Over Sexualisation of children. Thoughts?

Psych Student here, I have an assignment based on the above and am interested in your views.

Parents, and professionals involved with children especially!

Thanks.

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I think its great. Gives me something to look at while i work. Teaching tends to get boring after a while. I call this periode winter

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>posts picture of a black man

based yank

If a 5 yo boy can consent to gender reassignment why can't my 13 yo gf consent to sex with me?

He was a very good writer

>If a 5 yo boy can consent to gender reassignment
you cant take hormones until puberty and you cant have the surgery until you are 18. Holy shit burgers are dumb

Agreed. Shame too few of us took heed

Technically, they're transgendered, not transsexuals

You can change your gender with merely a thought, if you convince yourself of it

The age of puberty has dropped, this has been proven through research and the Bailey Investigation. This means that sex ed is now often after the start of puberty leaving children to find out on their own. This often causes problems due to them viewing inaccurate material. This added to the objectification and taboo nature of child sexuality leads to many problems world wide.

Sexuality refers to the display and thoughts. You could therefore identify as the opposite sex with just a thought.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=3TQZ-2iMUR0

Are you the Canadian transgender who posts pics of his dick on here all the time?

>children
>15 yo

that's why we have many sissy faggots today.

but thats not what he was saying, he said you can get the SURGERY at 5, which you cannot.
>ho posts pics of his dick on here all the time?
i dont think i post it very often but i have posted it before

>m.youtube.com/watch?v=3TQZ-2iMUR0

Cheers mate. Giving it a watch right now

>This means that sex ed is now often after the start of puberty leaving children to find out on their own.

In America at least, sex Ed is taught at the same time for boys and girls. If I remeber correctly don't girls start and finish puberty befor the boys?

And if that's true then people have always been taught too late or too early

Guess you're right. Still, assuming such a thing as gender exists in empirical reality, it doesn't make sense for kids to have to a right to change it (gender is defined as the mental conception/ understanding of one's sex) while at the same time to be deemed unable to consent in nearly all other aspects

15 years old is around the time sexual identity is formed.

15 Year olds are still legally children, i don't agree in some ways but they are theoretically children.

>, it doesn't make sense for kids to have to a right to change it
you can only take puberty blockers at puberty and active changing hormones at 16.

Taking puberty blockers gives you the same effect as young gymnasts get with their intense training which stunts their puberty.

Here in Denmark, it's appropriate for parents to let kids (up until maybe 6 years old) be naked, for example at the beach, a holiday camp, a playground, etc. Pretty much anywhere where it's normal for kids to run around and have fun.

Most every American I know personally is not comfortable about this, when we have gone to the beach together. Just a fun little difference I have noticed.

Correct, Sex ed has been placed before high school/ secondary school due to the understanding that they ascend from "children" to "teens". However in my opinion (and many others) this would have been too early a few decades ago, and is now far too late.

Research suggests that puberty begins at age 9 in boys.

>Here in Denmark, it's appropriate for parents to let kids (up until maybe 6 years old) be naked, for example at the beach, a holiday camp, a playground, etc. Pretty much anywhere where it's normal for kids to run around and have fun.

that's because you are not surrounded by rapefugees

And that is perfectly acceptable, and is ironic of Western Culture. This culture teaches that children are seperated from sexuality, and have no right to it until they become an adult which is wrong.
Sexuality refers to more than how they look, but how they think and perceive others.

>letting children be children

children are the last people on earth that have any idea what it means to be a child, it never made sense to me why people say this shit

True, but you're talking about trying to change a child's (biological) sex

I'm talking about treating the kid as if he's the opposite sex, which has severe social and psychological impacts

The Question is; How do you know what sex a child is just by looking at them. If you dressed a boy as a girl for example, how would you know it was a boy?
This is written by adults. I surprised i have to point this out.
"Letting children be children" refers to the adult world having an impact on the lives of children. WE know what is was like to be a child, and should therefore use that knowledge to allow children to have a childhood.

So what is the long term solution, or the "end" goal?

>Finding the best time for the majority of kids to see it?

Because there will always be the outliers. For instance I've known girls who didn't get their first period till they were sixteen.

Sexuality = Being horny
Kids can't get horny, i.e. they aren't sexual. All of this stuff about kids being sexual is literally just pedos wishful thinking

>The Question is; How do you know what sex a child is just by looking at them. If you dressed a boy as a girl for example, how would you know it was a boy?

