Will we witness the rise of Chinese Football in the upcoming years?

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No

Chinese football as in Chinese footballers? No. Chinese cannot into sports that aren't pingpong and gymnastics.

All Star Merc league in China? Yes.

they are closer to being 'good' at apehoop than they are at povertyball

Have you seen how their world cup qualifying is going? HINT: not good

They are getting worse. Doping can't make you control a ball so they can't cheat like they do at the Olympics.

As long as there is no global champions league? Nope. Best players will always flock to urop.

Chinks will prove that they are European by bribing UEFA so they can play CL.

Yeah, right after they win the gold medal in the mile relay.

GTFO

Unless Japan shits the bed in WCQ, probably not

Nah. The chinks only care about meme Olympic sports.

russia, kazakhstan and azerbaijan are already in uefa, whats stopping china?

>Will we witness the rise of Chinese Football in the upcoming years?

You mean soccer? Because Chinese and Asians in general are usually too small to play football.

Like english football?

I'm wondering when Euro Slavs will get into football, as it seems like the game would appeal to them.

Being geographically located in Europe is a pretty big reason for that. I can forgive not knowing that Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan are in Europe, but way too many people truly believe that Russia isn't in Europe.

The one you should be questioning is Israel being in UEFA, but that's because there would be Holy wars every game if they stayed in the AFC.

Just like The United States of America?

until the current leader gets purged

its mls #2

No.

China already warned clubs that if this keeps going they're going to limit the spendings of clubs, the amount of money is just stupid

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>Tfw decided upon learning Chinese instead of German at Uni
>Brexit
>All that sweet sweet chinese investment
>Chinks obsessed with snooker and football
>12 months in Shanghai this year so hopefully making some connections

I don't think I will struggle finding work after uni

tfw no rich american brough football to my country in the 90s so I could be training to get drafted now

>povertyball

still waiting for the chinese explosion that was predicted in basketball

Their market bubble is going to pop soon, just like Japan in the 80s.

too poor

American Football has some small following here (Warsaw Eagles) but I'd say throughout Slavia rugby has a better following because it's viewed as a tough old game.

i wish rugby was more popular here desu

>>All that sweet sweet chinese investment
you realize they are just using your country to get money out of their shithole right?
>12 months in Shanghai
enjoy the lung cancer

>seething this hard

Lmfao we don't even try in the Olympics and still end up with more gold than the rest of the world.

>B-B-But muh per capita

better than American Football?

youtube.com/watch?v=X2goYUJpq9k

They are the best...

>forever

hi newfriend :^)

>Learning Mandarin
You deserve everything you'll get

No, a culture can't just form ovsrnigjt. Plus chinks are physically smaller and weaker

m8 they have 2 billion people and their middle class is more populous than our hemisphere

i don't think you understand macroecon

>Lmfao we don't even try in the Olympics and still end up with more gold than the rest of the world.

Tyrone, go back and make Africa great again.

>leaf

there might be some good chinese players one day but we're a log way off from that.
only two places have a shot at ultimate football glory: europe and south america. it will stay that way for the next 100 years. the gap is too large. sorry.

No. Japan and Middle East did the same thing.

There already is and it's a huge meme
>club world cup

thse fags should play baseball, it's perfect for them. the japs and gooks and their island brothers all do it.

China can't into team sports. They're too autistic and can't into adaptation and spur-of-the-moment creativity.

Except that Japan can produce some talent in the sport.

It's more about actually having it to be popular. Team sports can't be nourished by overtraining select talented people and pumping them with steroids in secret like in individual sports, you need to actually have them be enjoyable enough for people to play them to be good at them and develop in competitive environment. For USSR and Russia sport is a means to distract people from how bad life in the country is. So they have really hard time with team sports since they can't even make them profitable and sink money into them instead.
Having restriction on the number of foreign players is a problem too because it means any semi-competent local player can be employed with a huge salary due to not many spots for locals being available and basically you don't even need to try too hard to improve because semi-competent local players are in very hard demand. But without said restrictions all team would be 11 foreigners since they're artificially infused with money.
I mean, in football academies in Russia parents often bribe coaches so they kid can grow up to be a footballer and become extremely rich, they treat it like an investment. Of course kids with various connections get promoted too. Commie countries just work that way.

There's an expression in some parts of Florida, where entire towns are either expected to make NFL prospects or prisoners for correctional facilities. Either way, sports are a great alternative for very desperate people.

:3

It's called "NFL or Jail"

Hey, they produced arguably the best woman footballer of all time, and came damn close to a World Cup with her. The men's game's obviously a different animal, but they at least have a blueprint in their 90s women's team.

They were in the AFC for a long time, in fact the AFC was better for them since the Arabs kept boycotting them (see. forfeiting matches) and they kept getting free qualifiers.

Turkey also got into UEFA by refusing to play AFC matches

Because Azeri and Kazakh teams were in the USSR league system which was in UEFA but, some SSRs like Tajikistan and Krygzstan joined the AFC.

