So, I'm a manager at a chain pizza place...

So, I'm a manager at a chain pizza place, and I have strong reason to believe one of the delivery drivers is drinking on the job pretty much every day. The thing is, he is one of our better workers, never fucks up, and seems perfectly fine. I normally wouldn't care if a crew member drinks as long as he does his job well, but this guy takes about 20 deliveries every day. Should I report him to the GM? I don't want to cost the guy his job since I like him, but I'm not sure if it is alright to just let him go on like this. Also, I have no idea how the fuck he acts so normal when he smells like a literal bottle of vodka.

>obviously doing a good job
>hurr durr lets fire him
Op I would ignore it until something happens, just act surprised if he crashes or a customer reports him

give him some weed so he stops drinking problem solved.

Alcoholic who works at a recreational marijuana dispensary reporting in.

That won't work.

What chain? I know a guy like this

well, its not only that he smells of alcohol every day. i have also gotten a call recently from some random person who said one of our workers was swerving on the road. (they described his car). On a separate occasion, I helped him take a large delivery to his car since there were like 30 pizzas, and I noticed a few empty bottles in his backseat.
haha, i'm not really sure how i'd go about doing that. i don't even smoke weed.

little caesars

just be careful that if he gets caught drinking and driving on the job that you dont get any shit for it as manager.

Is he only there temporarily, like a summer job or a full time one?

Bring it up with him privately. Tell him you don't want to fire him because performance, but it's something you can't ignore because it'll be a problem if a customer reports it to customer service. (Case in point, random caller about his driving.) Also tell him there's insurance costs, potential legal liability and fines on both of you, stuff like that.

Those reasons should be enough to at least get him to rein it in enough to stop smelling like vodka, if he's reasonable about it. If he's unwilling, warn him that while you appreciate his work, you're not willing to put your ass on the line for a $50k fine if one of the aforementioned situations pops up and that you'll have to take it to GM. Also warn him that the fine isn't just to you the employer, it'll also be a fine to him the employee.

From OP's post, I'd expect a full time.

Nah please don't. Talk to him and ask him if he's going through something hard in his personal life. Be a good friend bro.

But if he doesn't stop in a week or two then maybe do something, but give him a chance bro. Be there for him and maybe you guys will end up good friends or something. Be that support that he might need or at least give him a chance for now.

Short version: Give him a warning and tell him to brood at home with alcohol.

He acts normal because he's an alcoholic. He could be dealing with a breakup, a death, a loss of his family or something.

Talk to him OP please. Please don't get him in trouble without giving him a chance to change first and explain himself to you as well.

Once you warn him and give him another chance whatever happens later he can't stay mad at you because you warned him and gave him a chance.

Be a good human bro, be a good bro, talk to him about it. Tell him that others can smell that he's wasted.

he's been with us for about 2 years, so i've ignored it for a pretty long time. however, the random call from that person kind of freaked me out, and increased my suspicion of him. i always had doubts since he never acts drunk in the slightest. he gets about 30-39.5 hours a week, kek. its kind of messed up, but little caesars is cheap and doesn't give crew members full time

tell em you rather he be alive and useful instead of dead and wasting food when he inevitability crashes

It is incumbent upon you if you're being serious to address the problem if he's swerving. He's actively putting people's lives in danger. Everyone has a right to do with their own body whatever they want - in my opinion, as long as the guy does his job well, he should be judged as an employee for his on-the-clock performance. But it crosses a line when he's swerving, because he's endangering other people.

I say you should:
1) Have a talk with him and explain he should stick to public transit. If applicable, say him even being drunk in public may be itself a crime (public intoxication, but that's not illegal in my state).

2) Explain that even you knowing about it puts you in a precarious situation. Almost certainly, your company's policy demands you to fire an employee on the spot in this situation. Even the fact that you're aware and not doing that puts your own job in jeopardy. Explain to this guy he should be grateful you're not firing him on the spot, and that he has to at least pretend he's not constantly drunk. He has to put some damn Axe spray on, get some Tic-Tacs, and at least God damn pretend he's a half-way normal person. Meanwhile, you have to play dumb about it all to protect your job.

haha just stop in a week or two?... alcoholics dont work like that bro, especially if hes onto hard liquor even with a good support from family and friends he cant just stop, withdrawals would drive him insane and possibly put him in the hospital depending how bad he is.. although i do agree you could try and talk to him maybe he has no one he can go to, then again some people really dont give a shit and wont help themselves until life hits them like a train and its too late.

