Name one other team Brady would have won championships with

Name one other team Brady would have won championships with.

Name one other QB the Pats would have won championships with.

What a retarded question. He was drafted by the Patriots and wins with them. Stpp loving in a fantasy world, cuck.

Jets.

THIS

>implying it all isn't belicheck

explain the 2008 new england patriots to me

>go 11-5 with fucking matt cassel

What's there to explain?

:/

That's like asking how many Jordan would have won on another squad, an ultimately pointless hypothetical that tries to belittle greatness

>south and north both had two solid teams
>west had to be represented despite 8-8
>lost 1 more game than miami in the conference

Drew Bledsoe

easy mode:

seattle (with that defense)

hardmode:

most other decent playoff teams

the one year without brady and they didnt make the playoffs though

:\

>Threw for 30 less TDs and lost 5 more games with one of the greatest teams ever

Just stop, if the Pats make the playoffs that year they have 0 chance of beating any good team

>greatest team ever
>only pro bowl nominees that year were gostkowski and welker

The New York Giants

God you're actually retarded.

Someone please list all other 31 teams for me. I dont feel like it, but that is the correct answer.

Early 2000s Rams (Bruce and Holt)
Colts (Wayne and Harrison)
Any team with a good defense and no name recievers, similar to Pats, so Ravens, Steelers, Bears.

Brady could probably win a ship with most NFL teams to be honest, maybe not 5, but probably 1 or 2.

2004 iggles

This year Cowboys

2001 rams

2012 seahawk

not an argument.

>no u

Which is it faggot? We're they a good team or not?

They went 11-5, barely missing the playoffs with a literal nobody who never started a game before. Despite one decent season after that, he has been bounced all over the NFL as a backup.

Cassel also went 10-6 with the Chiefs. Are you saying KC and New Englands' systems are about equal?

>go 16-0 against a hard schedule (3rd in SoS) in 2007 with Brady
>go 11-5 against a cupcake schedule in 2008 (literally 32nd in SoS) with Cassel

Brady haters will come up with anything lmao

The '06 Bears

I mean, they GOT to the Owl with Rex fucking Grossman.

>has one good season outside of NE
>ignores the rest of the dumpster fire that has been his career

...

literally all of them outside of Cleveland or Buffalo

lmao that was 10 years ago. See you in 2 weeks

Matt Cassel

>i posted it again xD

sauce?

>getting triggered by the truth
lol 18-1

>these mental gymnastics

NE has an incredible ability to whip even the most mediocre of players into impressive talents. To say it's all Brady does a disservice to Belichick's coaching.

>go 11-5 with Matt Cassel
>go 3-1 with an injured Garoppolo and Brissett.

To say its all Belichick is an equal disservice to Brady. They're both GOAT, leave it at that. Montana had Bill Walsh for christs sake.

Drew Bledsoe at the bare minimum if you mean only QBs that have been on the pats since 2000.
If you mean any QB in the league over the past 17 years, there's a huge list.

The year he came back they lost more games and went one and done.

Except it isn't. We have demonstrable proof of no-name players that nobody wants going into NE, playing at a high level and then leaving and going right back to being mediocre. In some cases they go back to NE, and become good again.

>Drew Bledsoe

there's noway in hell Bledsoe was ever going to win an owl post 2000.

>Stating perfectly reasonable facts
>Hurr Durr mental gymnastics

Matt Cassel was completely untested, in his first year starting with the Pats and went 11-5, missing the playoffs and winning the division on tiebreakers only. The Pats scored the second most points in the AFC that year. His passer rating was 89.4 (again in his first year starting).

The remainder of his career outside of NE was 26-39 with about a 78 passer rating.

Was 2008 Cassel a downgrade from Brady? Yeah no shit, but Cassel was a replacement level starting QB at BEST. The fact the Pats AGAIN went 3-1 with literal who's to start the season only further cements the idea that it's the system, not the player.

Okay, so let's hear your reasoning as to why the Patriots went 5-13 under Belichick before Brady became the starter in NE. Go ahead.

He won a huge game against Pittsburgh in the 2001 playoffs when Brady got hurt and probably would have won that SB if needed.

4 fucking games means jack shit. it cements nothing.

>ignoring my original post that Matt "Elite" Cassel also went 10-6 with the shitty ass Chiefs. Go to bed.

>dont play with brady: suck
>play with brady: play well
>dont play with brady again: suck

he would have won alot of superb owls with manning's colts

Yes, I remember that game well., but winning one game, even a high profile playoff game against an excellent Steelers team, doesn't mean he could lead a team all season + playoffs and win the owl.

I don't think he would have beaten the Rams, but who knows, any given Sunday.

...

Technically, Tom Brady has faced zero QBs this year.

>Tom Brady didn't face any good QBs this year
>that means that Brady is bad and not the Patriots defense

this might be the dumbest image I've ever seen.

I'm a patsfag and this just isn't true. Manning's colts were an absolute joke defensively, and Brady wouldn't have won more than Manning. He probably would have won the year chicken parm did, but outside that, NO qb was going to drag that squad to an owl.

>#7 defense in 2002
>#2 defense in 2005
>#2 defense in 2007
>#7 defense in 2008
>#7 defense in 2009

What in the world are you even saying.

He's a false flagger or bandwagon idiot, don't waste your time

>Patriots defense is bad

read it again

No.

They got to play the Jags, Titans, and the newly-formed Texans six times a year during Manning's peak, it inflated the team's defensive metrics.

Three words: black and gold

>The Giants (Eli years but he would extend their window and be more consistent)
>Philadelphia Eagles (The Donovon McNabb/Andy Reid/Westbrook/TO Years)
>The Chargers (Norv Turner/LaDanian Timlinson years/possibly with the current team)
>Broncos (At practically any point of the last 16 years)
>Colts (Peyton Years)
>Houston Texans (Current year and a few of the Matt Schaub years)
>Buffalo (Almost at any point)
>The Jets (Replace Mark Sanchez)
>Miami (replace Chad Pennington)
>Tennessee (Jeff Fisher Years)
>Rams (First few Jeff Fisher years with the Chris Long defenses)
>Seattle (Replace Matt Hasslebeck or Russel Wilson)
>San Francisco (Replace Kaepernick on the Jim Harbaugh years)
>Kansas City Chiefs (Current year)
>Pittsburgh Steelers (Replace Big Ben)
>Carolina (Replace Jake DelHomme)
>Tampa Bay (Current year, Gruden year)
>Atlanta (Replace Matt Ryan)
>Green Bay (Replace Aaron Rodgers)
>Dallas (Replace Romo)
>Arizona (Replace Kurt Warner/Carson Palmer)
>Vikings (The Years right before Brad Childress/early Brad Childress/Replace Favre)
>Bears (Replace Rax Grissman)
>Raiders (Current Year/2002)
>Cincinatti (Carson Palmer years/possibly Andy Dalton years)
>Baltimore Ravens (Any of the Ray Lewis/Ed Reed years)

MAYBE TIER?
>New Orleans (The good years with Drew Brees?)
>Detroit (Megatron years?)
>Jacksonville (That one year?)

I DON'T THINK SO, TIM TIER
>Cleveland Browns

>what one month off early in the season will do

THANKS ROGER

Kurt Warner

have a (you)

it also inflated Manning's meme stats

All that work for 1 (You)