Is Aaron Rodgers the only MVP candidate and further very good or elite QB in general who is not some kind of babby?

Is Aaron Rodgers the only MVP candidate and further very good or elite QB in general who is not some kind of babby?

Tom Brady:
>system babby
Le 11-5 with Matt Cassel, 3-1 with Jimmy Garoppolo, lose Revis and Gronk and do better without them meme team. Brady is all-time great but he clearly benefits from the system. You put Brady on any other team and he's got 1 or 2 rings, not 4.

Matt Ryan:
>dome babby
Obviously getting *at least* 9 games a year in a dome inflates stats (in addition to the 8 home, he gets 1 at the Superdome a year).
>offensive weapons/Julio Jones babby
The Falcons are ridiculously loaded and may be top to bottom of the most talented team in the league pound for pound.

Aaron Rodgers:
System babby?
>kek Egg Head and Dom Capers
>implying
Dome babby?
>2 guaranteed dome games a year
>Weapons/RB babby?
Best receiver is literally a fucking white male. Absolutely 0 secondary. Absolutely 0 running backs.

Belichick didn't do shit with the Browns or with Drew Bledsoe. Brady has played jokes his entire career, only good offensive weapons he had was gronkowski and moss. Look what happened when they were healthy, Brady set records. Patriots success is because Brady is the one major constant, it's 80% Brady 20% belichick. I also like how these "system babby" "arguments" never involve Montana, even though he played with the GOAT offensive mind, GOAT WR, and not to mention the fact that Steve young had tremendous success after him

>11-5 with Matt Cassel
>3-1 with Jimmy G

>not mentioning Welker, a 5x time Pro Bowler and 2x first team All-Pro among Brady's prominent weapons.

Name one other QB that has thrown a touchdown pass to 65 different receivers
He runs the system

11-5 with matt cassell after 16-0 with Brady. Matt Cassell had 21 TD to 11 int when Brady had 50 TD to 8int. Cassell's passer rating was 30 worse than Brady's (87 to 117).

Brady had one of the best years ever as a QB in 2007, while Cassell had a very middling year in 2008 and went on to have a better year on Chiefs a couple of years later.

It's a lazy argument to say "hurr durr Matt Cassell". If you could get a QB that gets you a third more wins, a superbowl appearance as opposed to not being in the playoffs, double the TDs and a passer rating that's 30 points higher, would you go "lol that nigga aint shit".

Furthermore, Welker's all-pros and pro bowls were all received in New England. He wasn't much before the Pats, and he only had one good year with Peyton in Denver.

Yeah that playoff run with Matt cassel was amazing...oh wait
>garropolo
You're really picking that small of a sample size. He wouldn't have been able to match Brady's production, you really garropolo would lead the pats to a 14-2 record if he played the entire season, you really want garropolo over Brady against the steelers?
>Wes welker
most of his success is due to Brady

Look Rodgers is great but people forget he choked every year after the super bowl. People seriously underrate the talent he plays with
>consistently strong offensive line
>great offensive mind in maccarthy
>top 3 receiving Corp
>solid running game
>shit division

Matt Cassell had a better season with the Chiefs. Fuck off with this retarded ass casual argument. 2 nukes weren't enough.

>Yeah that playoff run with Matt cassel was amazing...oh wait

This is a non-point. 11-5 gets you into the playoffs 99.5% of the time. Just a dopey fluke they didn't make the playoffs with that record.

>Furthermore, Welker's all-pros and pro bowls were all received in New England. He wasn't much before the Pats, and he only had one good year with Peyton in Denver.

This supports my system argument. Clearly Brady helped him because he's a good QB, but the system is the aegis of everything.

One key thing you have to remember, because many people pull the "Hoodie didn't do anything with Cleveland" argument.

In Cleveland, he was not the team's GM. With the Patriots he is the de-facto GM giving him control over personnel, not just trying to coach what he's given.

>Packers
>solid running game
>ever except one year with Lacy in the Rodgers era

Are you fucking kidding m8.

>shit division

The NFC North is actually consistently one of the better divisions.

Since 2008, since Rodgers became the starter the Vikings have made the playoffs 4 times, the Bears 1 time (they played the Packers in the NFCCG) and the Lions 4 times

By contrast in the AFC East in that same time frame, the Dolphins have made the playoffs 2 times, the Jets 2 times, and the Bills ZERO.

That's 9 playoffs appearances for other North teams to 4 for other AFC South teams.

In addition to being a system babby Brady is also undeniably the biggest Division Babby in the NFL.

>Le 6 free wins a year meme team

Rodgers literally makes a living off his O-line holding people while he escapes the pocket. Not even memeing. Watch Rodgers escape the pocket this Sunday and you'll see somebody in a chokehold. That might be a better crutch than any other QB in the league has

Brady beats the d pre snap.


Rodgers doesn't have the discipline or fundamentals to do basic timing routes or anticipate where his receivers will go, because he lacks vision. He literally justs runs around until someone gets open...

>Being mobile in the pocket is a bad thing

Gaytriots bandwagoners really believe this

It's all he does.

