"Yes, we should have open borders- Gary Johnson

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Fuck me I thought that was just a meme

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explain to me how simplifying immigration system to bring down the number of illegals in the country to make sure they pay taxes and are can help bring in money into the economy with less occupational licensing regulation to lessen reliance on the welfare state a bad thing

>in b4 muh white nation

Well shit, I guess I'm center-right now, Johnson is just as Vicky as Clinton

They go back and come back in legally. No other way to ensure it. Open to other ideas. Lay it on me brother.

Libertarianism is literally jewish communism. It's just a way to dissolve the state and put all property in the hands of jews.

>what interstate commerce

he never said open immigration, shitheads.

libertarianism has ALWAYS been open borders

libertarians = mini-statists = not based nationalist

that damage control

if they havent broken any laws not on welfare know English pretty well just give them an easy path to citizenship

the incredible amount of money people have to throw away just to come here without any priority from a business is ridiculous and its thousands that could be used to start a business or invest in that instead is given to bureaucrats and lawyers

Another cuck trying make money from destrying the west. Day of the rope when?

>Maybe if I inb4, that will automatically invalidate the very real value of race, culture and the reality that diversity creates strife & social tension.

>if they haven't broken any laws
They broke federal law the moment they crossed the border.
>just give them an easy path to citizenship
No.

Hahaha lolbertarians are such a joke...
Glad I left that party...

Well you can forget about him helping Hillary now.

>libertarianism has ALWAYS been open borders

really, then why do some people here like it?

if you have open borders then you don't even have a country

>its thousands that could be used to start a business or invest
We don't want them here and we don't want their money.

And that is why you can never trust a libertarian. You just want to turn the same people who are illegal now into legal immigrants. All you fucks care about is
>muh $$$

Not identity, not culture and certainly not race. For you and Goldman Sachs the melting pot meme may be great. Hopefully this mentality will be rooted out in Europe soon.

"My vision of the border with Mexico is that a truck from the United States going into Mexico and a truck coming from Mexico into the United States will pass each other at the border going 60 miles an hour. Yes, we should have open borders."

How is that communism?

And this is why so many libertarians eventually become nationalists.

>They work the lowest-paying jobs. And they are taking jobs that other Americans don't necessarily want. They're hardworking people who are taking jobs that others don't want.

I FUCKING HATE THIS FALLACY

Why do libertarians have to be such faggots. I want to be free too, but I don't want to look at short, fat brown Mexicans while I'm doing it. I mean what's the point of being happy and free if these goblin looking motherfuckers are all over the place?

the libertarian party isn't libertarian

it's liberals who are fleeing their side because it's gotten out of control

I had to leave the party this election season, everyone in it is fucking trash

Because it makes sense. I'm not against immigration, I'm against the government subsidizing it with my money, and preventing me from shooting them for stealing my shit.

>you don't have a country without borders!

Yes, that is kind of the point. I would much rather have a small local government that actually manages affairs competently than a massive state that can barely raise tax.

The goal of communism is the dissolution of the state and putting all property into the hands of the "proletariat" [aka jews who appoint themselves as caretakers of the revolution].

Libertarians are absolute cancer and should be killed en mass.

I used to be a libertarian when I was younger but it's just not sustainable. The diehard group believes in free movement just like liberals.

In theory it's a good idea and it worked a century ago (keep in mind that US citizens used to run guns to Mexico during their Civil Wars early in the 20th Century) but too many issues right now.

But "The Wall" is stupid too. Cheaper to invade, wipe out the vermin, and annex the territory. The original plan during the Mexican American war was to annex much further South, but the government decided not to risk it because they didn't have all of the information.

So, why not just refuse to hire Mexicans, rent to Mexicans, or service Mexicans until they leave?

If the government isn't preventing you from doing so, you are fully in your rights to do so.

yes he did

if you're a proper libertarian be vocal in denouncing this trash and rationally explain it to people why open borders and a government period are mutually exclusive

libertarians are not anarchists, and without a defined citizenry, there is no government

Fucking. Retarded.

our 'mini states' job is essentially only Border Security. Read a book on the subject for god sakes user.