Yeah, well bring it up to him. Say that people are reporting that he's driving like a drunk and that you guys can get fined heavily and that it can cost you your job too.

So ask him how you can help him to help stop drinking on the job?

Tell him to maybe go to a therapist if he drinks to calm his anxiety or something, he can get some medication like xanax to keep him not so edgy on the job, but tell him that he can't go on like this because you hate to see such a good worker go down the drain.

Be good to him, dont' report him for now...but if he won't change his tune in the next few weeks either tell him you have to report him or that he'll get fired and if he doesn't get the point then you gotta do what you gotta do.

You're a good man for considering this and not just snitching on him my man. Kudos to you. Bless your heart.

Be a manager and fire his stupid fucking ass you beta fuck.

You're not doing the drunk retard any favors by letting him think it's OK to show up to work loaded.

You can't be this fucking stupid.

He can drink at home bro. Just not on the job. He can start weaning down.

I was an alcoholic that drank for 5 years straight. I slowly weaned myself down by drinking beer. Now I only drink once every month or two and only beer.

If I have a bottle of liquor around me I don't wanna drink it. I have jagermeister at home and I haven't touched it in 4 months.

No, firing him is wrong. He's a good worker. And we're all human and he could be going through something difficult in his life.

Dont' be so quick to judge people asshole. Mk?

Damnit, Randell, I don't you not to worry about it. I got shit under control.

You'd be surprised to know just how many people come to work drunk or fucked up on drugs. It's like a third of all people, legal or illegal drugs or buzzed and you wouldn't know cuz coffee and gum and cologne.

Lol. Who cares. It's a fuckin corporate pizza shop. He's gonna drive drunk regardless of employment, and he can get a job at another pizza place in a day. If he's so far gone he's chugging vodka at work a talking to won't do a God damned thing. Here's my advice, get a job somewhere respectable. You make what, 8 to 11 dollars an hour and net 27 hours a week it not less. There's bigger fish to fry.

It's good to be a good human and talk to him about how you can help him so that he doesn't feel the need to drink on the job and to ask him if he's going through any personal problems or that if he's drinking because he has an anxiety issue or something and he tries to calm his social anxiety or something...

Come on bro, let's try to make the world better one by one. If you wanna see good change in the world start with yourself, be the change you want to see in the world.

Even though he is a good worker, one way or the other you are going to lose him for a period of time. If he is an alcoholic he needs treatment, if he gets through treatment he may relapse. This is a better and shorter alternative to the foreseeable future; he will a/another dui, he will kill someone in an automobile accident, or he may just kill himself in one. Maybe he functions as an alcoholic long enough to die from complications. Any way you choose yer rolling the dice. Just depends the stakes and how much you wanna bet.

>manager
>pizza place
>concerned about employee performance
>trying this hard for mediocrity

you were the special ed kid who demanded better of his special ed classmates

OP here. Upon consideration, I don't think I will report him to the GM quite yet, (although this might be ethically wrong, as he is putting other drivers at risk). I think I will just talk to him next time the GM isn't there and ask him what is going on, and tell him about possible legal trouble as an user above suggested. The thing is, I know he probably won't quit, and will just hide it better, which really puts me in a tough situation, since I genuinely care about the guy as well as the safety of other "normal" people.

Here is another thing that worries me. What if I bring it up with him, and then something bad happens on the road due to his drinking? Then it will be out there that I talked to a fucking alcoholic who makes a living out of driving, and I didn't fire him on the spot.

He can wean himself down. Let's not pretend that every alcoholic that quits goes through rehab.

People have quit by themselves many times, it just takes a strong will.

>queering this vigorously

Bring it up, document it, find out company policy. Cover your own ass anf possibly ask GM for advice. Either way the dude needs help, but if he wont help himself at all after you offer then there is nothing you can do to change him. So cut bait.

I just know sometimes one person that's a total stranger or a coworker can make a big difference by being there for a coworker or just talking to them about their problem.

Sometimes people think that they're getting away and people can't see their drinking problem or drug problem, but people notice.

Just talking to him could be the wake up call that he needs. And I'm sure he really needs that money too, people don't work pizza because they don't need money.