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We're long past the days we needed to look at a clothed child to determine its sex. Arguably we've never lived those ages

It's just play pretend anyway and sooner or later objective facts creep through the lies and the façade

Ofcourse, i completely agree. It needs to be taught at the same time for all, however i believe it's taught too late as children are exposed to sexual content from a young age.
And you're just naive, Sexuality is more than hormones.

Also another question.

How do you make young people aware and better understanding of their sexuality, without letting it get out of control?

What I mean by this are things like the marriage rates, divorce rates, and partner counts of people today. Which in many cases turns out to be not only damaging to the individual, but also to society.

Huh, so when you look at a friend or family members child that you've never met before you get the blood test out?

Make it less of a taboo subject. The idea of germs for example was hugely taboo until it was outed, and now it's common knowledge.

Children should be taught correctly before they feel the need to educate themselves incorrectly.

Nope, but the kid will eventually figure out basic biology and science, and the only way to keep them from going insane is to keep brainwashing them into believing there is such a thing as human genders

They might have gotten away with it before there was such a thing as science, and as part of a weird cult or religion

What he meant I think, was that there are definite ways of determining the sex of humans and all animals.

But I'm not sure how what you said validates anything.
>If I dress a chicken up like a duck, how do you know it's a chicken just by looking at it?
I know this isn't exactly parallel to what you said, but for me at least it sounds like a very similar kind of argument

But with modern science there are many many many ways to determine the sex of a person.

Also example A. That picture.
She's hot right? But in some senses objectified by herself and the company responsible. The attention she would attract convinces girls that they must conform to gain attraction... It's a vicious circle.

But we treat them as being A sexual. Children are perceived as having no sexuality, as they are innocent.
Children will ofcourse figure out basic biology, that happens from an incredibly young age physically. But there innate understanding is taught through education - usually too late.

Yes there are definite ways of determing sex. My question is, If you saw a toddler dressed in a blue t-shirt, jeans and trainers in a pram, how would you know what sex that child was?

I think there are almost certainly connections that can be made when looking at
>less shame and taboo around sex
>and the falling of the western world

Im not necessarily advocating we start shaming sex completely. But we need to be very careful how we continue to move forward.

The white birth rates must go up, divorce must go down, and marriage of some kind must go up for the mental wellbeing of the children.

No no no, dude

Your sex is one thing; your sexuality and/ or sexual orientation is another

The concept of gender used to only be applied to words and grammar before feminists started having their say

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender#Etymology_and_usage

>The modern academic sense of the word, in the context of social roles of men and women, dates from the work of John Money (1955), and was popularized and developed by the feminist movement from the 1970s onwards (see Feminism theory and gender studies below). The theory was that human nature is essentially epicene and social distinctions based on sex are arbitrarily constructed. Matters pertaining to this theoretical process of social construction were labelled matters of gender.

Your sex is merely what your chromosomes say it is, and it an objectively determinable empirical fact

Its weird, kids seem as sexual and perverted as ever but supposedly virginity is at an all time high because they all just watch porn I guess.

You're right. I couldn't know for sure. I would make a guess that it's a boy until new information was given to me. So you're right, but I'm not sure what you're trying to get across with it

I was saying there would be severe psychosocial damage if you try to play pretend your sex away as a toddler

He's saying that we can play pretend those problems away, as children haven't exhibited their secondary sex traits up until puberty

I was saying then that they would figure out their objective sex anyway, because they would learn basic biology and science eventually

'letting kids be kids' doesn't mean anything to kids themselves. By and large they want to grow up as fast as possible, because they don't idealise childhood in the same way adults do. The only people who care about it are adults who struggle to cope with life (i.e. most of them) and want to re-live their childhoods vicariously.

As it refers specifically to sexuality, it's just an extension of the general societal neuroses surrounding sex - all the people who obsess over whether children are being sexualised or not are, on some level, projecting their own fear of sexuality onto children. And a large part of this fear may well stem from the fear of adulthood mentioned above, since sexuality and adulthood are intimately linked.

it seems to me that a lot of people suffering from what you might call post-Peter Pan syndrome - they grew up all right (mentally as well as physically, unlike in Peter Pan syndrome), they just subconsciously resent it

I think it's because
>weak fathers, overbearing mothers, feminist society/teachers/media, ADD medication, video games, porn, artificial estrogens and things like it

Have made a large section of young boys very very insecure about being manly. And this leads to low self esteem. Which results in no sex (at least when we're talking about boys and men

I agree.