>Libertarian
>2016

You chuckle fucks still haven't figured out it's a meme? Get on this new form of Trump nationalism or get the fuck out.

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>your small local government will be able to exclude people
the border starts on the national level as it stands right now retard

your small local government has no power

you know what you'll get when the immigrants come in? it'll be worse

>idiots

He's talking about trade goods, not wetbacks. As governor of N.M. he had the lowest rate of illegal immigration.

>"the work visa does fall under the Constitution and that would be a federal rule. It would be complicated if you had a work visa in New Mexico and Colorado would not honor it. When President George W. Bush proposed amnesty he never meant dual citizenship and thats why in my opinion that the issue did not advance. Then he backed off. Why do we elect a president? We elect a president to lead and push the dialogue and make people understand."

California doesn't check to see if people are legal before giving them benefits. As long as they have a drivers license they get it. I live in California. So you're not wrong. You just don't know what's going on on the ground.

>it's the le libertarianism is the same as communism
kill yourself faggot

Most of us are riding the authoritarian-nationalist wave with Trump. its a FAR better option than any others and steps in the generally right direction all shit considered.

>Dissolution of the state
No, dictatorship of the proletariat is simply that the proletariat is the holder of political power.
>"proletariat" [aka jews who appoint themselves as caretakers of the revolution].
A proletariat is not a Jew caretaker, or appointee, or anything of the above. A proletariat is at its very core a worker in an industrial society. A worker is usually in Marxist terms someone that creates value.

>Libertarians are absolute cancer and should be killed en mass.

Good thing I don't disarm myself.

most libertarians are more nationalist than republicans

the thing libertarianism is fundamentally based upon is that the state is necessary, it has few essential functions, and civic involvement and nationalism is key

country first is how this country used to operate, and libertarians largely want the way things used to be

all these open borders cucks are fucking leftist pieces of shit just making a grab for power with what they think are populist messages

>libertarianism is Jewish communism

I thought regular communism was Jewish?

>your small local government has no power

That is sort of the point. If my local government is shit, or I do not consent to it, I can easily leave.

>the border starts on the national level as it stands right now retard

A border is just fixed territory. That is it. There is nothing magic about it.

>you know what you'll get when the immigrants come in? it'll be worse

If immigrants are genuinely fucking things up and being unproductive, then they'll either starve or get shot for stealing. If I want to be proactive about this, I just don't do business with immigrants.

because massive corporations have more labour buying power than a simple user, and they don't really have a stake in the society of their country because they are rich enough to let everything else go to shit?

why don't libertarians understand that privately owned companies can be as cancerous as the government and usually are worse because their sole reason for existing is $$$?

>mfw a fellow "libertarian" doesn't understand supply and demand near me
Gary Johnson fucking DISGUSTS me

>muh identity
your no better than that special tumblr snowflakes

>I-IM WHITE GUYS LOOK AT MY SKIN COLOR AND MY BACKGROUND THE PEOPLE WHO JIZZED IN MY SKIN MADE THINGS THAT MAKES ME SPECIAL AND ANYONE WHO IS NOT LIKE ME IS CRAP NO MATTER WHAT THEY MAKE WITH THERE LIVES BECAUSE THEY COME FROM A NON WHITE JIZZ BRIGADE

take you entitled crap somewhere just its not a business fault you lack of skills is why they hired a turk for cheaper


cause that work so well in the 1920's
that's why your white trash

>WE WUZ INVENTORS AND SHIT SO IM SPECIAL

fair enough

I should have been more clear meant violent offenses or server

They broke the law the minute they crossed the border.
I spent 14 years gettingy citizenship, why should a spic cross the border and get "easy path to citizenship"?

>OH NO, THE CORPORATIONS ARE TAKING MY MONEY I AM WILLINGLY GIVING TO THEM

Don't buy from corporations that engage in behavior you consider unethical. This is a bit different from the status quo now, where you must give money to a government otherwise they will murder you.

Why should babies get instant citizenship?

this is why libertarianism is exactly the same as marxism in it's essence. identity is nothing, nation is nothing, only productivity matters.

juden raus.

