Which movie was superior, There Will Be Blood or No Country for Old Men?

Which movie was superior, There Will Be Blood or No Country for Old Men?

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Movie disguised as a film: There Will Be Blood.

Film disguised as a movie No Country For Old Men.

Nice question though, OP. It's a good pleb test.

The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford

One of my all time favorites

absolutely nailed it. funny thing is i generally prefer pta and don't like the coens, but this is imo one of (maybe even the) ptas worst movies (easily the most overrated) and no country is arguably the coens masterpiece. although i would put fargo and inside llewyn davis up there too.

zodiac was the best from that year t b h

I couldn't get through either of them as neither possessed the ability to intellectually stimulate me for more than a few minutes.

t. adhd Sup Forums baby

t. pimply 18 year old """"patrician"""""

No country was way too edgy.

TWBB is kino. NCFOM is just good.

He's either a Sup Forums baby or a high level sophisticated viewer depending on whether he disliked them because he was too stupid for them or too smart for them.

I dislike There Will Be Blood too but in my case it's that it's too much like a video game and not "Boring" enough.

From a pure filmmaking perspective twbb is superior.

The opening 10-20 minutes and the fire eruption scene were incredible.

Inside Llweyn davis was quite the surprise. They did a good job showing what the greenwich scene was like (except without all the heroin)

This is b8

I can see why that would seem more superficially impressive to a juvenile viewer than the more subtle film making of No Country For Old Men. There Will Be Blood is a monument to grand "Impressive" film making but it isn't a whole lot more.

Jesus Christ this board. I can't take it anymore.

You can accept the truth and mature cinematically or you can fight it and remain stagnant and infantile.

>subtle film making of No Country For Old Men.
Generic direction and editing doesn't equal subtle you nitwit

I was being superfluous, you nitwit.

i think they are both great movies but they both have actually pretty big flaws in my opinion

the main flaw with TWBB is that Paul Sunday is not anywhere near as good a character as Daniel Plainview. Partly this is due to DDL being the far better actor, but also I felt that Paul Sunday is pretty underdeveloped in general. The movie tries to pit the two against each other in a battle of wit / wills, but Sunday doesn't really rise to the challenge.

NCfOM's main flaw in my opinion is that the main theme of there being a 'new' breed of crime / criminal / evil that is unstoppable and sweeping away the 'old' order (clumsy explanation but you know what I mean if you've seen it) is also underdeveloped and never achieves catharsis. some might say that's the lack of truth / meaning / message is the point, especially with the way the movie ends, but I think that's a cop-out and there's a way to satisfyingly make manifest the theme of the film in a way that's impactful. In other words, i dont think the themes of the movie are wholly successfully realized.

Of the two, I prefer TWBB to NCfOM overall but NCfOM has better pacing and momentum and more memorable scenes.

NCFOM is a postmodern western masterpiece, TWBB is a 70s wannabe film, though not a bad one. DDL is definitely overrated though. I dunno why you're comparing these tho, just cause they're from 07?

No Country For Old Men is masterful on every level. It would only seem "generic" if you're a tasteless pleb who can't recognize great film making unless it's jumping up and down and shouting "DUDE I'M A GREAT AUTEUR LMAO, LOOK AT THESE LONG SHOTS LMAO" like PTA.

The coin flip scene is better than anything in There Will Be Blood even if it isn't completely overblown. PTA let's his own self conscious monuments to his own prowess get in the way of the film he's making.

No Country.

There will be Blood was good, too. Both had meh endings, imo

>There Will Be Blood was very thinly disguised communist propaganda. No Country For Old Men was very well disguised socialist propaganda.

What's so great about the coin flip scene then?

youtube.com/watch?v=FmykanZPq2g

Not that user but never did a candy wrapper alone made my anus clench HARD before so there's that

NCFOM's ending is pretentious and I hated it, pls no bully

>There Will Be Blood" is the kind of film that is easily called great. I am not sure of its greatness. It was filmed in the same area of Texas used by "No Country for Old Men," and that is a great film, and a perfect one. But "There Will Be Blood" is not perfect, and in its imperfections (its unbending characters, its lack of women or any reflection of ordinary society, its ending, its relentlessness) we may see its reach exceeding its grasp. Which is not a dishonorable thing.

