King of Ad Hominem Attacks Right Here

>be Sup Forums
>hate ad hominem attacks
>worship a candidate who won a campaign mocking people's heights/appearances/speech

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>leaf

Insults are not ad homs.

Pretty sure he kicked their asses on policy too.

Who cares as long you win.

did you have some sort of point you were planning on making?

How is an insult ad hominem if there's no argument being presented to attack?

yes, yes they are are
they may or may not be FALLACIES, but they are ad hominem attacks

except when factual and relevant, then just correct arguments

only that I've just stumped Sup Forums and their demagogue.
>Be Trump
>Be told you have no tangible ideas
>Mock opponents appearance

Trumpfags are the cancer of this board

Every single one is a reddit immigrant, mods need to go in trump general threads where they all gather and mass ban these autists

Initially I just thought it was funny to see the Liberals get a taste of their own bullshit. I was hoping he would tune it down after he won the nomination, unfortunately it doesn't look like he will. If he doesn't Clinton is going to win. We fucked up

you dont even know what stumped means

you just threw a nerf ball at a brick wall and declared that you cracked it

also learn to greentext

for example, here im going to stump you:

LOL YOURE SHIT HEAD!
NOW YOURE ON SUICIDE WATCH

yeah, see, youre entirely stumped

owned.

>make cruel comment about opponent
>opponent stutters in disbelief
>'STUMPED'

What ad hominem?

are you mentally retarded?

"ad hominem"
"to the man"

2 things:
ad hominem
AND
ad hominem FALLACY
i made this clear here:

retarded
a: ad hom fallacy
b: just ad hom
c: ad hom fallacy
d: just ad hom

1.
(of an argument or reaction)

Your little infographic is incorrect. Bringing someone's appearance into a debate is absolutely ad hominem. Trump has no real ideas. He literally smirks and says 'wow, more energy tonight, Jeb'.

That's ad hominem, retard

Ad hominem is the ad hominem fallacy. Ad hominem is attacking the argument by looking at the character presenting the argument (hence the name). An insult is just an insult.

Wrong. Ad homs are fallacies and insults are only fallacies if you in an argument and simultaneously fail to back up your claims.

he deflects questions with insults constantly. You all just give him a pass. SAD.

ad hominem fallacy is the ad hominem fallacy

ad hom alone is just ad hom, synon. w/ insult

2 different things, we've already been over this

inb4
>i didnt know this therefore not true

ad hom same as insult if NOT used to attack opponents argument, but just to ridicule

its a FALLACY if the attack of their character implies is affects their argument

Fuck off you shameless faggot! You're only making us all look bad!

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>leaf
Dude weed l m a o
Maybe I should sell all my gold, so I can be on your good side.

^That's ad hom.

You're a dumbass, because you don't understand what ad hom is. Ad hom is devaluing the argument by using the character of the party presenting it as the reason for the argument being wrong. An insult, especially one derived by how you act, that is just tacked on, but not used as a reason for your argument being wrong is just an insult, dummy.

^That's an argument with insults, yet no ad hom.

>Ad homs are fallacies and insults are only fallacies if you in an argument and simultaneously fail to back up your claims.

shit i didnt even notice
you even got THAT meaning wrong

whether you back up your claims or not does not change anything youve said into a fallacy nor into a non-fallacy

Ad Hominem: This guy can't be president because look at the way he eats

Insult after Injury: Kasich shouldn't continue the race at this point, he's only doing it to try to steal votes.. and that's votes from me! He's trying to steal my votes when he stays in this race... and he doesn't even get them! He's useless at this point. I have never seen such a mess in my life, like look at the way he eats.. He just shoves it in, I have never seen something so disgusting in my life. EVERY INTERVIEW he's eating. Not even nicely. Little bites, Kasich, little bites.

>That's an argument with insults, yet no ad hom. FALLACY

ftfy

the second one has ad hom's (insults)

all ad hominem fallacies are insults, not all ad hominems\insults are fallacies

learn the difference

But you are dead wrong. Ad hom is always a type of fallacy. Dont argue semantics.

the insult after injury could correct (though oddly) also be phrased: "ad hom. after injury"

though not fallacious by personal attacks

ITT: people not knowing what an ad hominem is

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

>butthurt randlet detected

>Trump deflects questions/arguments with insults in order to silence his opponents
pointless trying to get this across to them. They are willfully ignorant of Trump's fallacious campaign. Proof most people are okay with ad hominem when it benefits them

Nah just this guy:

>Jeb asks question
>'more energy tonight Jeb, I like it'
>STUMPED

That is ad hominem. You are confused here. Cognitive dissonance.