Boys should be taught to be boys and one day men. And girls should be taught to be girls and one day women.

as someon who is a tranny i was brought up by my father and mother to be a boy and they really did try to make me manly. It really doesnt help at all when you have a mental ilness in your brain that makes everything about being a man extremely uncomfortable and depressing. Its like having people force a pair of jeans 2 sizes too small on you all of your life and saying thats how its supposed to be.

Gender roles are not the reason why we have trannies, its a mental ilness caused from a birth defect.

Same. The thing is, as soon as the mass delusion bubble that lefties have created starts to burst, the so called transgendered people will go back to the same merciless reality that brought about their problems

The solution is adapting yourself to the fact that is your sex, not try to mutilate your body to give the appearance that you've managed to change reality

Okay sexuality is driven by sex.

Sexuality is more than the display of sexual nature, but the thinking behind it aswell.

I'm not meaning to talk about gender. I merely question how you would tell a boy from a girl just by looking at them?

A boy dressed in girls clothes would be perceived as a girl right?

This relates to the children look on the world, boys often relate pink to girls and blue to boys. It's taught behaviour.

>"Research Suggest that sexuality is a much broader term that relates to desires, ideas, actions, and way of thinking. Heather Montgomery Developmental Psychologist - Harvard.

Sexuality is a taught trait, children learn from others and copy what they perceive to be attractive or desired.

The objectification of women or men adds to this. Walk past a retail shop and you'll see dozens of images of half naked, good looking models.
Girls especially are affected by this content, often leading to early sexualisation.

I agree in some ways. However, this would be seen as "politcally incorrect".
The mother/father role has changed drastically over the past 50 years, women are no longer housewives, and fathers are not the only income of the household.
As a previous user mentioned, knowledge should be passed from father to son, Mother to daughter. But with increasing divorce rates and parent divides, this just doesnt happen. Resulting in children becoming adults without the correct knowledge of the world.

I've heard about some studies where they gave potentially mtf transgendered people testosterone or something and they've had their symptoms reverse

Want me to look them up?

The question here is did you have the same inclination before full cognitive development?

It's common for children to be rebellious, and having an idea forced upon you could have been the cause?

I don't disagree with how you have decided to identify, that's your decision. My question is why exactly does this happen, we are socially and biologically predispositioned to act as a male or female. What causes a person to swap?

>A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder. John Hopkins.

I don't see a problem. The legal age of consent should be 12

I would guess that what you're saying is correct. In that you're born with a brain that will one day lead you down that road, or you go through some kind of very painful and/or prolonged mental trouble. And that's how the vast majority of trannies come about.

That being said, we should still push being men on boys and being women on girls. If we don't, it may not create more trans sexuals, but it most likely will create more feminine men and masculine women.

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Well most people may not be able to tell apart a typical boy from a girl before puberty and you can theoretically stop and "reverse" puberty as I've heard, agreed

But this demonstrable delusion depends only on both the child's and society's ignorance of basic science and, most importantly, on keeping with the feminist philosophy that there is such a thing a mental conception of one's sex (what is now called "gender") that is arbitrary and completely independent from what the sex factually and objectively is

Do kids really need a 25 year old bull around them?

Pimozide

Secondly, why is it that a males sexual desire is seen as normal. He becomes a "player"

Where as a females display of desire gets them labeled as impure.

Girls are sexualised far too early. They are forced to grow up.

Whereas boys aren't "Boys will be boys".

The only dumb thing here is that you think this somehow makes it ANY better.

Please explain.

Yeah that was it cheers

Noone here is that old most of us are barley legal

>Secondly, why is it that a males sexual desire is seen as normal. He becomes a "player"
>Where as a females display of desire gets them labeled as impure.
This tired old shit...listen faggot.

To be a player, you have to have game. You have to have patter, nice clothes, a fake job...etc

To be a slut, you need nothing. NOTHING!

There are fat ugly sluts out there.

There are no fat ugly players.

>However, this would be seen as "politcally incorrect". The mother/father role has changed drastically over the past 50 years,

And as we speak it's all falling apart. It's not a conspiracy, our countries are eating themselves from the inside out. If not in our lifetimes, then some time soon after them. And when it all falls apart i have no doubt in my mind that men will be men again and women will be women again. They will have to be, or they will die.

The "Political correctness" movement is a movement that needs the absence of struggle to survive. When people begin to suffer and struggle in the west even more than they do today. It will die

>Secondly, why is it that a males sexual desire is seen as normal. He becomes a "player"
>Where as a females display of desire gets them labeled as impure.
>Girls are sexualised far too early. They are forced to grow up.
>Whereas boys aren't "Boys will be boys".