>its lack of women
This criticism alone cements There Will Be Blood as the better movie.

There Will Be Blood

You sound like a fucking pretentious neet faggot, holy goddamn shit. Are you 12?

38, son.

twbb, by far

There will be old men.

Lol going on the internet and telling lies again, aren't we lad? "Movie disguised as a film" is a pretentious as shit statement. Do you think your word vomit actually sounds intelligent? Like, honestly now. It has this surface level psuedo-intellectual quality to it...but makes no goddamn sense when you think about it

It's a valid statement and pretty applicable. It describes a work of entertainment that works to dupe viewers into believing they're watching art.

The opposite, no country, is a work of art that embraces the trappings of "entertainment".

Why can't TWBB and NCFOM fags just fuck and get it over with.

TAoJJbtCRF forever cucked.

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Despite being a dumb faggot and not understanding that everything (like all film) made is art, please explain to me how There Will Be Blood is not art?

Barton Fink is the Coen's best film Tbh

Kidnapping the thread to ask for violent movies recommendations.
I want down to earth bug badass dudes beating the fuck out of everyone in a way that's not too over the top, with good filmmaking

Too many letters.

Dominik laughs last though since Killing Them Softly is better than either of these.

Drive

No Country for Old Men because it doesn't have Daniel Day Lewis.

Here we go with these types again.

>heavy handed allegory of the economic recession is better

You dont like DDL?

No

Shitty meme actor

I started watching drive but it started so slow I dropped it, is it just a Sup Forums meme?

>NCfOM's main flaw in my opinion is that the main theme of there being a 'new' breed of crime / criminal / evil that is unstoppable and sweeping away the 'old' order (clumsy explanation but you know what I mean if you've seen it) is also underdeveloped and never achieves catharsis
This is definitely not a theme of the film, the entire point of the Apache story is that this kind of thing has happened before and will continue to happen forever. Each successive generation thinks they're encountering some new level of violence and evil, but they're not.

I can agree that the lack of meaning is a cop-out, but that's definitely the intended theme and it's definitely realized. "I woke up."

What does that even mean? You can't just call everything and everyone a "meme (this)". After the tenth time, it just looks sad. Can you produce a better opinion than that autism?

>please explain to me how There Will Be Blood is not art?
Despite the pretensions of audience alienation (20 minutes of visually beautiful silence to trick unsophisticated audiences into thinking they're witnessing something challenging that they are above capeshit viewers for appreciating) the core of the film is "entertainment". It's the capeshit that tries it's best to convince viewers into believing that it isn't capeshit and they get a nice epic showdown and dose of catharsis at the end of it.

No Country has the trappings of your usual pro-audience engagement suspense thriller but there is no catharsis or concern for audience enjoyment at the end of that rainbow. Only frustration and alienation.
> all film) made is art
Deeply offensive notion. Art and entertainments are opposites. No film that fundamentally prioritizes entertainment is art. I will put it in Sup Forums terms for you. There Will Be Blood is "Felina", No Country For Old Men is "Made In America".

No he's an oscar bait meme actor.

PTA films memes, he's the reddit of cinema

>PTA is bad meme
I thought this board was over this?

I believe Killing Them Softly and The Counselor to be part of a "post subtlety" movement that will only be recognized by popular film culture years down the line. The heavy handedness was an integral element of the weapon wielded against the memes of the "Polite" standards of quality that are so abundant. It's the "but why?" mold shatterer.

TWBB has really strong directing and did interesting things with the language of film

NCfOM has the luxury of an extraordinary script amplified with stellar directing.

Both are great

>post subtlety

>No film that fundamentally prioritizes entertainment is art.

I've never read something more retarded. You don't get to decide what art is or isn't, and you sure as shit don't get to decide if art is allowed to entertain or not

You can create art for the purpose of entertainment, this doesn't make it any less art.

What the fuck is wrong with elitists like you? Do you wake up knowing that when you talk, people hate your pomp with a fucking rage? You aren't the voice of art, faggot

This was cringy as all fuck. Why csn't neets like you accept that the things you don't like are art as long as they hold value to someone?

>TAoJJbtCRF

Are absurd abbreviations the birth of a spicy new meme?