Just want OP to do the right thing. Blessings to you my friend.

You don't understand how addiction works. You can't just sit down, have a nice little chat about anxiety and expect someone to not be an addict. Lol. How naive are you? If he's drinking heavily on the job dude is so far gone he's knocking on heaven's door. I have a bad alcohol problem myself, been drinking every day heavily for 8 years, between a 6 and and 12 pack every and I'm not far gone enough to drink on the job.

True enough, I am a bit doctrinated after multiple rehabs. Just depends on if they want to quit or not really.

Yeah, let him drive drunk and kill somebody. After all, you only care about the drunk. Just wait and see, good choice. ?

you just need to let Darwin do his thing. Stop interfering in the lives of others. If the job gets done, who are you to judge by what means?

Personally, I'm a graphic designer. If the client likes their logo, does it really matter that I was tripping balls while I made it?

Not your problem just don't drive in a car with him

Of course I understand how addiction works. I quit drinking after 10 years of drinking since I was 15 and I quit heroin after using it for 3 years.

I probably know more about addiction than you from personal experience and from reading.

>being this much of a fucking idiot
bait. Has to be. No one is this fucking stupid.

You're his manager, not his friend or psychiatrist you fucking retard. There are 100 more other people out there who can do the job if you maybe did yours, faggot.

No one's asking him to quit drinking idiot, just not drink on the job.

He can drink himself to death at home if he feels like it. But the manager should tell him to wean himself down once he's ready at home.

The key is to tell him that he can't drink on the job no more. Comprehend what I wrote first before you write some stupid shit you autist.

Just call the cops on him

Bro some people could just be starting drinking and drink on the job 'cause they think they can get away with it. How far you're gone and what you do is different from person to person.

Some people are violent drunks and start fights every time they're drunk, some are happy, some just pass out, just like that that's different too.

Oh and sorry for calling you an autist, I thought you were calling me names or something or calling me stupid. But you weren't, you just said naive. All good :)

ITT: A simple answer of just 'Firing' him and moving on turns into an alcohol debate.

Bunch of useless fucks you are. Fire him and move on, it's that simple. Dramatic Faggots.

So, who cares. Dude aint gonna quit, aint none of this dudew business either. If you don't like working with drunks find a more respectable profession.

tell him off the record, like hey i'm not reporting you is everything okay? and seriously tell him he needs to change the drinking because if you get a real complaint you will report it.

so if you give him a chance and he fucks up again then you just follow protocol. but don't let him put it on you. you're actually being cool and not firing him, everyone has a bad day or month once in a while. if he had his shit all sorted he wouldn't be working with you. (no disrespect) so he probably really needs the job, he might just not be satisfied, if he's a good employee maybe he wants to move up and is bored so he's self sabotaging. or maybe he's got personal issues.

like many anons already said, give him a chance. if this wake up call doesn't do it then you do what you must. you don't want to endanger your job either.

So how are you now dude?
I've been drinking beer about 12 years every day. Now stopped it.

You're gross. You're a gross person with a disgustingly altruistic perspective on life. I genuinely would rather all of my employees suffer in fatal accidents than speak to a single one of them about issues not directly related to work. I hope the next time you try to help somebody with their personal issues, they beat you to a quivering pulp in the street.

TL;DR - Go back to church little faggot.

Yeah, you really have to want to do it. You have to have a big reason you do it for. For the kids, to make your mom proud of you, and just not to kill yourself down that road...stuff like that.

If getting buzzed is more important to you than what your kids think of you, or the quality of their life with their parents, or that your mother is disappointed in you, if getting buzzed is more important than your biggest wants and desires in life or your values, then you're fucked.

You have to want it bad enough that you'll keep in mind what you're doing it for and grind through the hard days when you really wanna get high on some heroin or alcohol or whatever.

Have you considered he could have a medical problem like tonsilitis, which makes the breath smell Sulfury? Often it smells like acidic alcohol hangover. I know, i have it ;(

He deserves one morning. We're human after all.

Don't be a fegit. Are you a corporate dick sucking robot fegit or a human being?

Things aren't so black and white when people go through problems and life can be pretty harsh. It's good to be human even with those that you have authority over.