>Made a shirt of him.
Also, if Bernie drops out we could convince them that he's the best canidate then we have the opurtunity to split primarily dem states between yellow and blue. There's no way to convert Bernouts to Trump in a heartbeat, but Johnson will bridge that gap.

true that's dumb and should be stopped but we should not punish all immigrants for the fault of a few and government polices

if they have ideas want to invest and be productive member0, provide services of the economy and are why should they be meant to leave

Fucking libertarians are no better and just as destructive as SJWs, kill yourself you degenerate faggot.

Wrong person?
I'm against anchor babies tho.

>i can leave
hey retard, did you forget that you'll be contained within a bigger one? now controlled by socialist loving shitskins?

>there is nothing magic about it
there are a wide range of "make believe" ideas that are nonetheless important social measures. Unless you ignore culture exists, which includes western values like liberty, then borders are absolutely important to enforce your way of life

>then theyll just
are you stupid? are you under the assumption the federal government won't still have an effect on you? are you one of those faggoty sovereign citizen retards?

>I just don't do business with immigrants
my point is that you WONT HAVE A CHOICE. that is what the fucking border is for

if you want to see what things look will look like nationally, which includes your make believe small town government, look to south africa or brazil

you won't be immune from the conflict like you seem to believe

im not the entitle ones m8

why
does your race personally automatically make you more valuable than someone else. Also explain to me who is taking your identity in libertarian your not made to do anything

why don't you read up on what ideology you're denouncing before doing so

libertarians generally believe that corporations are cancerous because the government has the power to empower them

Get rid of the welfare state and open borders actually becomes a good idea

>this guy continuously assuming his government will be dissolved in his lifetime
>doesn't understand the system he lives under will only get worse over time
seriously what the fuck is wrong with you?

>Gary for open borders

Precisely why he doesn't have a fucking chance, and can only muddle things up without ever being a viable candidate. Seriously, BORDER CONTROL AND IMMIGRATION CONTROL ARE THE BIGGEST FUCKING ISSUES WITH VOTERS WHO AREN'T LIBERAL, AND THIS FUCKER DOESN'T CARE.

Fuck Gary for even bothering with putting his name out in this election unless he secretly wants to help Hillary. If that's the case, then fuck libertarians, I voted for them from 2000-2012 but never again if this dipshit costs Trump his proper seat at the head of the table.

because most people are stupid? because advertising and brainwashing exist to make people do things against there better interests?

what is your vision of a libertarian paradise? it would be EXACTLY the same as things are now except with a ruined environment, even more multiculti, even more social degeneration etc. propaganda funneled through the tv and in school™ all owned by the same people or people with the same interests.

libertarians need to be purged from Sup Forums once and for all. you're just a bunch slimy big noses.

>one faggoty libertarian, likely a refugee from liberalism, is representative of the whole
you have to be a retard to believe culture isn't a thing and doesn't have consequences

Libertarianism works when there isn't another system built on top of it... However with Corporations and Megabanks that are currently operating unchecked, you have suedogovernments that operate by their own rules and laws and controlling resources. Controlling commodity prices, etc.

We don't exist in a vacuum and Libertarians can't seem to acknowledge this

Alright, I'm confused at this point. My argument is that I want as much local government as possible compared to federal government.

Weak borders are not necessarily a good thing, but a reality therefore of a weak central government. There is no considerable problem with immigration if there is no incentive offered by states to immigrate there. I can simply not do business with immigrants,not rent to them, or hire them if I really want to consider that my ethical goal.

>are you stupid? are you under the assumption the federal government won't still have an effect on you? are you one of those faggoty sovereign citizen retards?

If I do not give the government money, can easily leave, and am armed, in what sense does the federal government have power over me?

>But they'll vote in more power for themselves!

At what point is this different than what we have now? The whole point is to curb power.

>are you one of those faggoty sovereign citizen retards?
Probably

>does your race personally automatically make you more valuable than someone else
false proposition. no one is saying this, if you can't understand the value of cultural and societal cohesion and the threat 3rd world immigration poses i don't see why you are here and not on tumblr.

>libertarians generally believe that corporations are cancerous because the government has the power to empower them

And modern governments only have the power to empower because they are empowered by the most successful and ruthless corporations that formed half-way into the countries modern economic development.