>Japan
>thinking they know anything about football

O I am laffin!

Looks like it's sudoku for you, Hideki!

>haha lol let's get our star QB injured for the season just to stop a Pick 6
angry Andy Dalton detected

THIS

>Brady
>Reads defense pre-snap and makes historically accurate throws knowing where his receivers will be. Gets the ball out faster than any other QB in history.
>Rodgers
>Runs around like an idiot playing school yard football just waiting for his receivers to make a play and get open.
>Consistently throws his o-line, coaches, receivers under the bus when it doesn't work

There is a reason all of Brady's former teammates speak so highly of him and 50% of the guys Rodgers has played with are bitter.

Gee, who should be MVP?

Matt Ryan
>historic yards per attempt leading the best offense in football
>Throws to 100 different receivers over the course of the season.

Brady
>sets all time record for TD to INT ratio
>leads team to best record in NFL
>makes 6th straight Championship game, setting another record

Brett Favre
>won six games in a row against shit teams
>keeps the gay thoughts away long enough to allow his FG kicked to get two 50+ yard field goals and beat an overachieving team of rookies

This is good analysis. Sure, Belicheck is the best coach in the NFL, but Brady has absolutely made the most of his opportunity.

>offensive weapons/Julio Jones baby

I'm sure you had a Taylor Gabriel jersey before this season started. Ryan's receivers are a guy who got cut from the fucking Browns, a guy who was literally homeless last year, an old ass white tight end, and Julio, and Julio is constantly gimped, he literally breaks his foot every fucking play.
You only think they're loaded b/c Ryan is slingin it like an animal.

OHHH CHING CHANG ME EAT DA EGG ROORR AND DOGS. ME DON'T KNOW ANYTHINK ABOUT THE FOOTBARR. NI PI SHEM I JERK OFF ONRY TO RITTER ANIMU GURS

>he doesnt realize that Bill Parcells built the current Patriots system and Belichick lucked into it

Belicheat is a system babby too

>brady plays in a soft as fuck division and has 6 guaranteed wins a season and has always had a solid defense and reciever core

Hmmmm really activates the old almonds

when was the last time brady went 6-0 in the division?

like 4 years ago?

>receiver core
His receivers change every year, he's only had two HOF pass catchers. Everyone else was average and he elevated their game

Friendly reminder that Matt Cassel performed better in Kansas City than he did in New England.

Friendly reminder that Cassel took the 2-14 Chiefs to 10-6 in two seasons, made the pro bowl, before getting annihilated by injuries thanks to the Chiefs awful offensive line.

Remember earlier this year when the Patriots didn't have Brady, and got shut out at home against the Buffalo Bills?

Matt Flynn had 6 TDs, 480 yards in 1 game filling in for Aaron Rodgers.

Jimmy Garappolo had 5 TDs, 502 yards in 2.5 games filling in for Tom Brady.

Really makes you think.

Rodgers for the last 6 weeks has been the greatest player the NFL has seen. You're right.

>all these kiddies believing that Belichick is some kind of offensive savant.

Rodgers is the GOAT, what do you expect? When he's holding the clipboard on the sideline giving your backup QB the hot tips, it makes even shitty backups look like the GOAT themselves.

Which QB would you have preferred last decade?

QB A:
309 TD’s
283.8 YPG
1.4 INT%


QB B:
297 TD’s
259.3 YPG
1.5 INT%

The one that gets the team to the Super Bowl.

The one that could win multiple Super Bowls before league rules changed to make passing stats trivial.

Well you're lucky. Because with QB A not only do you get the numbers but he is also soon to be five time SuperBowl Champion Thomas "Tom" Brady!

>le cherry pick his good years

Nope.

Matt Ryan is the only one who deserves mvp

Rodgers sucked for 10 games and Brady only played 12 games.

fuck though seriously dak arguably has a better case than rodgers.

Carr should be MVP

>Falcons entering this season
Shit team no weapons outside of Julio fucking garbage 6-10 tops
>Matt Ryan plays well
Well of course, anyone would put up the best numbers in the league with all those weapons

Are you including the Bengals failed number 3 receiver? Also the old ass white TE has been on IR for 10 weeks.

Rodgers is a gay baby. He's got friends in the export business who sell him sperm en route to Europe.

>Being cut from the browns =\= being a bad player
The browns are a floundering organization that can't get anything right so it makes 100% sense they would cut a good player

is joe montana a system babby? jim kelly? dan marino? why not judge players by what actually happened rather than speculating on what would've happened given some arbitrary different shit happening like Brady not playing for Belichick. (not a patsfag so don't even)

I expect his backup not to eclipse his TD's in a game in his first start? Cuck?

Rodgers would probably have similar stats to Brady's earlier years if he played in the pre2006 era, where defensive backs could actually defend. There's a reason there's been eight 5000 yard passing seasons in the last decade, and one in the entire history of the league prior to that.

>Getting BTFOd this hard by a nip
Your life must suck man

>won six games in a row against shit teams
>shit teams

well meme'd friend!

