What is so wrong with required voter identification?

What is so wrong with required voter identification?

Fuck me, what's the alternative?
>"Hey, i'm (name). Just let me vote!"

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As long as we have background checks to exercise 2A rights, we should have voter ID laws. I'll give up on voter ID the very instant that a democrat proposes the abolition of background checks.

Because we can't expect people to be part of society anymore. Asking the literal bare minimum of someone is way too much to ask.

>What is so wrong with required voter identification?

It's an infringement on my right to vote.

When I go to vote, they ask my name, I sign my name, and I vote. NOT THAT FUCKING HARD

Voting should not be made harder. We already have Jim Crow poll taxes as examples of why we shouldn't have voter suppression laws.

>We already have Jim Crow poll taxes

You blew it here, but you had me for a moment.

Because then illegals can't vote for Democrats.

because there are no cases of this happening.
no one would be stupid enough to risk voter fraud with the laws in place to cast one extra vote that does not matter.

When I go to buy a gun, they ask for my ID and a bunch of other information.

Why do they get to infringe my right to keep and bear arms?

>When I go to buy a gun, they ask for my ID and a bunch of other information.

A gun isn't the same as voting. There isn't centuries of government sanctioned suppression based off of race, sex, class, etc. in order to buy a gun. This is like comparing apples to oranges.

because unlike guns voting can not get people killed.

Literally nothing.

Liberals need illegal immigrant votes to win. They also need votes from the dregs of society to win. That's the only reason people oppose it.

Even yuropoors require them from what I understand.

>There isn't centuries of government sanctioned suppression relating to firearms

FUCKING KEK

>There isn't centuries of government sanctioned suppression based off of race, sex, class, etc. in order to buy a gun.
>voting can not get people killed.

I'm being megabaited and I love it.

Guns don't kill people m8.

> bad things used to happen so we shouldn't have laws

What a shitpost.

>these people who live and contribute to this country dont get to vote
>because reasons.

Because then Dems wouldn't be able to get millions of illegal votes.

It should just be in your Driver's License or Non-Driver's License, as a little chip like they're putting in debit cards now.

>walk up to voter machine
>stick card in
>enter pin
>scan thumbprint
>vote
>print "I Voted" sticker and take card

It could be that easy.

Buying guns could also be in the same way as
Go up to Gun Vending Machine, put Driver's License in slot, give pin and thumbprint, swipe card, get gun.

Voting is a responsibility.

It should require a ID.

Liberals are against proper IDs because they abuse the system with fraudulent votes.

There is no logical reason to not verify ID before allowing legal voters to vote.

Truthfully, I don't think there should be voter ID, but I also don't think I should need to show my ID to buy a gun. It's a right, not a privilege.

liberals get triggered by wallets and pockets

Are you serious... Voter fraud has only been growing. Do some research and know what your talking about next time.

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heres an easy way, tax forms. No tax form no vote. This removes the entire scummy voter pool

they can get people killed by being used in such a manner by a person who is upset and drunk because his football team won/lost

>go in cast fake vote
>nothing changes it is one extra vote
>outside of a small town it is a non issue

>go in buy gun without showing you are responsible enough to own a firearm
>in a fit of rage you shoot someone
>you kid gets a hold of it and shoots you/it self.
>people die

Because kikes can't steal elections with their invading, non-citizen nigger welfare hoards.

>one extra vote man, it doesn't matter. literally no consequences
>being this unable to see the big picture

>Fuck me, what's the alternative?
We've only had photo id cards for about half a century. How were things handled before then? Pretty sure voting existed before the mid twentieth century.

What?
You don't need id to vote? How retarded is that

Pretty sure we also didn't have tens of millions of non-citizens trying to vote back then, either.

>go in and exploit the very foundation of a democratic republic
>non issue

>it is gonna happen on a wide scale! i swear to fuckin god man!! the fuckin reptailes !

America needs the Bull Moose Party back.
not this faggot uppity rich pampered city bitch we have now in politics.

That's the point of this thread.

The Left wants more and more government control, unless it somehow weakens their position.

I find it bizarre I could literally fly to America, call myself Joe Smith and vote for Trump.

How the hell do you not require citizenship to vote?

Yeah, since this candidate is directly threatening to send them back to whatever rotten shit hole country the ran away from to come here. Of course they're going to vote against him. Fixing their home country would be too difficult, so it's easier just to come here and siphon money back home. You don't really know shit, do you? Probably still in high school and fell for the "being a liberal is the only correct way to think" brainwashing.