Most governments are little more than corporate mercenaries.

The only way to end this corruption is to create a society that values higher concepts than economic output and material existence.

no it doesn't

the bigger communities just destroy the smaller communities

>you and everyone in your nation hates mcdonalds and never wants to see one, votes with your wallet, etc.
>open borders
>slowly but surely new immigrants voting with their wallets for mcdonalds
>mcdonalds now everywhere
why are you people imagining a world where culture and laws don't exist in a thread about libertarianism

and you assume Gary Johnson or anyone else will ever get rid of the welfare state

google "government inertia"

My point is more that it's completely fucking arbitrary and is used for political purposes.

>IT'S NOT FAIR THAT I HAD TO BE A CITIZEN
Like millions of immigrants didn't have citizenship when millions of blacks automatically became citizens to steer elections.

Everyone looks after their own tribe, retard. You're the kind of scumbag that'd throw millions of poor whites to the sharks because spics will work for less. Never mind that they'll also condemn your nation to an eternity of socialist rule.

Europeans are the only fucking people who don't get this anymore, whether they're libertarians putting greed above all else or progressives wallowing in self-loathing. Every other race sticks to its own. In their own nations they openly discriminate against others and practice nepotism for their own. When they immigrate, they accumulate in ghettos and speak their own languages. Should they ever achieve positions of influence they transparently engage in nepotism for their own people.

Whites(and jews) are the only fucking people masturbating to globalized, multicultural, equilibrium societies. Everyone else is still competing.

fuck this dude

Because whites (and to lesser extent east asians) are the only races worth a shit

If you wipe them out you wipe out all potential for humanity

Then simply... don't do business with people, and don't eat the propaganda. The only real difference between this and now is that corporations do not have the right to your person as the government does. You are an adult, do your own research and make your own conclusions.


My version of a libertarian paradise is one where I can fuck off without the government trying to burn down my house or predator drone me for not giving it 1/3 of my income to spend on predator drones and welfare.

dude i give up. if you honestly have literally zero social/cultural conscience you are either autistic or underage or both.

>My version of a libertarian paradise is one where I can fuck off without the government trying to burn down my house or predator drone me for not giving it 1/3 of my income to spend on predator drones and welfare.
literally muh shekels.

reminder that all libertarians are just ancap shills and most of them do it for free

Trump helped me grow out of my libertarian phase, and this is proof positive Gay Johnson is another kike puppet.

i have no problem with a small amount of illegals. It's just come to a tipping point and they are a financial burden. I've waited in line for food stamps, I've seen the thousands of Mexicans in those offices. They go into the back offices with a translator and their kids and come out with medical and food stamp cards. I can go into more detail of you want.

if you have a citizenry that votes, or even a community that organizes itself...at some point there is the ability to exclude others

our states cannot do this, only the federal government can, hence when protecting the national border is necessary

you can advocate for your smaller government system, but until it's there, not being able to exclude only makes it less likely

your argument doesn't belong in this conversation essentially, and I would agree with it.

the problem with your attitude that you'll just not do business with them assumes that they won't affect you in another way. Assuming you aren't actually forced to do business with them, as you are legally compelled to now, they'll still vote and affect you at the state and federal level, if not even at your ideal local level. South american immigrants tend to vote for welfare, and don't fully integrate into our culture for at least 40 years, if ever.

>if I do not give the government money etc.
>how does the federal government have power over me
assuming you're talking about an ideal world and not crazy, then it comes down to libertarianism vs. anarchy. This argument comes down to whether or not you think your anarchy society would be able to withstand foreign nations trying to conquer, or otherwise invade, defeat, or dilute it. If not, then you're a libertarian. As a libertarian, you necessarily believe the government needs to be big enough to defend itself. Your small local government would not be able to do this, hence why a federal government would have power over you.

>how is this different from now
make no mistake, just because it's bad now doesn't mean it can't get worse. your point to curbing power is not an ideal most people share. If you're operating in today's world, instead of a world where libertarianism is implemented, than it's not possible because immigrants will just vote to oppress you more.

