How come the EU tolerates total discrimination of Russians in the Baltic states but threatens us for the slightest things here? Weren't Western states supposed to be the "force of good" yet they show total hypocrisy and double standards when it comes to this?
>The Albanian minority in Macedonia has obtained such rights with the help of the EU that Russian-speakers in Latvia and Estonia do not even dreamed of, said the Russian permanent representative to the EU Vladimir Chizhov >"It was in particular about this situation that the minority, numbering at least 20% of the population has the right to have its language the status of a state. I then asked Mr Solana whether he was planning this principle, which he formulated as universal, to apply to the two Baltic countries. But he went on to say that the universal application of this principle is hardly suitable to specific countries Baltic countries," — said the Russian diplomat. >Latvia is home to less than two million people, of whom about 40% are Russian-speaking. Russian language in the Republic has the status of a foreign language, and only one official state language — Latvian. Many individuals without citizenship, former citizens of the USSR and their descendants who do not have citizenship of the country of residence or any other state, are mostly Russian-speaking.
>said the Russian permanent representative to the EU Vladimir Chizhov Stopped reading there
Jayden Martinez
can't discriminate against r*ssians
Logan Scott
>Lithuania How did you get out of filter?
Now it should be fine though.
Brody Lee
*urla na orkovskom* *zguta hektolitar ruske sperme *
Brody Morgan
>"""""discrimination""""" of Russians in the Baltic states
Julian Myers
fuck off russians
Angel Clark
how many of these mongols have EU citizenship?
Jacob Butler
Why is it always foreigners complaining about their rights and not them? I honestly have never seen any Russian minority complaining
This is as cringy as the Western fags complaining about someone getting offended even when the supposedly offended person doesn't complain
Juan Butler
Because russia can actually occupy the baltics and by doing it get a wider access to the baltic sea, what will expand russian influence in one of the most important areas of europe, threaten trade inside the EU and put pressure over the area beyond kaliningrad and st Petersburg
Russia already got a huge port when they annexed crimea and now they have a bigger geopolitical influence over the black sea, the EU is worried about the same thing happening in the future when the russian population in the baltics surpasses the native population
Now when it comes to the balkans, russians are not in your backyard, they would have to annex the whole of Ukraine/romania and many other territories in order to present a real threat to your sovereignty
But still it seems like the EU is gonna take care of you guys in the near future since there's a new sultan right next to your front door
Samuel Turner
kuradi venelased
Luis Ward
We don't need the EU to take care of us. I want them to practice what they preach everywhere or GTFO with their "holier than thou" and "if you dont't do this..." attitude.
Angel Stewart
I understand your point, but I'm quite sure you already know how the EU works in practice
They don't want russia to get bigger or wealthier because it would threaten the EU on multiple levels, so they would use this kind of approach only when it fits their needs, just like they're doing in the baltics
But when it comes to smaller states like Macedonia, what will they gain if other minorities claim more autonomy and rights? They will try to secede, cause social turmoil and possibly weaken the sovereignty of your country, making it easier to control and easier for them to get their things through
Why did they recognize kosovo as a sovereign state? Why didn't western Europe intervene in the begging of the civil war back in the 90's instead of calling nato years later?
If anything they'll just profit geopolitical perks from albanians claiming more land in the balkans, just like they did the last few years
You can see a lot of regional sentiment growing in europe, all those referendums in scotland and spain One may argue that's not the same case, but all those calls for regional autonomy only serves to weaken the "big states" and fragment their abilities to get by out of the EU's sphere of influence
>People celebrating V-day or a dude waving a flag S-so what do you mean by this?
Adrian Gray
they can do it at home
Brody Rodriguez
They are at home. They were born there.
Daniel Richardson
No Way! :O
Ryder Gutierrez
Realpolitik
The west is not a force of good, it is a force to promote the west and it's power.
Xavier Davis
that's even worse
Angel Nguyen
This
There are no good guys in politics.