You're using the leftie, paradoxical definition of "sexualised"

I've seen some of them use it when it comes to muslim girls being dressed modestly in hijabs and burkas etc.

I personally believe it is the boys who are sexualised; in your example at least

Girls are being told to not be whores (i.e. to NOT be sexual), and for good reason imho

>whites a minority again

The kikes are sexualizing pre pubescent children while simultaneously telling us that 16-18 year olds are somehow innocent children and shouldn't marry and that it's creepy.

That's how you kill the white birthrate. Nothing wrong with younger marriage.

The agenda is to delay mental maturity as long as possible for more indoctrination. There wasn't even such a thing as a teenager until the media created it. You used to be an adult who could marry and work by 16. But Hollywood and the government education system manufactured a whole phase of life where instead of becoming adults and learning a trade or marrying people are expected to have a phase of premarital sex and big university loan shekels.

100 years ago your parents would make you marry if you shacked up with your gf at 15. Now they actively tell you to never marry until you're 25 and there's no virgin partners left.

Then old "educated" women whine about where the good men went when the whole system that raises them creates 20 something manchildren by design.

Arranged marriage is one way to actually fix this. But realistically nothing short of collapse and destruction of modern technology would really do it.

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>Make it less of a taboo subject. The idea of germs for example was hugely taboo until it was outed, and now it's common knowledge.
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>Children should be taught correctly before they feel the need to educate themselves incorrectly.
Yes but why should the state to be involved in the sexual education of my children? Why should the state tell my children about what is correct sexuality? My Religion well tell them everything they need to know. Is it not the rights of the parents to do so? Doesn't infringe on my rights to Religious Freedom?

>I personally believe it is the boys who are sexualised; in your example at least
>Girls are being told to not be whores (i.e. to NOT be sexual), and for good reason imho

Why is that fair?

>The solution is adapting yourself to the fact that is your sex

it's impossible to just snap your fingers and be somthing new. I mean to change gender completely would be an immense change to your entire body.

somthing like height can't be changed, and that's way more simple than changing your whole gender. Everything about you is already "coded" into you. You can create an artificial appearance, but your offspring won't have those artificial properties.

Like you said you must do the best with what you have

What about the schoolyard education? Isn't that's where boys are supposed to learn?

You get it.

Even from a non religious perspective compulsory education is abhorrent.

Sorry Germans but the Prussian system is where it all started though admittedly it didn't get that bad till Jews entered

Don't forget single mothers and single dads and the breakup of the family unit playing into this issue.

It's guess it's innate in our biological make up

>millions of sperm m80s
vs
>1 egg every now and then

You tell me which one's more valuable

Also, a stronger point is that evolutionarily a pregnant woman can only typically take care of a kid at a time

Whereas a Genghis Khan-type bull can spread his genes across fucking continents before he kicks the bucket

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>You get it.
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>Even from a non religious perspective compulsory education is abhorrent.
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>Sorry Germans but the Prussian system is where it all started though admittedly it didn't get that bad till Jews entered
the Prussian system had sex education back in its early days of infancy? That sounds interesting do you have a source or some more information?

Single biggest issue is technology and urbanization/suburbs .

Well I don't believe there is such a thing as gender

Which is typically defined like I said here - towards the end

I'd rather not use it and if I have to, I use it as a synonym for one's sex

>>I'd rather not use it and if I have to, I use it as a synonym for one's sex

Which you cannot change by the way

Didn't read the thread, but I remember there was some user here recently posting information on children who committed horrendous crimes, and all of them were sexualized when they were young. The kids end up killing their younger sisters and raping their cats.

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I disagree

Divorce is seen as no big deal. Divorce counselors and therapists of all kinds say "oh it's no big deal, the children will get over it eventually". But it leads to massive problems

Technology is a symptom.

In the past men and women were expected to do certain things.

If you had a family that depended on you. A loving wife who you weren't afraid would eventually divorce you. A job in which you'd work your way up and didn't have to worry about lay offs. 3 or 4 kids who respected you, and you loved. A community that would shame anyone who stepped out of line. And this kind of life was also the future your kids were going to have.

>would technology really be a problem?

Those expectations were destroyed by tech. Men no longer have to physically labor to put food on the table and the service economy is exactly what let's women compete for the same jobs as men. And household machines replaced women's housework.

