ready for such revelation yet.

You anime fans are all sick fucks, you should never leave your house for the sake of the children living near you. Who knows, you might finally snap and finally rape those 5 year olds you dream all the time. Sick bastards, do a favor to the world and hang yourselves.

>It's not black and white, it's not complete eradication and total liberation. Where on that scale does current situation (note: not system) lie?
Well this is essentially where we're at. One extreme vs the conflation of pedo rights activists with the opposite extreme. While it's undeniable your side wants to kill us all (aka you're extremist psychos) our side wants to liberate children sexually but with severe restrictions. I have listed them already. No prostitution, porn for profit, incest, rape or physical injury.

>voluntarily castrate yourself and you'd probably do it too.

In what fantasy of yours, fagboy? I know the dangers of being a pedo and live accordingly
go lop off your own dick, faggot

Is there such a thing as sex without a power imbalance or are you a virgin?

>all this samefag copypasta
>thinking anyone is actually going to read it
>thinking it's going to make any difference in the world

I've been watching the discussions on reddit and tumblr. Anti-contact pedos vehemently agree that YES YES I SHOULD NOT EXIST I'M A GENETIC DEFECT PLEASE KILL ME SENPAI

>reddit and tumblr.

The mouth is the first sexual zone of babies. Meaning, they derive pleasure -- which we call sexual because we admit that sex/copulation/reproduction is the aim of the human's life, from an evolutionary and biological standpoint -- from their mouth. This makes more sense when you also consider that they must feed and suck on titties.

Next the anus.

After the anus, the genitals.

At this point, they want to masturbate and then they want to share this experience and explore with their mothers. The girls originally want to explore with their mothers more, too, but switch attention to their father.

The parents reject this in their children, in our society, and the children repress their sexual natures. This is a deep trauma which shapes the rest of our lives.

Adolescent girls, for example, will be very vicious towards each other when they see another girl their age or younger displaying suggestive behavior. This is a response which grew from the repression of their own sexual life.

Puberty means their bodies make them horny, so children become interested in sex again. They will now have their peers to talk to about it, and will see how their peers act in general. Also in general, their peers will not have very open dialogue with their parents or adults in general. They become teens with a cynical view of sexuality and humanity, and this is the attitude that will predominate in their lives.

Nice try Quincy

pix or it didn't happen

Sir, I don't want to "kill you all".
In fact, I'm not vouching for either side right now.
As I said many times in this thread - what OP is presenting being common knowledge is an ideal we should strive towards.
But ideal is just that - an ideal.

All I'm saying is that both sides of the argument have a point.
I'm not anti-pedo and I'm not pro-pedo either.
In this argument you could say I'm pro status-quo.

Everything comes at a cost, and since we're talking about psychology - I'm bringing a very important aspect to the table: psychology of the society.
Our heads are already messed up by the ideas governments are trying to enforce on us.
Are we (as a humanity) really in a position to undertake even more confusing (on a socio-psychological level) changes?
Perhaps. But the risk is high and we know from history the results could be disastrous (heck, we're still dealing with the consequences nowadays).

Don't fix what's not broken.
And no, it's not broken - it's not perfect either.
It's damaged, inefficient, but it works.

What OP suggests is perfect, but ideas tends to be perfect, and I'm very wary of that.
All I'm asking you, is for you to be wary of that too.

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"everybody has sexual attraction to children"
im pretty sure im not a pedo mate.

"sexual" doesn't mean you want to fuck.

Sex is the aim of life, and sexuality is inescapable. It is who you are, and that's that.

I understand you don't use the term that way. But it's similar to trying to explain to a child why "penis" and "vagina" are not curse words or "bad" words.

This is high-quality bait that generated a rather interesting discussion. Much respect for OP, even if I personally disagree.

Too many white knights ITT
Make a valid argument so you don't look like your trying to get invisible pussy

I said i wasnt a pedo, and that shows i dont have sexual attraction to children,
Also it doesnt matter how the children are hurt,
If you did something and it caused them pain its your fault, stop trying to justify your actions and make it seem like what your doing is fine.

Heres a guide to help you atone for what you did/done/will/considered.

Step 1: Grab rope.
Step 2: Attach to height
Step 3: Tie around neck
Step 4: Jump off height
Its not like anyone wants you here.

No one is trying to justify anything.

We are presenting ideas and data.

You're the only one suggesting hurting anyone.

A cheese pizza bait thread with no pizza in sight. Sup Forums is off its game

Keep telling that to yourself,pedo shit

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"Very few children are harmed by sexual encounters with adults or peers"
"Very few"
Yep, thats why alot of people sexually abused as children get depressed years later.
And you wanna know something?
I was one of those kids, i was sexually abused at a young age and grew depressed, i never asked for it or wanted it but it happened.
You ever heard "Daddy" by KoRn?
Yep, its a song about being sexually abused from the singers childhood.

Take it from someone who has seen it firsthand,
Checkmate fag.

We get it you want to have sex with children.

I love you

Kill yourself then.

That's actual abuse.

There's such thing as sexual encounters without abuse.

When it comes to children, it's like being a virtuous drug dealer.

It is outlawed and there is no beaten path to walk, there is no advice you may seek and no friends you may talk to, no examples of how to do it right.

The light of your righteousness makes it impossible to see what is already prohibitively dark to the average person.

I'm sorry you were abused as a child. A real pedophile does not seek to harm children, and would hunt down child rapists as much as the next guy would. More so, in fact.

pedophilia means you love children, not you rape them, don't care about their feelings or insecurities, don't care about their relationship to their parents or how your relationship to them affects their perspective on life or how your influence changes their attitude towards their parents, etc.

If I were a real pedo, I'd have better info for you. But I know enough to want to defend them.

However, definitely not defending the asshole who raped you. Just need to make that clear.

Hope he gets what he deserves.

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Abuse is abuse and it does change things, usually with sexual abuse splitting happens, and it's sometimes not about the actual act, it's how the abuser has made you feel and the impacts it has on you as you grow up, like what defences you have because of it etc, what's happened to me is I ended up protecting other people's boundaries, without even thinking about my own, complicated stuff, as it's mad how your brain deals with it