Ninth Gate

Why the devil chose Corso, not Balkan? Why was Corso special?

I don't remember who corso or barbo are. I haven't seen this movie since like 2005.

Corso was cuter.

I mean, wasn't the whole plot of this movie essentially "Satan is a fujoshi"?

Both Liana Telfer and Boris Balkan were misguided. The Devil doesn't care about devotion (Telfer) or lust for power (Balkan). It is Corso's unquenchable curiosity and appreciation for knowledge that Satan values.

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well said.

>It is Corso's unquenchable curiosity and appreciation for knowledge that Satan values
This and his lack of morality and empathy

well, the ninth gate was hidden in all 3 books and corso was the only one to figure it out, didn't he?

he wouldn't have figured out shit if The Devil didn't want him to. Without help from 'The Girl' (who is either The Devil or one of his servants) he would have been killed several times over before even getting close, and might never have found the last piece of the puzzle.

I wonder what goes through Polanski's head when he casts his own wife in scenes like that.

I think she became his wife afterwards.

I've watched this movie like 10 times on VHS

The two old book-binders possessed the original one and faked the three books, didn't they?
Why didn't they enter the ninth gate?

they were all originals my man

they all had different pages that were authentic.

You need all three to enter the ninth gate.

I think it's something that seems weird as a viewer but if you were on the set, not so much. Filming sex scenes is awkward for everyone, it's not like his wife or Depp were having fun. It's just work

If anything he probably enjoys teasing the audience, they get to watch but he gets to touch. It's like showing off your hot trophy wife/gf at a party but on a much larger scale

Nope.

He married her in 1989.

Bitter Moon was filmed in 1992 and The Ninth Gate was filmed in 1999.

Yeah and compared to the messed up shit in Bitter Moon, the sex scene in 9th Gate seems tame.

Bitter Moon ends up with her husband murdering her while she's in bed with the other guy's wife, right?

No, originally there were more than three books, so it doesn't make sense.

The book-binders admitted it's possible to fake the books, and they were the ones who made the fake page as well.

Isn't Lucifer supposed to be evil?

Yes. Then he offs himself.

Is that Amber Heard and Johnny Depp's wedding night?

i suggest you re watch the movie before pretending to know what you're talking about.

The book is different.

For one, the girl is a fallen angel.

Lucifer is spoken of very vaguely, mostly in the sense of how they all fought for some sense of freedom, to be able to choose what their own lives would be like.

I remember reading a theory that Corso was the Devil in human form. There are certain scenes that support this.

>For one, the girl is a fallen angel.
no, she IS the devil.

>It is Corso's unquenchable curiosity and appreciation for knowledge that Satan values.

It didn't really come off like that to me. It was more along the lines of "I choose Corso because I fucking can, I'm the Devil". Or maybe that Corso was the only one who didn't want to bend the Devil to his will through the book.

I'm saying that in the book the film was adapted from, she's a fallen angel, nothing more. Not the whore of Babylon, not Lucifer himself.

>"Imagine him," she said in the same absorbed tone. "The most beautiful of the fallen angels plotting alone in his empty palace ... He clings desperately to a routine he despises, but which at least allows him to hide his grief. To hide his failure." The girl laughed gently, joylessly, as if from a great distance. "He misses heaven."

It's allegory. Here's an excerpt from a review that I think hits the nail on the head:

"He isn't a notably better or worse human being when he enters the ninth gate, but his desires have changed. He isn't looking for cash, but knowledge. And there, finally, the film starts to fall into place. Many people are caught up with the terms "The Devil" and "Hell", assuming the first must be evil and the second must be unpleasant. But that presupposes a Christian point of view that Polanski lacks. The ending mocks such positions. The Devil of The Ninth Gate is amoral, not immoral. (And there is no God. This isn't Christianity; the existence of the Devil is no proof of the existence of God because he isn't "that" devil.) He is the goal of life, in the abstract. The members of the Satanic cult couldn't enter the ninth gate because they were either looking with faith, which gets you nothing, or just going through the motions to be hip, which gets you less. Balkan failed because he wanted power for himself. He let emotion win out over thought, and fried for it. But Corso never lets belief dictate his behavior. He never has a religious epiphany. He's always calm and logical. And that's why he wins. The prize isn't ultimate power or eternal torment. It's just the next puzzle."