Chase Moore
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Jordan Davis
Because this is just a pretense for Russia to grab some more clay on the pretext of defending its diaspora.
Luke Moore
Lmao, if russians are discriminated so much why dont they just leave? Ill tell you why, because they are not dicriminated.
Jaxson Brooks
> Weren't Western states supposed to be the "force of good" course not at most, they're the "force for gay"
Colton Powell
that's a stupid argument to be honest
at least they treat their own citizens much better than Russia does
Eli Turner
so what you don't faggots care about how Russia treats Russians you only mention it as ome soth of an ad hominem argument, but it isn't
we're Russians. when we've had enough bad treatment from our government, we'd go out on the streets, wreck our country and murder some royalty.
and suure then you're all be about how bad we're treating the roylaty again
Fuck off go have a gay parade somewhere else, we're doing fine
Jordan Wood
>that's a stupid argument to be honest
debate me, user, why dont so called discriminated russians leave? they are living on a foreign land, speaking unoficial states language and being drunk 24/7. Why dont tthe russians get back to russia?
Jonathan Collins
There's no such thing as "discrimination" against russians, only rightful treatment. They've killed and enslaved the balts for centuries, it only serves them right to see their precious people suffer in the hands of someone else than themselves. And they can't lift a finger to stop it.
I actually admire the balts for that. Call them small, call them petty they've got more balls than many western nations.
Jonathan Perry
if 200$ salary is fine 4 u then keep doing what you doing and fuck off from europe
Evan Phillips
wiki says 5% of your population is Russian. why even worry? Fyrom, the ''''country'''' of OP, is 1/3 Albanian.
Benjamin Watson
I don't care much about Russia, I'm just telling you how it is. it's true that the West is hypocritical but they do treat their own citizens much better, even if they are imperialists like Russia
I wasn't opining on whether they are discriminated. just saying that some discrimination isn't enough to make a whole minority get up and leave necessarily, especially when they have a choice between a EU country and Russia
Joshua Clark
im tallking about Latvia/Estonia where russian pop is about 20%
Elijah Jones
again you talk as if you care about my salary you don't
and don't talk like you own Europe. you don't, and it's a very messy place to own anyway. everybody that did, didn't end well.
Jose Sullivan
My support for the ethnic Russians / Russian-speaking minorities in the Baltic countries.
Their governments carry out policies of linguistic discrimination and ethnic extermination, it's time to say stop.
Xavier White
>ethnic extermination
i wish, user, i wish
Aiden Edwards
> I'm just telling you how it is. it's true that the West is hypocritical but they do treat their own citizens much better, even if they are imperialists like Russia
to me it sounds like "of course zebras have stripes, but you can't drink a chair" that sentence makes no sence, and while truthful, it doesn't "prove" anything.
as to West treating people well, there is west and "west". Russia treats its minorities like Tatars, better than Baltics treat Russians, for example. Baltics isnt the West, but they're "west" and I assume you count them in
Christian Sanders
your shithole is directly mending in my country affairs, they wanna drag us to hell with you, if you ask me russians, russian language and russia should be banned from europe
Wyatt Price
ha. people are leaving your country allright, russians and locals.
it's not instantanious though, it's a process.
Brandon Cooper
you wrote this >Weren't Western states supposed to be the "force of good" >>at most, they're the "force for gay"
and I agree with you on that. Western foreign policy leaves much to be desired
but they're still more of a "force for good" considering they at least treat their own people much better than Russia does. even that "force for gay" part you mention is included in that, in fact. it's not a coincidence that the most LGBT friendly countries in Europe are also on average the ones who generally care for their citizens more
Mason Lopez
Hey guys, report this message to your local police. I just did it.
why doesnt moscow oblast give language rights to milion of central asian turks?
Chase Hall
>MUH LANGUAGE THAT JUST SO HAPPENT TO BE IN THE TOP 10 MOST SPOKEN IN THE WORLD ISN'T BEING REPRESENTED OFFICIALLY IN A COUNTRY WHERE THERE AREN'T EVEN 10 MILLION SPAKERS OF THE MAJORITY LANGUAGE REEEEEEEEE
This is why I hate Russia more an more every month. Three years ago I thought you guys were cool.