No I mean, how could it be that you don't have to show your id to vote? Is it like that since the start of your nation or what?

As long as you know of someone in a particular district who is registered to vote, you could turn up in their municipality and vote as them.

Dead people vote every year in the US due to this nonsense.

It was less of a deal in the beginning given that only male landowners could vote, and everyone knew everyone in rural America. It's a relic of a more intimate, agricultural society. In order to change this, you have to enact legislation that requires it, which is notoriously hard.

This is a relatively recent issue, seeing as every dumbass over the 18 is allowed to do it.

>how could it be that you don't have to show your id to vote?
After 1965, any effort to have an accurate vote, regardless of how minimal any hoop to jump through would be, is considered "RACIST!!!" and "VOTER SUPPRESSION!!!", even though poor as fuck people in India vote by the hundreds of millions with voter ID.

Maybe Trump can change this after he's in office or is it out of the president's reach?

So it's like with your unit system? You couldn't keep up with civilization because of how big your nation is, and now you are stuck with something old and everyone is used to it

Your right,
It's more important than voting.

It'll be hard to change at a federal level, but relatively easy at the local level IF you're prepared to deal with a smear job in the media.

>>go in cast fake vote
>>nothing changes it is one extra vote

There have been 0-margin votes in US history. Don't you ever forget that.

It requires law changes (legislature, not executive), unless these some kind of way to change how existing laws are enforced/executed.

A lot of the controversy surrounding voter ID right now is at the state government level though, not the federal government level. It's also more prevalent in swing states (no shocker).

Keep telling yourself that. Voting for Hillary will kill people.

You know Teddy Roosevelt was a gun enthusiast, right? You may want to disavow him now.

>Dead people vote every year in the US due to this nonsense.

Dead people predominantly vote democrat, even after being lifelong Republicans. It's very odd.

The difference being that other countries can just deal with the Imperial measurements if they want to trade with our huge market. Most of us just don't care that other countries dislike our units. They will change to accommodate us.

The potential weakness in exploiting votes can be exploited to harm the republic, making that an actual problem.

>I sign my name
So you've never actually voted...

Yeah, I noticed that. I don't recall ever having to sign my name and I've voted in multiple presidential elections and primaries.

Take note, that guy is probably a disgruntled Sandernista.

Confirmed for never have voted before

>believes in gun control
>has picture of Teddy Roosevelt
My Sides are in orbit.

Nothing is wrong with it. It's standard in a lot of countries that are infinitely more leftist than yours

things like organization, efficiency, and planning are RAYCIS and need to be dismantled, obviously

not an infringement. An infringement would be having to register to vote which you have to do anyway. They should just send you an ID when you register.

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Because blacks are too lazy to go get IDs and Democrats need them to win elections

Because illegals. This wouldn't be a problem in a white society.

....exept for the NFA which didnt make scurry weapons illegal, just really expensive so poor minorities (esp immigrants), poor women (who didnt work) or poor poor people couldnt get them

Or the hughes amendment which again didnt make machine guns illegal, just lowered the supply again making them more expensive.

Shouldn't need an ID to buy a gun. Two wrongs don't make a right.

I like the idea of every citizen getting automatically registered to vote when they turn 18 and sent a ID card. The problem with the current ID laws is that they exploit the disparities between people who have "proper" ID and those who don't. If everyone were already registered and sent the card, it would be their own responsibility to have the card. As it stands, it can be difficult for a surprising number of people to get "proper" ID.

The only problem left that I could see with the system I described would be that homeless people or people recovering from other extreme circumstances might be denied the vote because they have no ID card.

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>$340 dollar recurring pistol permit fee not a burden
>"no evidence the fee has stopped anyone from exercising their rights."

>a ten dollar fee for voter id is though
The system is truly amazing isn't it?

You're pointing out how hypocritical most centrists/mainstream folk are. On the center-right, people make arguments to deny people the vote but don't accept the same arguments to deny people guns. On the center-left, it's the opposite. If you hate that poor people are denied the vote, you should also hate that they're denied firearms. Likewise, if you love oppressing poor people, stop pretending that you love the second amendment as opposed to loving arming the rich at the expense of the poor.

IDs ARE JUST A PIECE OF PAPER
Your little card can get lost or destroyed any time.
And then to get a new one issued you need more PIECES OF PAPER.

I too am a hard working American citizen
Say fellow American, what was the code to the nukes again? I forgot, silly me!

this

What's your point?

