Satan tries to educate humans with the fruit of knowledge

>satan tries to educate humans with the fruit of knowledge
>god completely fucks their shit up for the rest of eternity for daring to educate themselves
>somehow satan is the badguy

Someone explain this meme to me.

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It's been forgiven

>It's been forgiven
>physical punishments laid on humanity still intact

God was a jelous and vengeful God back then, but since Jesus died for us, He has forgiven us.

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it won't end but it should end right here

>trusting the entirely Jewish part of the Bible

nice try

i think its god saying, dont do as i say and you get punished

Do you really not see anything wrong here?

God is true peace, and canon scripture for having a good life. False teachings and miseducation can lead to evil, missapropriation and degeneracy.

>basically everything wrong with modern society is deception by evil forces designed to make you betray your creator because of what you think you know.

>think for yohrself before you get raped in hell over an open fire pit.

the god of the old testament is really just le demiurge. the true God only appears come new testament.

The serpent was not Satan.

In the scripture it says God blinded Adam and Eve
"Blinded" as in blinded from the truth or "bluepilled" as we would say
The truth is that God exists
It's been forgiven

It's a myth, it's not supposed to be taken as a literal account of some past events.

FUCK YOU EVE!
I would've been in heaven right now and not suffering here on earth
Roasties have been ruining shit for us since the beginning of time

Not so
Garden of Eden =/= Heaven

here it is.

Then what is the significance of being punished for getting educated? Why is god the one promoting ignorance and satan promoting knowledge?

>God is an asshole
>kill God's son
>now he's all about forgiveness
I think the bully is scared.

>cast to the Earth

Thanks God.

God never changes

Numbers 23:19

God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?

Hebrews 13:8

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

James 1:17

Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.

because God has magic powers.

It wasn't promoting knowledge, it was leading them to commit sin
The Lord said you can eat from any tree other than the tree of knowledge and power
Adam bit from the true despite God's word
He went directly against the word of God, he sinned

how the fuck does that work? he is an asshole and then forgives us? wat...

Well, consider this interpretation i just made up.

- God is omniscient, so he knows perfectly what's best for us.
- Before the Fall, human will was naturally aligned with God's will, so we would effortlessly choose what's best for us
- The serpent (it doesn't say anywhere it was Satan btw) taught us how to make other choices, all of them being objectively worse for us, since they deviate from the perfect path God would have us follow.
- The "punishment" isn't actually a punishment from God, it's just a consequence of being able to make bad choices.

Again, Why was he telling them not to educate themselves in the first place? You don't think that's a little bit suspicious?

Genesis 3:5

"For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

>you will be like God

You have completely misunderstood the entire shebang. Religion isn't meant to make sense, it's just meant to con the stupid.

What emotion do you inspire within immortals when man kills a god? Fear.

Truth.

Satan is literatelly a liar full of his own ego.

> God would never betray his children.

So what, he's insecure and doesn't want anyone else to have it as easy as him or something?

Because its better to reign in hell than serve gods will.

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Nice image. You kind of forgot the 13 colonies.

Pretty big part of the British empire and large part of world history.

You arn't the only that thought this.

There were a lot of "hertical" groups that thought the snake was the good guy.

Just imagine you are Greek Gnostic, you never heard of the Jewish religion before. All your life you have been told there are two types of divine beings. The "good" deities that bring knowledge and the "evil" deities that are trying to keep your ignorant and distracted or harming you by material things. You also beleive that if you get enough of the right knowledge you get closer to the divine.

Than you read Genesis and get to this part.
>God creates all harmful material things (disease, starvation, pain)
>The snake is a knowledge giver opposed to God who wants to hide knowledge
>Snake tells humans knowledge will make them divine
>God is "jealous" of humans becoming divine. Exactly like the demiurge you were warned about!

>educate humans
More like tempt them, thanks to lucifer/satan asshole we are mortal beings. What a faggot.

It's an autism test to see if you understand allegories. You failed, which is why you are here tipping your fedora.

>Exactly like the demiurge you were warned about!
Platonic Demiurge wasn't evil though.

It was knowledge of good and evil, the evil part meaning sin.

>thanks to lucifer/satan asshole we are mortal beings. What a faggot.
Maybe it wasn't such a good idea to create him after all. If only God could have known in advance...

no.

John 3:36

Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on them.

satan in greek means adversary

satan hates god so much he wants to see god's creation fall aka mankind because hes pridefully.

>satan hates god so much he wants to see god's creation fall aka mankind because hes pridefully.
Than why has god allowed man to fall if he is against satan but loves man so much

Isaiah 14:13-15

satan

You said in your heart,
“I will ascend to the heavens;
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God;
I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon.

I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.”

But you are brought down to the realm of the dead,
to the depths of the pit.

YFW this is test.

Evil is disguised as good, and vice versa.
Notice how violent children shows are or how the children sitcoms subliminally refer to premarital sex/ degeneracy.

Jewish elites are tightening the noose, Notice LGBT making a stand with the left wingers all of a sudden? That shit is Evil as fuck because it represents the Sodomites that god banished and destroyed in babylon/ old america.