James Rodriguez
well some polls say most people in your cunt are not as afraid of Russian "hell" as you seem to be
but I guess they really forgot to ask you
Isaiah Davis
If they are discriminated, how cone they speak Russian every day of their life, uncensored, in shops and other places? Your definition of discrimination must be weird
Joseph Baker
Same reason people let Prussia get cleansed from Germans without anyone batting an eye. They are human garbage and can piss off.
Blake Adams
Because they don't permanently live here and they don't demand that.
Kayden Harris
>they don't permanently live They don't? When are they leaving?
Thomas Thompson
not for long. since info got leaked that you supported ethnic cleansing of serbs from croatia
Bentley Russell
>but they're still more of a "force for good" considering they at least treat their own people much better than Russia does. again "grass is green but at least my TV is not a Sony".
we're on an Sup Forums right now. internationally, you don't describe country as a "force for good" because it treats its people well. Because by that definition say Waffen SS or NKVD is a force for good too. I mean, they treated some others like shit, but hey, they had good pay and were well respected.. among themselves and their own.
Wyatt Cooper
good question indeed
Easton Ward
I din't. Russians didn't I wonder who you mean though
Jason Gutierrez
They leave and return every year. They just work here. Their families are mostly back there.
Ayden Thompson
you reduced "the west" to "lel faggots" but the thing is that Russia treats even its own citizens horribly so maybe they could use some of that Western faggotry, you know. and arguably, most "western" countries are less of a nuisance than Russia is even with regard to foreign policy
Zachary Roberts
see it that way, they're like lithuanians in actual Europe. Without a home, but they at least can make money in Moscow to feed their families
gotta symapthise
Ethan Price
Tell me this:
Is Russian an official language of state institutions in the places where they make up the majority of the population? Do they get state funding for media in the Russian language? Are they allowed to have their education (primary, secondary, tertiary) completely in Russian and all funded by the state? Do Russians get mandatory quotas for employment in government institutions and enterprises solely based on the fact that they are Russians and not because of qualifications? Do Russians get mandatory state funded university education quotas where the language of instruction is not Russian solely because of the fact that they are Russians and not because of anything else?
I doubt this is the case in any Baltic state.
Jaxson Lewis
Grujo will start a war, only to escape investigation.
Isaac Perez
Woe to the orphans of a dead Empire
They can be happy they didn't got Beneš´d.
Cooper Green
yea theres also a toilet in every institution where you get to lick the picture of putins ass preparing for the meetup
Kayden Jones
most "western" countries are subjects to outside control to some extent.
West as an entity is in perpetual state of war and levelling a country on false evidence is just something it normally does. Russia's pretty much new into the game without hope to catch up.
But at least they care about gay rights, so those half a million estimated dead iraquis and birth of groups like ISIS was worth it, am i right?
Josiah Martin
you also forgot to mention that you lost the war to people that has those rights in your country when did russians in latvia went to war with latvia?
Xavier Gutierrez
ew that's gross even for a hungarian
Ryan Gutierrez
>it is a force to promote the west and it's power
I wish. So far the only country capable of that is the USA.
Cooper Baker
>Russia's pretty much new into the game Russia has been expanding for the last two centuries, what the fuck are you talking about?
Cameron Walker
never but if you let latvians tell you, it's since the beginning of time maybe you're right and they should pay reparations then, for those imaginary wars?
nah, just kidding. give Russians the same rights minorities in Russia have, and that's that
Gavin Wood
you destroyed Afghanistan,Ukraine and tried that shit with Georgia, you did catch up pretty fast
Leo Gray
>West as an entity is in perpetual state of war and levelling a country on false evidence is just something it normally does
I think we agreed on that in the first place. it's interesting that you're willing to brush Russia's "interventions" on similarly flimsy pretexts mostly aside though. "poor Russia, no hope to catching up to those awful masterminds"
Adam Smith
we helped afghanistan
Logan Nelson
>you also forgot to mention that you lost the war Good b8, enough to make me reply to you.