"Does of The Ninth Gate have a positive view of The Devil? As much as it has any view at all, yes. But there's no horned monster waiting to be released upon the Earth. This is a fairy tale, and Satan is a symbol. There are no frights in the movie because this devil is nothing to fear."

Yes, it makes sense thousands of those books were burned, and the only three that survived had just the right combination of LCF pictures in it. What a coincidence.

Those glasses are fucking dope

No, the guy who sent him out to investigate the books knew, but since he was one of the people who owned a copy of the book he couldn't move openly with out other people finding out.

I think, its been fucking forever since I've seen it.

are you fucking retarded?

I thought as well she wasn't real and Corso had a Tyler Durden thing going on.

A little bit, but what does that have to do with the price of tea in china?

good one r3ddit

I think I'm going to watch this move, I never did when it came out.

What am I in for?

think Chinatown meets Rosemary's Baby, though with a more humorous, tongue-in-cheek tone than either of those. It's about people competing for the chance to become an invincible, immortal prince of hell or the equivalent thereof, with the main character, a book expert, caught in the middle during an investigation he was hired for.

>mfw the succubus was actually Rosemary's baby all grown up

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the entire half of the book was just a giant red herring, such bullshit. glad polanski threw out the musketeers plot.

why does such a good movie feel like such a bad one?

I really liked it but at the end I wondering if I was being tricked somehow.

>why does such a good movie feel like such a bad one?
pleb

the theme is borderline shlock

shlock?

get the fuck out of here you jew.

If you want to watch a movie like it done right then just watch Eyes Wide Shut.

It's tongue-in-cheek, as in not meant to be taken 100% seriously. Same reason people think films like King of New York or Hackers are bad, because they take them at face value.

The scene where Balkan confronts the cult is pure, delicious camp. Webm related

He chose Corso for the same reason he chooses most people.

Corso was the better man. Because of how much sweeter it is to corrupt a good man than to take a souls that's selfishly offered.

He's not a good man. He's completely amoral, and that's part of the reason he was chosen.

A really good movie

Read.

Better man. Out of all interested, no better man coveted the answer.

So he got the best man who also best understood the arcane knowledge.

The rest were pieces of shit who were going to end up in the devil's thrall regardless.

I thought she was just someone that found all the books centuries ago.

I haven't seen either of those. Guess I have some movie watching to do today.

Depends on what you mean by "better man." He was certainly The Devil's favorite, but he wasn't any more moral or ethical than Balkan or Telfer. He just had different motivations and methods. It's his thirst for knowledge that sealed the deal. The Devil values knowledge above all else. In the director's commentary, Polanski talk about the snake in the garden of Eden, as well as the Greek myth of Prometheus.

He doesn't want slavish worshippers or power-hungry psychos, he wants an amoral, smart and curious disciple.

They're all from the same director. Also check out Repulsion, The Tenant and Macbeth

Mumbo jumbo... mumbo jumbo!

completely different you fucking faggot

go back to plebbit

Corso was chosen because he was an atheist.

Checkmate.

Basically; this is more of a Luciferian Devil than a Christian one

his therapist said in order to stop wanting to fuck 13 year old girls in the ass he'd have to become a cuck. it worked

Read the book. The film covers only about half of the novel.

:)

Wait, I thought the goat was the devil

No, she's the whore that rides the beast.

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In the film it's intentionally ambiguous. My assumption is that she's both The Devil and The Whore of Babylon. There's no definitive interpretation though, and that comes straight from Polanski

>Why the devil chose Corso, not Balkan? Why was Corso special?

All those other fuckers wanted something. Corso was just a seeker.