>dak
he's not even the most valuable player on his team

>nfc north
>not a shit division
>implying just because one of the other shit teams makes the playoffs instead of the Packers that means they're good. Now post the win loss ratio for the division

>What is a wild card

>nfc north team makes the wild card every year
Ebin

>7-9 eagles
>9-7 texans
>10-5-1 seahawks in the NFLs weakest division
>3-13 bears
>8-8 vikings
>9-7 lions

Well meme'd indeed! Truly a gauntlet of formidable opponents!

Are you implying Brady has actually had a bad year? Keep in mind his "bad" years were before the pass babby era which Rodgers has only played in.

>using le even ironically
Fucking faggot. Also
>he doesnt understand that before 2006 things were different

PLAYOFF TEAMS PACKERS PLAYED
>Cowboys x2
>giants x2
>lions x2
>falcons
>Seahawks
>Texans

DECENT TEAMS PACKERS PLAYED
>Vikings x2
>Titans
>redskins

>the Packers played 11 games with opponents above .500
>13 if you count opponents at or above .500

>not knowing who Ahman Green is

Nips please.

Rodgers is a cold weather babby
>play half of his home games in freezing weather against opponents who aren't as used to it

>put Brady on any other team and he has 1 or 2 rings.

So the same or more than Rodgers currently? Brady is GOAT confirmed

>cold weather babby
>saying that like it's a bad thing

Being a team that's used to playing in the cold only means that they play even better in a dome.

Rodgers fags just look at the stat book from back then and think he was bad.

>Brady
>2002: 6th in yards, 1st in touchdowns
>2003: 6th in yards, 10th in touchdowns
>2004: 10th in yards, 6th in touchdowns
>2005: 1st in yards, 3rd in touchdowns
>2006: 7th in yards, 4th in touchdowns

And Brady never had a great reciever. This is where his best receiver ranked among lead leaders:
>2002: 29th in yards (Troy Brown), T13th in TDs (Christian Fauria)
>2003: 32nd in yards (Deion Branch), T26th in TDs (David Givens)
>2004: 32nd in yards (David Givens), T21st in TDs (David Patten)
>2005: 21st in yards (Deion Branch), T35th in TDs (Deion Branch)
>2006: 39th in yards (Reche Caldwell), T45th in TDs (Reche Caldwell)

Nobody was done more with less than Brady, I mean look at the literally who's he threw to his first 6 years. Compare that to Rodgers who had Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, and Jordy Nelson from the moment he entered the league. Brady is the god damn GOAT.

Cold weather is going to affect anyone. Playing in a dome like Ryan does atleast 9 times a year on the other hand is a benefit, he's a dome baby.

But Ahman Green was washed up and serviceable at best when he played with Rodgers

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I know that but he said ever. Ahman Green in his early days was a fucking beast. If only Mike Sherman wasn't a complete retard and the Packers didn't have an Oline made up of Mark Tauscher and a bunch of literal whos the Packers probably could have won another owl.

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Rodgers stats are better then bradys from 2009 to now, Rodgers has 2 mvps to bradys 1 since 2009, they both have one super bowl win since 2009.

How these threads go:

>Rodgers is better than Brady!
>No hes not, Brady is the better winner and leader which is what QB is all about
>LOL wins, look at Godgers stats, that means hes better even tho he hasnt won as much!
>Show Brady has actually better stats too
>LOL system baby, le moss le gronk
>Show GB has actually had a better receiving core overall and that Brady has done more with less
>LOL YA BUT HE HAD BELICHICK, therefore he sucks because you can only be considered good if everyone else around you sucks

LGTSS:
>Rodgersfags denial & warped logic

Since 2009:

>Brady: 259 TDs, 283.3 YPG, 1.4 INT%
>Rodgers: 268 TDs, 270.5 YPG, 1.4 INT%

Seems pretty even to me. And ill give the edge to Brady because its his age 32-39 seasons and its Rodgers' age 26-33 seasons.

>y-you can't use those stats!

He had 500 yards between 08-09 and barely played. What the fuck are you talking about

>Packers having a RB
>ever

Ever is the keyword.

You are retarded. Stop posting.

good retort

>in the Rodgers era

I'm no English savant, but it seems to me that this is the distinction that you'd count as most important, especially when the topic is originally Aaron Rodgers.

>le cherry pick his years
>you can't use those stats
That's the argument that you're making you fucking tard

So rather than assuming what Rodgers would've done, we look what they've actually done here while both in the league?

Brady still better.

>getting THIS rekt by Japan

That's actually pretty tough for football, especially considering had they not won these teams would be 8-8, 10-6, 11-4-1, 4-12, 9-7 and 10-6.Aside from the bears and maybe the iggles the schedule was pretty tough.

>nfc north is a good division
>posts playoff appearances to back this
Ebin, truly ebin. Not that guy, but you can look up the nfc north, they're the 3rd worst division in the last decade in terms of wins to losses only ahead the AFC South and NFC south, and that's fucking embarrassing

>a guy who was literally homeless last year
who?