White Bear isn't the most fucked up episode of Black Mirror

>White Bear isn't the most fucked up episode of Black Mirror

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Whats the point of fucking around with criminals like that if they don't even remember anything

It sucked.

It's like the one episode that has no rewatchability because the entire episode hinges on le epic twist. It's also the shallowest of the episodes

The one where the guy's waifu is doing porn is better.

It's a lot more realistic, though. The one you're mentioning works well as speculative fiction, but White Bear is a lot closer to reality.

punishments that are meted out to criminals are always as much about society and the rest of us as they are about punishing the criminal. What we do to them has to also make us feel better that we aren't them, to the extent that our feelings towards their punishment are more important than the actual subject being punished.

Arpaio's prison is a good example of that. His prison is one hundred percent about the performance and not at all about creating a deterrent or a place of rehabilitation. It's all about, "look at these bad people, and look at how humiliated and degraded they are." As if they become less human by virtue of their having committed a crime.

>sociopath society
most terrifying episode in my opinion
it was a lot worse when i found all these people who thought it was a great idea

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Most memorable, not best

Awesome, forgot about that episode

S1 was cray cray

>a place of rehabilitation
You're delusional if you think prison is about rehabilitation. That's one of the biggest lies in society. We put people in prison to punish them and not have them around us.

And that's the entire problem. Prison ought to be about rehabilitation; the punishment is being confined and in prison in the first place.

>i am all up on my high horse preaching about rehabilitation until someone rapes and kills someone close to me

There's nothing to rehabilitate. Most criminals don't commit crimes because they have something wrong with them that needs fixing - they just chose to be criminals.

What high horse?

Not everyone is in prison has committed a horrible crime, and just because someone has committed a horrible crime doesn't mean that they aren't human and that they aren't deserving of dignity. That's one of the things that separates us from them.

Even if you could rehabilitate everyone, you couldn't convince the entire society to forget and forgive their crimes.

What are crimes of passion? What are crimes committed for lack of options, or because of a drug addiction?

True, but at least society has tried to reform the criminal and make them into a beneficial member. Can't really do anything to change private citizens' hearts and minds.

nice try foucault

Nice try Beccaria

Emotionally induced spur of the moment crimes. Eg you find your wife fucking your brother so you bash their heads in with a hammer. You didnt plan on killing anybody, it was a crime of passion.

I know what a crime of passion is, I'm saying that a person who commits a crime of passion didn't choose to commit that crime the way that a banker chooses to defraud his customer.

Sorry, I misread your post.

All's cool.

I definitely understand rehabilitation in cases where the perpetrator is addicted to or has become dependent on drugs. But I don't think you can rehabilitate away somebody's tendency to commit crimes of passion.

Regardless, that still leaves a lot of criminals in prison who can't be fixed. Suppose a woman gets mad at her husband because he yells a lot and then she stabs him 50 times. What are we going to say to that woman in prison to rehabilitate her? It's not like the situation that led to her being a criminal is ever going to come up again. That's why I think prison works well as a deterrent and as a storage place for dangerous members of society.

But it is, user.

this, it was accurate to real life and so much more fucked up than over hyped whitebear

>accurate to real life
for you

That comes down to impulse control, therapy, work training, etc. I mean, I can speak for myself personally, but I can definitely see where my lack of impulse control could lead me to do some dark things.

Ideally, that's what I think would be best for those who commit crimes of passion. First is to confine and separate them from the general population, which is the punishment and then there's rehabilitation, making sure that they have the tools they need to not trip down that road again and job training so that they can be of use in society.

Is that a one hundred percent, surefire path to success? Of course not. But I think it's better than what we do currently.

>this, it was accurate to real life
Just because you decided to romance a stripper like a retard doesn't make six whatever credits closer to real life than White Bear. If anything, the number of people suggesting what it portrayed was positive signals it's pretty fucking close if nobody does anything.

what?

The episode he is talking about is the talent show one, the waifu wasn't a stripper at all when he fell in love with her.

Did you even watch the series?

That definitely SOUNDS like a good idea, but would spending those extra resources on criminals be worth it if we aren't even sure we'll be successful? That's basically where I fall: rehabilitation may be possible in some cases, but I don't think it will be worth it economically, at least not in the US which already has way too many prisoners.

The stripper comment has to do with what he thought was closer to real life. And unless he (and the people around him) lives in a rat cage and is forcefed ads and rides a bike 24/7 for fucking points, then no, it's not accurate to real life. If he did get involved with a bitch who turned out to be a whore, then yeah, that bit is close to HIS real life, hence the stripper comment. This isn't that hard, mate.

There's not a guarantee to anything, though. I look at it the same way I look at school, is there a guarantee that the student will make the most of their education and go on to do great things? No, but we should at least try.

And the alternative, when it comes to prison is that the criminal either gets released and, lacking the requisite life skills, goes on to recommit and go back to prison, thereby spending even more government funds, or they have no way to privately rehabilitate and then either end up on the state or go on state assistance.

I mean, I get where you're coming from, but our current system seems rigged for recividism, you know?

christmas one was the best

>We put people in prison to punish them
One of the biggest misconceptions in society IMHO. Offenders are confined to prisons so that during their time they are unable to continue offending in the community. Some countries have a greater understanding of this than others. Don't get me wrong I'm up for punishing criminals if they do something that warrants making their life a living torment (which is not many things if we're being honest), I'm just saying that's not the actual function of imprisonment in modern society.