>le meme actor
>le reddit

Jesus fuck, people. Can you produce an original thought?

You type like you're not from around here so I'll just assume that you were dismissive of my post and ignore everything you said.

Elitism is the chemo to the video game fueled "entertainment" cancer that is eroding this board and western culture at large.

The sad truth is that "DDL is a great actor" is far more meme vetted than a notion like "DDL is reddit".

If you can't see how PTA is basically a meme director, filming meme actors to his script filled with memes with meme cinematography and memetic aesthetics, you should really go back to playing video games.

This post is intentionally inflammatory but also at its heart completely correct.

>You type like you're not from around here
>you are Sup Forums

I can't wait for summer to end so fucking soon so these pretentious fucks can leave

Someone got triggered hard
Funny how you only seem to find this kind of elitism in threads discussing entry level films and directors like PTA and the Coens

>he a meme, they a meme, it all a meme

I hope this whole board dies

Both movies are entry-level "patrician" pictures that newbies like to discuss because they haven't seen enough films.

>at its heart completely correct.

Maybe if you are retarded?

People need to stop acting like you can't enjoy these films. They are literally not bad films.

I've been a fixture in every PTA thread I see for years now and I remain very consistent in my arguments. If you're calling me a tourist poster then you reveal yourself to be a tourist poster.
Yeah, because these are the directors that video game players flock to when they decide that they're "Into movies" and they must be beaten down accordingly. The imdb entry level is the route by which video game sensibility posters infiltrate our ranks and one must be vigilante. You don't get many people jumping right from capeshit into Tarr. You must first pass through the ranks of the middlebrow. I generally like the Coens for the record. PTA though is pulsating hot pocket of a man.

No one said you can't enjoy them, stop moving the goalposts.

Just remember that the more you're "enjoying" yourself the worse the film you're watching is from an artistic standpoint.

>Yeah, because these are the directors that video game players flock to when they decide that they're "Into movies"
As do you strangely
Really makes you think

One has a cop out dream ending, the other an ending that makes you think

I prefer the thinking mans movie

After the end of There Will Be Blood I decided never to think ever again. What a stupid movie.

>I dislike There Will Be Blood too but in my case it's that it's too much like a video game and not "Boring" enough.
the pretense level is off the charts in this thread

this is what i get for leaving Sup Forums

You intentionally try to devalue anons who like these films by calling them "entry levels" like they are for fucking infants.

Nobody actually thinks that...that's autistic.

Anime viewers aren't compatible with an art medium like cinema. Perhaps you are compatible with the capeshit threads and meme show threads that you and Sup Forums bring here, but those are the parts of this board that need nuked.

Literally, what?

Art is discomfort. Entertainment pandering is pleasure. One type of cinema can have some elements of the other but they will fundamentally prioritize one side of the coin. If a motion picture is ultimately satisfying to viewers, it is a movie. If it dissatisfying to viewers then it is either a film or a failed attempt at a movie, use your cinema sophistication to work out which.

t. Empire is his favorite film

Please go back

>Art is discomfort

It is not JUST that. You have a very simplistic and asasine definition of art

>Art is discomfort
Hey I know you. I've been baited by you before. You seem to crawl out of the woodwork every time PTA is discussed. Last time I saw you in a thread you were spewing this exact same argument and you got comprehensively BTFO

No Country easily

Anton Chiguhr character was better than paul dano and ddl

>Anime viewers aren't compatible with an art medium like cinema.
You almost convinced me until I read the first post of this thread.

This board is a joke, and not just some parts of it like you have suggested, but all of it.

>Art is discomfort.
Sounds like your parents probably did a lot of art on you.

Like I said, art can have some elements of surface level "entertainment" but it will always ultimately come down on the side of attempted audience satisfaction or audience alienation.

This is the crux of the film/movie dichotomy.

Is this what they taught you in film school?

I was thrown out of film school because of an ideological disagreement.

lol

No, you are wrong because you are putting unnecessary parameters to bind art to be what YOU want

Valid art is what society needs it to be. The chemo to the current cancer. The path of honor and dignity. In this time it is suffering and punishment.

There Will Be No Country for Old Men

I don't really agree with you, but I love these posts.

Both were mediocre.

Overrated, somewhat entertaining trash.