And it was the industrial revolution and especially postwar technologies and corporate expansion and much of what came out of of that directly led to destruction of small scale tight knit communities.

The whole modern American pressure to love out as fast as possible to acquire money breaks up communities. Immigrants don't do this. They live close together for life.

*move out

But anyway the school and company are now surrogates for a real community.

I remember getting horny from reading a children's book where kids got squashed by some strange machine. Fucking weird but I was 9 and remember getting a boner from it.

girls are being forced to become men. they are shamed into thinking that their maternal instincts make them weak and unattractive

Apart from a socio-economical collapse like you said, do you see any solutions for building back that sense of community at a national level in the West?

famine and war. people don't bond when times are good

Tech has been taking away mens need to have strength since the very beginning. And about women being able to compete now, we just should have never let them. It flooded the job market and allowed companies to pay less. And as women started working, they stopped having as many kids. This results in immigrants. And immigrants allow companies to pay even less.

You do make a good point with household machines though. It's one of the reasons women were so insistent on getting mens jobs

>Immigrants don't do this.

That doesn't mean immigrants aren't part of the larger problem

>girls are being forced to become men. they are shamed into thinking that their maternal instincts make them weak and unattractive

Found it!
youtu.be/cF5UWzXzeGM?t=4m52s

Those don't look like children to me, fampai.
I personally feeel that they stop being eligible to be called "children" when the fuckers picks up a keyboard and start writing angsty shit on tumblr or reddit or Sup Forums.
I dunno, maybe my perception of "childhood" is warped, but it is strongly associated with innocence. Yes, I know kids can sometimes be cruel, but usually that's out of ignorance and lack of experience.
Fuck that, I'm not calling come 15 years old gang member dindu "a child", nor am I willing to call a 14 years old slut that likes to get wasted on parties "a kid".

it's the american media. spreading cancer around the world.

You'd like it as well :^)

youtu.be/cF5UWzXzeGM?t=4m52s

also, it used to be worse in some ways, at least back then, they didn't pretend, and were honest about what was going on

Well at least you're not delusional

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>I agree in some ways. However, this would be seen as "politcally incorrect".
The mother/father role has changed drastically over the past 50 years, women are no longer housewives, and fathers are not the only income of the household.
>As a previous user mentioned, knowledge should be passed from father to son, Mother to daughter. But with increasing divorce rates and parent divides, this just doesnt happen. >Resulting in children becoming adults without the correct knowledge of the world.

Unless the parents are put in charge of the sexual education.

Why is there so much sex education and not education to be mothers and fathers? All this education is cultural contraception.

How well does this sex education go over with the Muslims or do sex educators only have the guts to culturally experiment on Whites & Christians?

>don't agree in some ways but they are theoretically children.
No they aren't they are adolescents/teenagers bridging between child and adulthood, calling them children is just a legal/government meme to steal them of all personal responsibility and falsely accuse anyone who goes near them sexually as a pedophile as no one knows or wants the complication of learning actual terminologies like ephebophile.

Not really given that most of what we call "the west" actively works against the family and community. I mean our very wealth, technology and advancements that most would call the pride of the white race are really what's destroying us. Things like the Internet and electricity for example.

This hurts me because I'm an engineer but I'm starting to conclude that the Amish are right. Once you read the Unabomber there's no going back.

If we still had an agrarian economy with small farms there would be next to no degeneracy organically (no need to enforce it with a surveillance state). On the family farm women and children and men all work side by side in their own appropriate ways and there's less idle time because they have to work to live.

And no a big war wouldn't be the fix. It would just make it worse just like WWII directly led to women entering the workforce while the good men died and enriched the military industrial complex.

Never said they weren't. But the ways immigrants live are ironically closer to the way whites used to live . Younger and or arranged marriage, women either don't work or if they do they still put family first,large families and more importantly close communities of neighbors .

That is until the lie of the American dream seduces them away from their traditions and into Babylon.

If I want to be more realistic and not an extreme Luddite then I would say at the very least America would need to fall apart into smaller states to see any sort of return to tradition


Parents need to take charge of all education not just sex education. Compulsory education got us into this mess.

I was mentally and consciously sexual around 8/9.

Parents have to give permission to the schools by signing papers. So the schools can't force anybody. At least here.

And why is there no education to be mothers and fathers?
>because that would be the support and unlawful spread of toxic masculinity, and the idea that women shouldn't become good little wage slaves all their lives.

Leave it to women to fight for the right to work long hours, get paid very little, and never have children.