Keep fucking around with the fuckaround and ya'll are all gonna get destroyed.

Well, you tell your kids not to do something and they do it, you gotta spank them fuckers. And the bastard who turned them on to that shit? Fucking throw him out forever. After they've been good again, you give them ice cream and say stay good and we're cool.

God is the dad, people are the kids, the serpent was the bastard and Jesus was the ice cream

Guys I'm just saying, it kind of looks like Satan is the good guy who was trying to liberate us from god's dystopian empire.

>hurr but satans a liar!!1!

Why the fuck would you believe the guy that didn't want you to know shit in the first place? It's clearly damage control.

I wouldn't tell my kids not to study.

>The "good" deities that bring knowledge and the "evil" deities that are trying to keep your ignorant and distracted or harming you by material things.
What is Prometheus?

Why do people bind god to us, you act like its some human entity that thinks and acts, no, idc if you believe in god but at least believe in a slightly believable god, its not a being, its a force of creation, NOT A GODDAMN PERSON YOU KEKS

Go ahead and just become a Luciferian.

the value of the knowledge gained is not always worth the cost OP. In that case, the cost was far greater than the value of that knowledge.

>good and evil

There is no such thing, everything is grey.

There is a gnostic belief that Satan created the earth and life, but god created souls and the universe. Kind of explains the brutal nature of the wild and all the shifty parts of life, being created by an imperfect demiurge rather than a pure god.

Anyone who believes the good-evil thing is truly autistic

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The key to this is the Hebrew language.

Da'ath means knowledge (as in knowledge of Good and Evil) but the more proper and accurate translation is experience. To say you know someone is to say you slept with them. Etc.

Here is the thing, the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil is a bad translation for Etz ha-Da'at Tawv veh-Ra.

"Ra" is the word translated as evil. It is not Evil, specifically as Tawv is not Good; as understood in the modern or common sense. it is a politcial word - meaning power without compassion, such as the authority of a leader who is not catering to your own needs. If your boss won't let you go home because an important project is due, that is "Ra." This harshness is the root of the name, as it shows the industrious nature of the worshippers of Ra - who represent Severity. Severity is not inherently evil, but unbalanced power is its manifestation. Tawv is therefore "Mercy." This shows the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is the Divisions of the Right and Left hand paths in terms of Mercy and Severity.

The words "'aven" and "yara" mean evil in the strictest sense - 'aven means idol vanity. yara means to ALLOW severity to bring forth misery for no reason. Good is kishrown (of a pleasing nature to renew) or "yatawv" (to reward effort or dilligence with mercy).

This is why I generally advise people to study the Biblical languages if they hope to make sense of it.

As for Tawv, it is effectively of the meaning of unbalanced mercy/good pleasures in life.

In the eating of the fruit Adam and Eve lost equilibrium and balance in existence and life, by eating the fruit did they gain the experience of extreme severity and did they gain the experience of extreme inequality and decadence.

Satan gave them nothing, Adam and Eve are responsible for all suffering and all degeneracy.

By the way, they didn't eat an Apple. That's another translation error caused by translating translations of other translations.

I'm pretty sure that's explicitely heresy.

God knew that the man would commit the sin, it is why we were given free will

Yeah if your a Gnostic all the Greek Gods are "aeons" basically spirits that try to help humans become more divine by teaching them the correct knowledge. Each aeon sort of represents one particular thing.

So the black smith Vulcan gives knowledge relating to metal. Zeus is the leader God so he teaches leadership. Heracles could be an aeon that teaches /fit/. They are basically a type of perfection to strive for. Promotheus is a big bro though.

Being "redpilled"=aligned with the Aeons and knowing the truth

The contrast to the Aeons are the Archons who want to fuck you up. Do the opposite of what they say. Bluepill=good goy that listens to Archons.

Fruit of knowledge of GOOD and EVIL.

Not just general knowledge. Satan is the bad guy because he exposed us to evil and sin.

Get it right.

God is the real Satan. And Lucifer just wanted to free us.

You do realize the fruit is a metaphore for sex right?!

How do you know this

>Hur dur he warned you but gave a demon, retard weak intellect and desires to make you do it

And what is the word for what they "ate" in Hebrew? What does it translate to?

Isn't it like, we were AI's and became sentient?

You can compare the satan against god thing to people who think the government is full of lizard people controlling you

They didn't gain anything except the ability to be decadent and to feel extreme suffering.

As can be seen in the bible they could have clearly have done sinful and disobedient behavior before eating the fruit, and they could have clearly thought of doing such behavior.

It was the act of eating the fruit that directly lead to Adam and Eve feeling such feelings such as shame and embarrassment, to feel anxiety and fear, to do the act of scapegoating and lose intimidate relationship with the highest octave of thought, that is to say the highest point of existence (which the Jews say does not exist becaus he is before existence) which is the author of existence "God".

So they are just Angels? This sounds a lot like Angels vs Demons or even Ashuras vs Daevas (Zoroastrian)

>God tries creates man and wants us to be holy
>Tests us
>We fail
>We get punished (gaining knowledge of good and evil hard and fast) for failing because if we didn't we would never learn
>We get forgiven because God is compassionate

I'm Mormon and this is essentially what we believe. God commanded us to have children but Adam and Eve couldn't without eating the fruit, so Satan tempting them is part of God's plan, because they had to make the choice for themselves. The results aren't really God's punishment but the consequences of eating the fruit.