>2016
>not being an autist
Shiggly diggly dangarino

example of ad hominem:
>you're poor, so how can you criticize rich people?

example of insult:
>lol what a poorfag

LEARN THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE

A compliment is ad hominem now?

You can't even stick to your own made up definition.

>Ad hom is always a type of fallacy.

not always, can be, can be just a personal jab

depends on this:
"ad hom" meaning fallacy just ambiguously omits "fallacy"

ad hom fallacy is a type of fallacy

ad hom without fallacy is just a personal attack, synon. with insult

ive made this crystal clear in several posts, making it as simple as possible

>semantics

>isnt everything

yes, lets play ad hoc definitions like "blacks cant be racist"

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No one is being paid to shill for Hillary by the way. It's a Republican-funded lie and a pathetic attempt to smear her campaign.

thats ONLY the fallacy

yeah so you learned something today
shoot the messenger

read the thread.

>backhanded compliment
Jesus Christ. The mental gymnastics.

>2016
>a fucking leaf still shitposting poorly
>he might even really believe this

Calling Mitt a loser choke artist is facts not ad homs.

Politics is about winning, dumbfuck.

>backhanded compliment

Mental gymnastics... Changing the argument... So much fallacy...

are you a native England-speak speaker?
Cause surprise surprise, words and phrases can have multiple meanings! change spelling and ad or take away words and meaning changes!
magic!
"ad hom cannot mean anything but ad hom fallacy"

ad hom means personal attack, fallacy means fallacious

separate they have separate meanings, together they have a combined meaning

i hope youre not just shitbaiting

I am now a #JebHead

when did you get the impression we hate ad hom you fucking nigger leaf faggot kike

>read the thread

You are the only retard here that is claiming that ad homs are just insults. Every fucking definition of the word starts out "...is a logical fallacy..." how can you argue otherwise?

tru now i'm a #Berniegurney

heh

3/10
pat yourself on your back

it doesn't matter, because Trump has used both, anyway.
>Go back to Univision
>More energy tonight, Jeb

Two examples of him attack peoples personas to end arguments.

Sup Forums will support Trump no matter what because he's the edgy candidate.

Also, samefagging this hard. Best way to troll is to argue semantics, eh?

Allow me to correct you

>"Your argument is invalid BECAUSE you are an asshole"
^ This is ad hom

>"Your argument is invalid, AND you are an asshole"
^ This is not ad hom

Please learn the difference

>no awoo

out out out

Yet, the source clearly says that ad hominem is short for argumentum ad hominem, which is the fallacy.

You are a dumbass, if you can't read a simple source.

Ad hominem is an attack in lieu of an argument. An insult is not by default ad hominem. You can be both wrong AND an asshole, which is frequently the case with his opposition.

>You are the only retard here that is claiming that ad homs are just insults.

never said that
they can be, or they can be fallacious
depends on if they are... fallacious

this is not quantum physics

>..is a logical fallacy..."

not arguing otherwise
the fallacy is the fallacy

when it is not, it is "to the man", without the fallacy

this is so mundane i cant believe you still feign ignorance:
when you subtract the FALLACY part, then its not a fallacy!

>but original coiners of the term probably/didnt intend or think of that

or

>most people books dont include that

"to the man" is the personal attack part of it
by its meaning alone without the "fallacy" part this makes it congruent with "insult"/"personal attack"

He doesn't know what he's talking about, but Trump has done both regardless -as I've given examples of earlier in the thread.

/thread

So, you agree that it's a compliment? Or are you gonna say a mole cricket is a mole too?

>backhanded compliments are compliments
g8 b8 m8

Good thing "ad hominem" is Latin and not English.

i never same fagged
samefagging is replying to yourself to make yourself look good assuming/hoping no one notices

>^ This is not ad hom FALLACY

there, now youve got it

yes, when it is fallacious, it is fallacious, when not, it is not
try this: x =2 when x=2, when x=1 then x!=2

typo
*they can be, or they can be fallacious

=
*they may or may not be

So I guess mole crickets aren't moles, and spider monkeys aren't monkeys.

>A backhanded compliment, also known as a left-handed compliment or asteism, is an insult that is disguised as a compliment.

GR8B8M8 allow me to indulge you, fagget, for the sake of the many retards who might actually think you're anything more than a troll.

its quite clear if have a modicum of reading comprehension

"fallacy" is usually implied, but left out it is ambiguous

try it in english "to the man" i.e. "personal attack"/"insult" FALLACY

take off the fallacy and what do you have?

just whats left, an insult

you are shooting the messenger for pointing out a meaning of a sub phrase

fallacy of many questions

english has many latin/germanic\greek etc terms
ad hominem is a loan phrase

Where in the hell are you getting your definition from? Because everyone from my published AP English teacher in highschool to wikipedia to every other definition and source I find says ad hominem is the fallacy and that an insult is an insult.