Getting bored of these threads, so I'm going to make a long wall of text to explain it all as far as I've experienced. I taught English in China for about 5 years until September of last year, which is obviously only a small part but I can tell you what I have experienced and heard locally.

>Context

The first thing to bear in mind is that China has a major advantage over most countries when it comes to developing football, along with the obvious one of having lots of money. Long-term government support. The CCP is known for its decades long programmes in various areas, and it can afford to carry them out because there is no danger of them being voted out. Try anything like that out in any democracy and the next government will just try and change everything for populism's sake. What is the plan I hear you ask, well it goes something like this.

>Goals:
1. To be an Asian power by 2030
2. To be a global power by 2050

Steps:

>Step 1. Get people interested in the sport at all
The first issue is that literally nobody plays football in China. My school didn't even have a football pitch until my last few months when one was built, and that wasn't uncommon. Kids play basketball on lunchbreak and in their spare time when they're not at school. So what is the easiest way to get people to care about football at all? Sign lots of expensive foreign players of course. China is probably the most materialistic place I've ever been, so to them how expensive a player is relative to the global market (however good or bad they may be) is incredibly important in making people take notice, it also helps with step 2.

>Step 2. Let parents know Football is a viable career choice
At the minute, no mother in their right mind will let their child waste time playing football when they can be doing hours of extra cramming in their spare time, or extra English lessons, or learning an instrument etc. By flooding the league with money it makes parents feel slightly less nervous about someone who is clearly talented follow up their skill. As I said previously money is prestige in China which is incredibly important to parents, so even if there is the perception of money from others even if your kid isn't actually earning it, only the foreigners are it doesn't matter.

>Step 3. Hire as many European sports scientists, physicians, and coaches as possible to train locals
This area is as important as the players, and there is just as big a push in it is happening as in any other. There is a realisation that Chinese methods have always been about winning at all costs, so there is a lot of time wasting, choosing the biggest players and generally concentrating on anything but football to win. The CCP wants to install a new culture by there being a constant stream of European ideas taught to Chinese coaches so that their outdated methods can be left behind. This isn't only at pro level either, just before I left I was put in touch with a Spaniard who was working with a big youth setup in Beijing to try and help him settle in.

Obviously they'll edit things as they develop, but all of these things, incentivised by the government through tax breaks and help with business in other areas are part of a whole wider strategy for improvement. I'll be interested to see how they get on.

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It won't work, or at least it will take several decades before it can actually work. You see people tend to forget that you can't just create a competitive football league out of nowhere by the sheer power of mad dosh. Competitions, and organisations in general require structure and a supporting environment that gives the competition the optimal conditions to become a great competition. If you don't have that structure and environment you just can't create a sucessful organisation. Now the point is that those sucessful sporting competitions require a certain environment and structure that is truly more representative in western societies (clubs led as a modern corporation with a governance structure comparable to other forms of private organisations in the west, an innovation-supporting culture, democratically-based decision making procedures and technocratic tendencies ( not the big boss, but the actual expert of the field has the biggest influence on his specific field of knowledge)).

Now if you take this all into account you can see why modern sport competitions flourish on a global scale in western societies, but not in non-western societies. Hell, the arab countries and Russia have been trying this 'shower them in $$$'-strategy for decades and they are still at best midtable leagues on a european scale, the chinese just do it with even more money.

See The aim is to be the global football power in 35 years, not right now.

China is simply this decade's Russia. The russian league was supposed to be fucking huge and good, especially when around the mid of the 00s they won a EL.

Kazakhstand and Azerbaijan are not in europe, only UEFA thinks they are.

It's different though, they have a stable, long term plan which isn't mostly focussed on the league at all, the foreign players are a means to an end to get people interested, nothing more. The ultimate aim is to improve Chinese footballers.

I can see that heppening, but the problem still stands that they also need some massive social engineering of their society if they want to end up with a global competitive sports league, which I don't see happening. You and I both know that chinese often have a bit of a 'hurrr, throw $$$ at it then it will work'-mentality, that by just using enough money everything will become possible, but you need a lot more than that.

>you need a lot more than that.
You need time and money, nothing else. Spending money well is the hard part.

>the foreign players are a means to an end to get people interested, nothing more. The ultimate aim is to improve Chinese football
Which is, incidentally what Japan did with J-league like 20 years ago. Japan by the time of J-league inception was still better than China is now though, so maybe in 20 years China can qualify for the world cup.

As I say that is exactly the plan though. Xi Jinping laid out a long term root and branch reform of the approach to football right from the school level, through youth support and then ultimately to the clubs themselves. The plan was built in 2013, and I started to see the effects personally by the time I left China towards the end of last year with football becoming a major part of the sports curriculum for the first time, and new facilities built at my school.

And it worked, people in Japan are now playing football on a far more regular basis. That is exactly the model they are copying with that hoped outcome. The way they hope to put themselves beyond Japan is in everything else, which the Chinese government is in a much better position to incentivise as they cannot be voted out, and that is the plan.