Joseph Garcia
last I heard it was shrinking for over a century, what the fuck are YOU on about
I'm talking about half a million dead in wars and regional disasters West initiated. At least half a million. Only in the last 17 years when Putin was even a thing
Andrew Bell
well these people refuse to learn their new country language and take citizenship
they still waiting for red rmy to return
Matthew Evans
>help by invasion good joke temudzin
Brody Sanchez
they gave up on arms in exchange for rights? was that a win or loss?
Connor Hill
>Russia became the largest country on Earth by pacifism, while the evil West is constantly at war
Jaxson Sanchez
afgainstan is the only soviet intervention, it counts with things like vietnam bro
and in georgia (1000 dead, started by georgian shelling on Russian troops according to EU report) and in Ukriane (10000 dead all told, started after events including a phone call where US State Dept people literally pick Ukrainian prime minister) Russia doesn't come close to hundreds of thousands dead in just one war the West single-handedly started using fake WMD evidence.
Easton Rivera
why should they? they are immigrants.
Ryder Jackson
true, we never started wars, we only defended russia
Ethan Myers
Why don't albanians have to learn macedonian in Macedonia and that's ok then?
Charles Williams
You are not a serb Look Albeinan muslim short shitskin scum whan we gona take kosovo with all our orthadox broders we will take it with killing all of you muslims scums all off you thet will have a problem with us will be shot to death you monky majmun if you have problem with us lets go out and fight scum any serb will beat you to death even in sports we hate you
Kosovo will be free from Albeinan blood soon mark my words just like krym it will be fast and with full force in the night killing americans in kosovo
Whan the balkan war will start this time serbs are not alone no more giving up we gona fight til death
We gona hit your fake shithole you call county so bad thet there will be no Albeinan man laft gona clean our kosovo from muslim blood and not a single tree or muslim man will be laft in the balkan after we will clean it Albenian scum there is no right for you to even talk the shit you góma see will be hall for you and your doggs
Kosovo is serbija soon mark my words soon
Agia sofia agia teos
Brayden Nelson
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Bentley Adams
People who were born in Estonia can't be immigrants.
Charles Sanders
yea please dont help anyone ever again
Jace Flores
why should I care about some balkan shitholes?
Liam Davis
i hope this is pasta
Gabriel Lewis
> They can be happy they didn't got Beneš´d.
There is an opinion that if czechs didnt expel germans, they would live 2 times better now, on level of east german regions since germans were smartest part of czechia's population
Ethan Nelson
Hungary and Czechoslovakia doesnt count it seems
Isaiah Collins
worse they are occupants
they should thank every day to balts for the privilage that they can live there
Sebastian Gutierrez
CIA-controlled terrorists tried to start revolution in your country in 1956, we prevented that, that's why you don't live in an ISIS-tier state
You must buy some flowers RIGHT NOW and bring it to monument of red army soldiers
Cooper Lopez
Because the EU which you are part of promotes such way in Macedonia while closing their eyes on the opposite situation in baltic countries.
Benjamin White
funny thing is russians are the worst part of Estonian population
Alexander Bennett
Occupant is a person who uses brutal force for spreading his regime's power. This is simply not a case.
Connor Fisher
lol who cares
Justin Bennett
only because they lived in an apartheid state.
Estonian nazi state doesn't take them into hospitals, if you're non-estonian and you get sick, you will just die
Connor Cook
so how would you call soviet army families?
Josiah Nelson
i wish this was true desu
Hudson Price
exactly, they are remnants of soviet occupation
Ethan Davis
baltic states joined voluntarily into soviet union
CIA-paid provocateurs were talking about occupation because that's what their american bosses told them to speak
Julian Brown
huge minority of albanians were always living there
its their country
russians in baltics are occupants who refuse to learn new language and take new citizenship