>but the egg came before the chicken!!!!
at the end of the day people voted for it. If you assume people are base retards who have no ability to affect policy at the mercy of corporations, then what system could you transition to that would be immune from such a thing. Looking forward to your blatant projection on this

>The only way to end this corruption is to create a society that values higher concepts than economic output and material existence.
hence why libertarians advocate a return to civic culture and getting people to inform themselves , and removing the ability of the government to act upon these corruptions

Your little thesis also ignores how we got here. It started with progressives making irrational, emotional arguments for regulations and progressed from there.

>Social/cultural conscience

What is this? How are you not as bad as the left telling me I need to give ground to others, and pay for their standard of living?

What happens when the government changes hands, a government that has become more authoritarian?

If you ask me, the right is only slightly better than the left, and that's because they have principles that rarely waiver.

In my view, you should have personal responsibility as an utmost priority and if you want to

>save muh race
>muh culture
>muh nationa ;_;7

You should instead have a strong family, present good values, and engage in logical sustainable business.

A little bit.

Eh, the argument here is whether or not I would vote authoritarian to protect myself from more potential tyranny.

I'll give to that, I'll probably vote Trump over Hillary because Hillary terrifies me deeply.

>the problem with your attitude that you'll just not do business with them assumes that they won't affect you in another way. Assuming you aren't actually forced to do business with them, as you are legally compelled to now, they'll still vote and affect you at the state and federal level, if not even at your ideal local level. South american immigrants tend to vote for welfare, and don't fully integrate into our culture for at least 40 years, if ever.

That is the whole goal, minimal social programs available, minimal forced interaction. If immigrants cannot find employment, or subsidization, they will starve or leave.

LELELELE

lolbertarianism is such a joke.

Whelp I'm definitely not voting for him in the future if that's his attitude. I'm a libertarian, but if we're going to have a federal government and taxes then borders are absolutely necessary.

Libertarians are too principled, its one thing if they support open borders in theory, but given that they are a third party today they should have some plan to gain power nationally. It just so happens that 95% of people that vote Libertarian are white so if they were somehow able to get in a position of power and legislate this it would just undermine their future as a party. Libertarians need to understand that only white people want that style government and act pragmatically.

Vote McAfee if you're registered. Gary Johnson really isn't a very charismatic or convincing person, either.

it is really the only party based on principles though, which may give moral justification for certain actions they might condone in the future.

I'm voting Trump this year, allowing Clinton to win is not an option.

>youtube.com/watch?v=jcUZrDX5P7A

Yeah, he is unfortunately not very good at debates or stage presence. Kinda has an odd non-committal "im not sure if i really believe this lol" thing going.

Fuck, I'd love to see McAfee eviscerate Trump and Hillary on the national debate stage.

agreed, neither would stand a chance

>As governor of N.M. he had the lowest rate of illegal immigration.
>doesnt catch any immigrants
>see guys!! almost no illegals coming in through here

It's the idealistic liberal in him.

Dat boi can't help it.

>Vote McAfee, protect from viruses.

>So, why not just refuse to hire Mexicans, rent to Mexicans, or service Mexicans until they leave?
>
>If the government isn't preventing you from doing so, you are fully in your rights to do so.

>What happens when the government changes hands, a government that has become more authoritarian?

I'm with french user, Libertarians need to be purged.

>libertarians actually believe that BILLION MUSLIMS should be free to just move to your country overnight

Should've had McAfee as their candidate

This is why I am a nationalist-libertarian and voting for Trump. Such an ardent position would only work with neighbors equally as libertarian.

this is why I won't vote for him.

I agree with everything he says except for immigration, military, and abortion. the other things i can get over, but not this.

>>if they haven't broken any laws
>They broke federal law the moment they crossed the border.

BTFO, the post.

That ends THAT argument.

Dat new mexico cuck contamination in their water.

>I'm with french user, Libertarians need to be purged.

Yeah... so what happens when the election swings to the left in 2020?

Do you really want all those authoritarian policies in place?

I'm convinced. I'm not a #Cruzmissile

>Such an ardent position would only work with neighbors equally as libertarian.
This. You would also need to get rid of welfare and gibsmedat programs for open borders to even work.