>The chinks only care about meme Olympic sports.
they invested billions in football in the last couple of years you idiot

you moron

Great misconception. Yes, money is definitely an important factor but if you don't have the required social structure around it, it will lead to nothing. Let's take an example in the organisational structure of top football. Top european teams have generally speaking a relatively technocratic system, in which chairman respect the expertise of certain experts, so interference, even though it definitely happens, is relatively minimal on the technical aspects of top football. The glazers won't demand the implementation of a new form of condition training. Of course they have a final say in it, but usually they respect the skills and expertise of the technical staff when it comes to such matters.

In China, the boss is the boss. And because of the confucianistic system, every person listens to the boss no matter how retarded his ideas might be. Don't think that your average chinese chairman will feel limited by the fact that he barely understands training schedules, he will still use his authority in this area as well. Behavior like this limits the chances on creating a fertile ground for innovative thinking, which is absolutely essential if ou ant to be competitive in global football.

>And it worked, people in Japan are now playing football on a far more regular basis.
If that is the goal then sure. But if Japan wanted to become a powerhouse to compete with Europe and South America that certainly has not happened. Despite 20 years passing since the J-league boom, they are about on par with weaker Euro teams.

And this is for a country that was close to World Cup qualification 1993, and had the likes of Nakata and Nakamura playing by the mid 90s. So football was already somewhat popular by J-leagues creation. You could argue Japan qualifying for 1998 and Nakata, Ono, Nakamura playing in Europe did more to raise consciousness as well. But how long before China can do something similar in that?

In the past 40 years we had 1 real innovative thinking, and that was Pep's Barça. Every other improvement was based on improving something that's already there.

>If that is the goal then sure.

You seem to have ignored my post lol, that is PART of the goal. The first part, they can't do amy of the other improvements if nobody is playing to begin with. By getting people playing at all they can move from there.

That is completely incorrect with regards to foreign coaches in the CSL incidentally. Pellegrini, Lippi or Menezes are not being told how to train their players. There is an understanding at all levels of football in China that they are shit at it and need foreign help.

Football has had some massive changes over the last 40 years. Just think about the general improvement of the physical capabilities of players, the usage of modern technology like video analysis and big data analysis ( albeit the last one is still at an infant stage) and the branding and commercialisation of clubs on a global scale. These are just some quick examples. You need a lot of things to create a globally competititve sport league, really.

But those are not innovative thinking, they are improvements on old things and inevitable effects of technology.

I agree that there is definitely a lot of respect for some foreign coaches, but you need way, waayyy more than just a handful of foreign coaches. Chinese have tons respect for well-known foreign people like Lippi or Pellegrini, but you also need tons of european no-names if you want to implement this. And I doubt the respect for those will be at a similar level

The application of those is exactly the essence of innovation. Innovation in itself is nothing more than combining certain forms of thinking with each oterh to create something new. But you actually need the liberty and support to do that. Chinese culture is very focused on harmony, and thus it is way more hostile against innovations ( because innovations lead to disruptions, and disruptions destroy harmony) than western cultures.

I hope not.

>but you also need tons of european no-names if you want to implement this. And I doubt the respect for those will be at a similar level

I think you underestimate the view of foreign assistance in China, in many ways purely by being foreign in a field that China is poor at you have that social cache. It has been their entire model for development since they opened their economy in the 70s, Japanese investment in Chinese agriculture being the biggest one. Japanese companies were invited to come and invest in under developed land in China, bring their expertise and technology, teach the locals how to use these methods themselves, and then take home the profits in a win-win deal.

They are now just extending this method to football, with slight alterations of course. There is genuine understanding in Chinese society when they are not good at something and need help to improve, since refusal of help historically led to famine after famine and tens of millions of deaths in 200 years alone.

this

china isn't what it used to be for a long ass time - lets just give exorbitant amounts of money of foreigners who we hate to make them play under the chinese flag - lets breed a group of football players together and treat them like cattle and if they underperform in anyway shape or form or start to think individually we discard them like trash and find other babies that will do this.

In another 25 years or so, gene therapy is going to be a MASSIVE thing in china, and not only the good samaritan side too, they will literally engineer babies and rob them completely of their humanity.

I'm not a DNA purist/naturalist, but if you do 1+1, you can see how far china will take this.

rip sun yat sen

I think I have to agree with you on the point that foreign assistance is indeed much more respected whenever the chinese know they lack the required expertise, because indeed the importing of foreign expertise has been a trick they have used for multiple decades. However, I still think that the changes in society required for developping a globally competitive sport league are so fundamentally contradictory to the traditional chinese approach, that I just won't see this becoming a success. Indeed, it is alo true that this is a long term project but how longer a plan takes to implement, the less chances there are at actually succeeding with its implementation, even more whenever the starting goals are so depending on the personal preferences of the leading powers at that time.

Yeah certainly I have my doubts about how it will turn out, but I also genuinely believe this is the best put together plan for success in world football I have ever seen, with support at all levels, so I'll be very interested to see how it turns out.

Shanghai isn't that bad, you'd know if you ever left your basement

Beijing and Tianjin on the other hand...

prolly why Polaks are so dumb

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