You've been brainwashed

satan tried to make his voice higher than God
God punish people for hearing someone else than him

But there's a spiritual truth to this particular part of the story

No. We learned of evil that is literally it. Before we were pure.

This is the reason for our savior's return

In the Apocryphon of John c. 120-180 AD, the Demiurge arrogantly declares that he has made the world by himself:

Now the archon (ruler) who is weak has three names. The first name is Yaltabaoth, the second is Saklas (“fool”), and the third is Samael. And he is impious in his arrogance which is in him. For he said, "I am God and there is no other God beside me," for he is ignorant of his strength, the place from which he had come.[23]

He is Demiurge and maker of man, but as a ray of light from above enters the body of man and gives him a soul, Yaldabaoth is filled with envy; he tries to limit man's knowledge by forbidding him the fruit of knowledge in paradise. At the consummation of all things all light will return to the Pleroma. But Yaldabaoth, the Demiurge, with the material world, will be cast into the lower depths.

the serpent was actually a penis

That's usually the case with genuine myths.

The story of Prometheus is basically the same.

The ancients thought the planets were gods. The big God was Jupiter but every day the morning star (Lucifer in Latin) would rise up and challenge it. Every evening it fell from heaven again. This is the origin of the story of the devil's fall from heaven.

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It just means fruit.

The generic Latin term for fruit means Apple, people used the Latin translations so people assumed that the fruit was an apple.

Some Jews believe it was grapes (the grapes of wrath) some assume it was a fig and others assume it is a pomegranate.

By the way the whole metaphorical view that the fruit was actually sex or the like is completely wrong if you look at the Hebrew philosophical and mystical tradition.

In any case it should be fun to note that scientists now say that the eating of fruit along with cooked meat was key in the event of the Gradual enlargement of the human brain.

Us Jews worship the demiurge, you Gentiles worship the true God.

Basically everything that has been created has been made for a relationship God with love. In order for that love to be real then there has to be a choice involved. Obviously when there is that choice then there is the possibility of rejection which is basically what happened when man fell in the garden of Eden.

...Dude... are you a Satanist?
I'm an atheist, but i can't fathom why anyone would suggest something so fucking retarded. Satan isn't Prometheus; he's not on humanity's side. Humans didn't actually gain anything viable by consuming the fruit of knowledge of good and evil, they just suffered for their decision. Satan did that to prove to God that humans were also capable of disobeying him, b/c he was still butthurt over God favoring humans and kicking him out for not bowing down to Adam. Learn the mythology before you start a thread; it's actually a pretty good read.

This explains some contradictions in the bible, but a simpler explanation is that prophets are schizophrenic.

¿Por que no las dos?
If man was created in God's likeness then wouldn't that make God a man too?
He can have the appearance of a man and still be the Maker
Its kind of fun to think about..he could be anybody..that is if he so chooses to hang out with people

why not be a messianic jew then.

REVELATION 2:9
REVELATION 3:9

DEUS VULT

I don't think the fruit was sex, that guy is crazy.

Are these scientists in Israel? I've not heard anything about this.

>I'm an atheist
No, you aren't.

Some say there is not one God, but Gods, many of them.

The bible translate everything to one God and it makes it confusing as fuck.

The serpent is a group of fallen angels working together to damn the souls of man, among them is the one called Lucifer also resides among them.

Serpents are usually associated with wisdom and the gods in other religions... Hm, connections anyone? I wonder what god's those doomed dimensional downies are pretending to be.

we're not forgiven yet, we need to work for it.

Great post

>satan tries to educate humans with the fruit of knowledge

This in itself is an ignorant meme often pushed by satanist scum.

It wasn't the "tree of knowledge." It only contained the knowledge of life and death.

That's it. Nothing more. It wasn't filled with the secrets of science and other wisdom. That information is a gift from a loving God who cares about us and wants us to prosper, even though we are now apart from him.

Satan told Adam and Eve they would not die if they ate of the fruit of the garden. But the moment they did, they lost their immortality. Adam may have lived to be 800 years old, but even that number is but a blink of an eye in the face of all eternity.

OP, please repent now otherwise Satan will make your life miserable and when you die your soul will belong to him.

Love you brother.

I am. I'm just really interested in Judao-Christian mythology. It's pretty cool. Not as gay as the Greek mythology we studied in Classical Literature (or maybe i just had a terrible teacher). I never pass up the chance to have a conversation with someone about their religion. I may not have a religion of my own, but that doesn't mean i'm not interested n the mythology.

WHY ARE YOU MAKING JESUS SACRIFICE NULL YOU ORTHODOX KEK

I wonder how many of you faggots realize that the whole story is about hemp prohibition.

I think its an apple too because kids bring apples to the teacher therefore the apple represents knowledge

wrong that's what Jesus did

Ephesians 2:8-9

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

They ate a fruit. We aren't sure exactly what kind.