LOLOLOL You don't chug liquor on the job if you don't have a serious problem. Sure. He's just risking a dui 8 hours a day for the fun of it. As I said, naive.

dude if he tells any superiors they'll fire the guy instantly. you're a cold mother fucker. this isn't a shark tank man, it's a pizza place. he's not even the owner. it would be stupid to back-stab to get nowhere.

Nice. I'm of the same opinion. Good to know there are good people out there.

It's not your responsibility to rat him out.

If he does his job as well as you say then you don't have any reason to assume he's drinking on the job. Leave him alone. Who knows what he's dealing with

Report him, don't just fire him, report him. He should not have a license if he is an alcoholic. He needs to sort himself out before he wipes himself or someone else out.
If anything happens the likelihood is you will have plausible deniability but you will know you let it happen.
Just because he does a good job or seems like a nice guy doesn't mean you can morally let yourself off the hook.

refer to
>I noticed a few empty bottles in his backseat.

you should talk to him about his behavior...

>confusing tonsilitis with the typical smell of scrotal gargling

I drank three to five days a week for 10 years since I was 15... I quit 3 years ago or so ... now only drink once every month or two or so.

How long did you quit for?

say 'faggot' you faggot.

it's true?
Watches at 0 $?

Yep. Alcoholic here. He's right.

whoa buddy have a drink

>poorfag detected

Being a dick is one thing, being reasonable and taking care of business is another. The guy is intoxicated on the road, endangering others as well as himself, and you're talking to me about compassion?

You fire him, move on, and in two weeks it's the past. Little faggots like you who want to over-dramatize everything and stick emotions before business interests are the ones who get no where.

You fire him and give him some AA pamphlets, end of story. It's not like he's losing a fucking pension ffs and if he's an addict, there's no way he should be working with a vehicle anyway.

You're retarded.

Op, fire him and move on. In two weeks, it will be a distant memory.

How do you like living life being a bitter and miserable piece of shit?

Enjoy your life dipshit.

Remember that all humans are meant to be social creatures, no matter how antisocial and introverted you are.

It's good to be good to others because there will come a time in your life when you'll need a favor or help or a second chance and then maybe you'll just get fucked in the ass because karma does its job. Sometimes it takes some time but i'll make it's way around.

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You can be an alcoholic without drinking on the job. Many alcoholics do it.

What the fuck is wrong with you? Why are you so stupid? How old are you kid?

I keep forgetting 12 year olds hang out here too.

i'm sorry if that was harsh. It just makes me nauseated to read nonsense like "you can make a difference in somebody's life!" or "talking to him could be the wake up call he needs"

>Blessings to you my friend
really faggot?

Can you use him for connections? Can you blackmail him? How can you use him? You have something on him don't squander it by being a good person it doesn't pay in the end.

This man here knows how it's meant to be done.

>humans are meant to be social creatures
>we're talking about business, a false ecosystem that we invented

For fuck sakes, people like just need to shut your fucking mouths. You can get him help OUTSIDE of work but if there is no fucking way you can allow someone like that to work for you. He chose to pick up the bottle and knew what it meant if he did, and now it's your problem? Give me a break angel boy.

You get him help but there is no way you allow him to work for you unless you're equally as stupid.

Starting to think this whole thread is bait.

That will only make him drink harder and maybe kill himself.

You heard he's a good worker. He deserves a second chance motherfucker.

Why are we as a society so quick to ruin people's records and lives?

Most if not all people have ALL driven tipsy above the limit, anyone that drinks that I know has done it many times, and some not many, but definitely a few.

So quit being such a fegit and realize that the DUI laws are shit. Being tipsy doesn't kill people.

It's the morons that get hammered beyond sanity that fuck people up in blackouts or to the point where they lose their coordination.

I doubt anyone killed anyone by drinking 2 beers and if they did it's because they weren't paying attention or some other shit, the beer isn't necessarily a factor all the time in those small doses.

>karma does its job
>sometimes

Namaste away from you else I catch a case

feggit*

>>Blessings to you my friend
>really faggot?

yeah i read that too i was like whoa too much.
but op firing drunk pizza boy is too much too.
like a lot of people have said, this might be fixable.

OP, drunk driving accidents that result in injury and death is extremely common. I say, you do the right thing and fire him. As you said, he has been doing this for 2 years now. He obviously has no plans of changing. If a guy can drink every day and drive for a living, he obviously has no respect for anyone around him, so why should you have respect for him? Fire him. If you don't an accident will inevitably happen, and you will have to live with the fact that you could have prevented it if you had just made the choice to fire him. This is pretty much black and white.