Can we stop arguing about the definition? He's met the criteria for both.

Sup Forums stumped

/thread

>An insult is not by default ad hominem. FALLACY

ftfy

insult or personal attack is just "ad hominem" without "argumentum", tho not perfect, suffices

I find that logical fallacies sticky on this board very ironic.

Except he hasn't. Your example of an ad hom was him complimenting the guac man.

You're right about the definition, but you're wrong if you still think Trump hasn't used the fallacy.

Except ad hominem is short for argumentum ad hominem by definition. Lern 2 reed buddy.

tryhardfagget has no more arguments. Still has the best b8 tho. Gotta give you that

Jokes on you faggot, I've never even been to reddit.

You say I'm wrong, yet don't source your argument on how you're right. The burden of proof is on you since you're the one making the claim.

This is politics, not philosophy you dirty fucking chink. Its a shitfest where people aim to be elected by popular vote.

>>A backhanded compliment, also known as a left-handed compliment or asteism, is an insult that is disguised as a compliment.

I already gave you this definition, you dumb ass faggot

yes true, ad hominem fallacy is the fallacy, its often ambiguously left out (the word fallacy, left out, just implied), as ive stated

but when purposely and explicitly stated without "fallacy" is necessarily no more or less than synonymous with insult/personal attack by virtue of the simple meaning of the original latin

argumentum ad hominem
ad hominem
each word and possible phrase has its own meaning
im not disputing what the 1st, as we call "ad hom fallacy" that is incontrovertible

just that ad hom (alone, nothing more implied or meant) "to the man" == insult/personal attack

depending on its usage as described here:

and a source for your faggety ass google.ca/search?q=backhanded compliment&oq=backhanded compliment&aqs=chrome..69i57.2943j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

More of Hilla the Cunt troll army, here in an attempt to destabilize /pol

Won't work faggots

Huma Abiden is top nigger , Donald is going to hang her and the rest of the Shillary crew

Trains coming niggers

This is the first time I'm seeing you give any definitions in this whole thread. And how do you knownit was a back-handed compliment and not a real compliment? Trump is an abrasive guy, because he's a shark. Just because you FEEL something is one way doesn't mean it is.

I gave the same definition to you here. You fucking dumb ass. Literally a carbon copy

It doesn't take an argument to insult someone you stupid syrup suckling asian fuckface

Ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a logical fallacy in which an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.[2]

Ad hominem reasoning is not always fallacious, for example, when it relates to the credibility of statements of fact or when used in certain kinds of moral and practical reasoning.[3]

Fallacious ad hominem reasoning is normally categorized as an informal fallacy,[4][5][6] more precisely as a genetic fallacy, a subcategory of fallacies of irrelevance.

Literally the first three paragraphs.

>sourcing yourself

I'm just gonna stop responding to you, because there is no way you're not just some edgy kid on here baiting people because school's out for the summer.

>accuses me of fee fees

Give me a break you autist

"short for"
yes, often but not necessarily
thats all

we've been over this several times

just because that is the phrase you know in a language foreign to you, like a foreigner knowing "fuck you" or "where is airport" does not mean the words cannot be used alone, does not ironclad the phrase as being immutable (unchangeable)

"argumentum ad hom"
is unambiguous
"ad hom"
alone CAN be, but not always, when simply referring to the former
as it is in latin, and not just as a loan phrase

All this anti trump support comes from out of country

Here's my thoughts

- foreigners genuinely afraid of emperor trump (good, you should be and fuck you he's out guy not yours)

- OR...Shillary troll army using TOR or whatever, exit nodes are in these shitty foreign lands

Which tells me people are willing to do whatever for her (the cunt) but are afraid they'll be found out

Rightfully so, I hope someone takes up the effort to track these paid trolls down

>source for definition of back-handed compliment instead of source for Trump using ad hom (the source I asked you for)

Is Trudeau not funding the schools?

Funny how a conservative can do that and be winning now, yet the dems keep doing it and lose support.

I don't even hate Trump. I think he's hilarious. I'm pointing out that Sup Forums pretends he doesn't constantly use ad hominem fallacy

ive covered all that

especially see latest:
>>sourcing yourself

no im going to just copy and paste the whole thing

>edgy

not what that means
damn so angry at the messenger

all you have is "books" with one established meaning for one phrase i havent touched

all we are talking about here is
"ad hom" without argumentum/fallacy
the whole issue you cant grasp is this:
it is most often implied with, but need not be

>feels a compliment from the Don is backhanded
>says they're not using feelings and then uses an isult (ad hom by your definition) in thread you started over ad hom use being bad

These mental gymnastics here.

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Well, only pussies would think a compliment was an insult.

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