MONEY IS JUST PIECES OF METAL, CLOTH/PAPER, OR ELECTRONICALLY REPRESENTED NUMBERS
You little pieces of stuff or numbers can get lost or destroyed any time.
And then to get new money you need more PIECES OF METAL, CLOTH/PAPER, OR NUMBERS.

>no id required to vote
Does this mean i could get a plane ticket and vote for trump? Doesnt this also mean that one person can vote many times?

>What is so wrong with required voter identification?

It makes it slightly harder for liberals to rig elections.

How is expecting poor people to have ID oppressing them?

Have to be registered to vote first. You do not have to be a citizen to register to vote, however, thanks to Bill Clinton.

That's, roughly, one of the arguments in favor of voter ID. Arguments against usually point out how the laws deny a lot of people the ability to vote.

It isn't if the ID is mailed to them free of charge and there are places where they can be acquired free of charge for people who have no mailing address. That's not what most voter ID laws do though, to my knowledge. Most of the laws require specific forms of ID that aren't held by a lot of people and are difficult to acquire, especially in a timely manner, for many people.

They allow felons to vote in my state now.

What's the fucking point if some scum that sacrificed his rights by committing a wanton criminal act against society, is still allowed to vote next to me. It's absolute horse shit

>What is so wrong with required voter identification?
It's not needed, and it's another way to disenfranchise voters from voting. Acceptable IDs aren't free and can be hard to obtain , which fucks over poor and minority voters. It's not needed because there's less than 1% voter fraud, because no one fucking votes in this country.

>What is so wrong with required voter identification?
Because they don't give you a photo ID when you register to vote, just a paper slip that you could fake anyway.

Why should felons not be able to vote? Especially when a lot of felonies are bull shit. Should an 18 year old who became a felon in Kansas for having a hitsworth of weed be denied his rights for the rest of his life?

Same could be said for backround checks for guns.

do you even know what a felony is?

>be russian
>literally 3rd world country
>everybody has a passport that can be used as an ID in 100% cases

Really, why not have passports?

Wait, you don't need IDs to vote in USA???

Yes, do you?

Why should illegal, non tax paying immigrants be able to effect what my taxes are used for?

A ID should be required to vote it just makes sense.

The reason it's such a problem is because even a state ID costs money and by that note you are in essence paying to exercise one if the most basic of rights.

If states would provide state IDs free of charge then this wouldn't be an issue because at Tha point you literally have no excuse

I got my ID for free or for a very little symbolic sum

Literally nothing. Complete poor shitholes like India require ID. Plenty of liberal democracies do. Mexico does.

But we have niggers. A lot of incredibly stupid, unbelievably lazy niggers. And the Democrats can't win certain districts without them. Despite cries that there's "no problem" as is, the real problem is that these people don't even care to report it if someone commits voter fraud on their behalf. Couple that with the fact that people unwilling to undergo this slight inconvenience aren't going to educate themselves about their options either.

things were so much easier before niggers population spiraled out of control

>pretending to be a retard on the internet
>pretending to be a nigger on the internet
>pretending to be a liberal on the internet

For what purpose?

>this is actually a controversial issue in 'merica

Illegals can't vote left if it's required.

The funny thing is, if you suggest it occurs in leftists' socialist Scandinavian utopias, they say it's "not the same" because those places didn't have large-scale systems of discrimination in place, while at the same time decrying the idea that our economy is sufficiently different.

>illegal immigrants not paying taxes and using social services
>sending the money they make back to the 3rd world
>increasing insurance premiums

you arent going to get any shekels with shilling this weak goyim

>Even yuropoors require them from what I understand.

Pretty much - I have to prove my address and I do that with my driving licence. I think that counts as proof of ID as well.

>equating voter ID to Jim Crow Laws

For the most part you simply go down to your local courthouse, go to the county clerks office, do a quick form (should take less than 5 minutes if you are a responsible adult that should have the proper memorization of your personal shit), and get it in the mail in about a week.

What fucking world do you live in where that is in any shape, fashion, or form the same as Jim Crow Laws? Fucking niggers I swear.

>Even yuropoors require them from what I understand.
aren't you literally the only "democratic" country that doesn't

WA voter here, just mailed in my ballot for Trump.

>Theoretically

The poor are kept from voting

>De facto

Illegals don't get to vote

Yep.
Here there are required personal ID card and another one called "electoral card" (rough translation) that is required to vote.

If voting is a serious and powerful matter, the very base of a Democracy, it's only a good and right thing to control and regulate this ability, so it's legitimate.

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