Who gives a shit

He delivers the pizzas leave him the fuck alone, pretend like you don't know

It's your duty to report it, lest you be responsible for a) the person he inevitably kills, and b) the lawsuit against your company that follows it

>Can you blackmail him? How can you use him? You have something on him don't squander it

it's a pizza place dude? you're fucking mental

Can you fucking read? I said if you drink on the job your so far gone you're beyond help. Of course most alcoholics don't drink at work.

>I'm responsible for everyone's lives and decisions
>thinking that not reporting him is better for his health

You sound like one of those cucks who's gf cheats on him, then says 'guys, she's really the victim here, look how sad she is'

Thank you sir.

I've been through a lot in my life and although I was depressed and really bitter and mad at the world for like 5 years, I've realized that's not a good way to live.

We as humans have to support each other or else we will live like animals in this world with no love or compassion but just competitors and rivals.

That's no good way to live.

>he smells like a literal bottle of vodka
Functional alcoholic is functional.

If he fucks up and gets in to an accident do you really think him losing his job is going to stop that happening? He's still going to drive, he'll probably get a job somewhere else as a delivery driver as that's what seems to be working for him. Either that or he'll hit the bottle even harder.

You'll just move the problem somewhere else. You need to talk to him about getting sober.

My stance is that OP is managing a pizza joint. Meddling in the lives of others is not in the job description.

If OP was a hospital administrator, and drunk delivery driver was instead drunk surgeon, I'd have different advice.

/thread

Buncha fucking moral poorfags in here. Jesus Christ you people are fucking stupid. Guy is on the road drunk and you're allowing him because 'hurrr durr we don't want to hurt his feelings and make his life worse' kek

I drank since 23 yo. Now i drink once a week saturday. I'm quit 1 year ago.

Op literally said there have been empty bottles of vodka in his car and he reeks of the stuff at work.
How is letting him continue good for him or anyone else involved, including op and other road users/ pedestrians?
Sounds like someone is butt hurt over a previous DUI

i didnt get promoted to GM at Clarion without starting each day with 2 highball screwdrivers and another 2 at lunch.

If your son was working for you and was an alcoholic, would you report him?

No, I'm pretty sure you'd give him a second chance, and so this man deserves a second chance too.

I'm sure there's illegal shit you do or have done and you didn't go to the police station and report yourself for all of it. Did you? Didn't think so.

Yeah, that guy is a fucking retard

kek

Caring about drunk driving is for retarded women

I'm sure blackmailing a pizza delivery guy with an alcohol problem is going to turn out super profitable.

Oy vey... the jew is strong in some people.

No, it's just good to show people the same compassion we like to show ourselves much more than others.

And women who cheat are scum. Dated 2 of those. Wanted evidence of it so I planted a secret recorder in the bitch's car.

Heard her talking with some guy after work and clearly they were close.

Got all my shit from her and left the dumb bitch with finesse.

>I wouldn't allow my son to work before dealing with his issue
>would find him help

the second chance is getting them help. not allowing them to work you fucking autist. If his job was working in the back, stacking crates it would be one thing, but he's a driver.

How fucking stupid are you?

true, but a friendly nudge might help out. but i don't disagree

>you sound like one of those cucks
>proves he's one of those cucks

Grassing McGrassy is a grass.

Let's all just agree it's a fucking pizza job and you aren't going to stop this guy from driving. He's probably less likely to kill someone being intoxicated and having an extremely high tolerance than your average 16 year old kid texting. Who cares. You fire him, he gets a job a dominos the next day. My original advice is to get a job where you don't have to deal with scumbags.

Right on. Don't start drinking regularly again 'cause it tends to sneak up on you.

But I think if you don't drink more than once a week it's safe, personally I feel it's not too much, and I've been doing that a few years now and haven't started drinking heavily again.

I kind of got over it for some reason. Stopped enjoying getting hammered, but I do enjoy the occasional buzz.

And one of the bigger reasons I quit is because it fucks up your sleep patterns and gives you insomnia and after drinking for some time you'll stop being able to sleep heavily without being drunk. It's retarded.

Competition and rivalry is the only way to live, whether animal or human. Advancement is only achieved by one-upping the last guy.

Whiny little leftist