It was definitely the most horrifying. The punishments for both main characters were so monstrously over-the-top, it definitely sticks out in my mind despite it's other flaws.

At least Hamm's character could leave Britain. It sounded like he was only blocked in the UK, and he was an American, so...

Unlike the poor fucker who's trapped in the simulation. I have no idea what those people will come back to after their three day weekend

You are sheltered beyond belief if you really think that. Fucking hell.

Good rebuttal there champ.

>charlie brooker
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

It's amazing to me that there are people that ignorant to the world like you. You literally think someone gets up one day and decides to be a criminal.

Great post faim.

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Kys pussy fag murderers cannot be rehabbed

Tell us how it really happens then senpai

Is Black Mirror the only show to feature a black guy getting cucked?

No?

>DEY DINDU NUFFIN

Being a poorfag isn't always someones fault but turning to crime is a choice and they can get fucked

Actually, prison was originally conceived as a place of rehabilitation. People would be sent there to rethink their lives and avoid the usual punishment; public humiliation, corporal punishment, and public executions. In the United States, at least, it became a source of cheap labor following the civil war. Many states had black codes that basically made it illegal to be poor and black; thus you went to prison and basically worked for free. Later on, as the demand for such labor decreased and civil rights victories were won, prison became a political tool. Politicians, in a society that became less and less detached from actual conflict, sought to project their own image by declaring "war on crime." This lead to a drastic increase in sentencing lengths, once again usually targeting the poor who are generally uneducated and unorganized (thus unable to fight back effectively). The support industry of the prisons supported these politicians because the building and running of prisons is very profitable.

So this how we end up in this weird limbo of todays modern society. People generally want criminals punished; this was handled in the old days by public humiliation, corporal punishment, and public executions. At some point, we decided criminals should be rehabilitated because that was more humane. However, some people got it into their heads they could first make money off of prisons and later gain political power from them. Thus we have the ever growing prison populations and increasing sentencing lengths from a generally supportive public that has shifted from wanting rehabilitation to punishment for criminals.

When will end? I don't think it will ever end until it becomes too expensive for the governments and thus taxpayers to maintain. In some states like California, this has already happened.

will brooker ever achieve anything? he is getting old and still resorting to tired grandad-tier satires of the latest memes. it will only get worse.

The word rehabilitation implies sickness, criminals are not sick.

The correct word is resocialization.

It was awesome.

>be poor and stupid from a family of poor and stupid people
>don't graduate high school
>no one cares
>have no future outside of a gang or selling drugs
I know several people like this.

What's the point of putting someone in prison for life if they die at the end of it anyway?
Might as well just give them the death penalty.
American "justice" system is and always has been about revenge and sating victims and their families' blood lust.
Meanwhile some countries in the world are making ACTUAL progress in their societies and among other things attempting to rehabilitate people.

I bet you know more people who overcame greater obstacles without breaking the law! They just don't fit your narrative.

Recidivism rates in the U.S. and Europe are basically the same m8. Any efforts being made over there to rehabilitate are clearly not working.

>Comparing a country to a continent
I know it's difficult for americans to understand but Europe and Africa aren't countries.
Not even the EU is a country nor does it encompass all of Europe.
Now if you'll carefully read my post again you'll notice I said SOME COUNTRIES.

I obviously meant the rates in the U.S. and the countries within Europe. Which ones are you referring to that have these progressive prison systems?

Out of the people I know from that particular background? None. If I count friends of my friends, maybe 1/20 of people from those backgrounds actually go onto overcome their background. Personally, I find your indeterministic outlook rather at odds with the reality; most people are a product of their upbringing and fail to rise above it. Those that do often have outside help; a teacher or friend that believes in them.

>the countries within Europe.
I don't believe you can even name them all so I seriously doubt you have done any amount of research on the shit you're spouting.
How about you tell me some that have the same recidivism rates as the U.S?
Feel free to chose any outside of the big 5. (England, France, Germany, Spain and Italy.)
There should be plenty to choose from without pulling statistics out of your ass.

You're the one who will be providing statistics here senpai. You talked shit about the U.S. system and still haven't named a superior one. Prove your claim.

It's a predictable response, but it's also the most true: ending the war on drugs and decriminalizing the use of controlled substances would make the prison population plummet. There's no sense whatsoever in punishing these people, and if they're addicts then they need to be put into treatment programs, rather than prison. Having a smaller population would make the situation much easier to manage, but as you said, there's too much political heft behind keeping the status quo. Though, federal criminals not being sent to private prisons will definitely change things. Just not sure how long we'll have to wait for the tides to really turn.

Well, he gets his ass fucking murdered by a crowd, so there's no chance of that

Yeah technically it's the most fucked up one, but that's because it's trying really hard to be. The twist was decent, but it felt like everything beforehand was totally arbitrary filler. It was just a super edgy episode that went out of its way to rub the audience's face in shit. Far from the best BM ep. I honestly preferred The Waldo Moment, even.

I think White Bear, National Anthem and Waldo Moment were the three that were the most about the present moment and less about speculation into future technologies. They were trying their hardest to make a point about the here and now, rather than be like, "hey, here's tech you'll see in the next ten to twenty years and the various existential issues they'll create!"

You sure?

No he doesn't.

The Waldo Moment is the preachiest episode desu, I cannot take it seriously

More like Cuck Mirror.

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