Im thinking about enlisting without prior service...

im thinking about enlisting without prior service, can i realistically expect to have a decent shot of getting into the army special forces if i train before i go?

Nope.

what about ranger school

No.

seriously, i thought a decent amount of people apply 18x and get into special forces without prior enlistment, although its harder

Not gonna happen.

you can enlist into the national guard's 19th or 20th groups as 18 series
you're initial entry training (IET) will go:
>infantry school
>airborne training
>special force selection
>sergeant training
>general special forces training
>mos specific special forces training
>SERE survival, evasion, resistance, escape training (how to be caught and tortured by the enemy)
>robin sage (a mock mission with a team of other newly trained special forces personnel)
>language training

not sure how it is in the US but in canada there is no direct entry option.

I mean, all depends on how much you train, but its mental too, so if youre a beta cuck then you wont make it.

Buy a lottery ticket, if you win then go for it.

>enlisting

Wanna see your grandchildren from the crippled point of view?

They'll chop your legs off if it is too expensive to fix your legs.

isnt that the same as applying for army SF tho? why is national guard different, what you said sounds exactly like the track id take for army SF

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>you can enlist into the national guard's 19th or 20th groups as 18 series
>you're initial entry training (IET) will go:
>>infantry school
>>airborne training
>>special force selection
>>sergeant training
>>general special forces training
>>mos specific special forces training
>>SERE survival, evasion, resistance, escape training (how to be caught and tortured by the enemy)
>>robin sage (a mock mission with a team of other newly trained special forces personnel)
>>language training
Basically this is what your life will consist of a bunch of training after training after training, current army SOF reporting in.

The 18x contract has a stipulation that if you fail at any time to get into SF, that means through selection and the actual training, then they can put you ANYWHERE in the Army. Watch out, nigga, it's a scam.

yeah but id get to kill some unarmed arabs on the way there

Special forces is a LOT more effort for not much more pay. You'd be elite, but that just means you get put in the most dangerous of situations. Hardly even one in a thousand civilians have what it takes, unless you happen to be 300 lbs of muscle and can run like the wind. For that matter you should try to be a football star.

What you're asking is kind of like saying "I've never played football, could I be quarterback of the New England Patriots?"

i mean, i fucked up my first year of college and i wanted to go to med school but now i feel like enlisting might be smarter? and im aware of the process, just wanted to know if its realistic to strive for without prior service and just applying as 18x

yeah thats what i heard, and thats why i was also considering joining the marines and just trying to go marsoc whenever i can if i still feel like it. that way id also be in better shape by then anyway but idk, im trying to decide

regular army you have to be a specialist promotable to apply for selection
which, if you enlist as E1 will take ~4 years before you can go through SFAS

with the national guard you can go straight into selection as part of your initial training
although if you are under ~20 you will most likely not be selected in SFAS even if you complete the entire course

oddly the fit chubby selection candidates are most likely to make it through
low body fat works against you

is the national guard special operations similar to the army's in terms of deployments and missions or what? i hardly ever hear about it

A lot of people will probably say this but I will too. Join the Airforce. The road to MARSOC will be very hard. If you really want SF or MARSOC then enlist as Infantry and do all the schools/special training you can. It will be tough.

only reason i dont wanna go AF is because id like combat training and ideally to be deployed. less boring but i could be wrong

the NG teams from when I was in ('00-'12) had this optempo
>deployed for 1-2 years
>weekend warriors for 6mo-1year
>training for various SF specific tactics and equipment for 1 year
>repeat

There are combat AFSCs. They are well known for their grueling training as well but as I understand they are some of the best. Ask the recruiter. Make sure you can score high on the ASVAB before that though.

PJs and TAC-Ps spend more time attached to and deployed with army infantry and SF units than not
and get hardship pay all the time bc army barracks are "substandard" housing

Active duty has the same contract option. it's just called 18x instead of rep63.

If you're financially stable, train on your own and do 18x when you're ready. You can be much more focused on your training and not worrying about other military bullshit. Getting infantry experience or whatever isn't really important, the Q course will just re-teach you everything. Plus x-rays have two extra schools one before and one after SFAS to make up for lack of military experience.

X-rays have a higher selection rate than prior-service guys if they actually make it to SFAS. 18x is a way for them to funnel COD kids into shitty jobs so they hand out the contracts like candy and most 18x guys will VW or lose their contract in OSUT/Airborne/SOPC. However, if you have your shit together, going 18x will not hurt your chances at all. The only person that matters is you. You either have a 100% chance to get selected or 0%. In the end there is no random chance or probability.


If you want to ask more questions about this kind of stuff I recommend posting in the military enlistment thread on /k/. Also check out shadowspear and professionalsoldiers for SF forums.

i dont get how its different than army SF tho

just operate as a civilian and fuck the gubberment

thanks a ton for the help, im strongly considering SF. its basically between SF or marines for me right now. im just hoping i can train for SFAS and not be wasting my time, im definitely willing to work my ass off and expect to be in pure hell

If you're going to be a cog in the machine, at least be a smart, well-oiled cog.
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>weekend warriors 6mo-1 year
My brother who is SF spent a year and a half in Africa then came back for 2 months of training and back to Africa.

Yeah, all you gotta do is get an 18x contract and pass the training, but if you cant run fast than a 13 minute 2 mile or do more than 40 pushups then you need to get your shit together.

i hate the government and this fucked up system but idk, military sounds like the best option for me right now, i fucked up freshman year in college and wanted to go to med school

>Active duty has the same contract option
I didn't realize 18X was an option for active duty now
when I enlisted it was only an option for NG

I was never active duty
so I don't know active's optempo
apparently it isn't any different

i can already do that and im obviously still training. i wanna train as efficiently as i can before i go to give myself the best chance obviously

>military sounds like the best option for me right now
Exactly how they planned and coordinated it. In any case, go Air or Navy; Army would be detrimental, especially if you're thinking Special Forces since it can't really 'translate' into a civilian job post-service.
>funnily enough, I washed out of the Air Force exactly 10 years ago to this day

i feel like sf or marines would be less boring than air force or navy but idk man. and why cant i just become a cop and eventually a detective or something after i get out of the marines or sf?

and i wouldnt be saying this if i didnt fail 4 classes second semester of freshman year in premed. i really wanted to go to med school but i may have fucked myself. not sure if kicking ass from here on out will be worth the risk of blowing all that time and money and not getting into med school

running and backpacking are the best training options if you plan to go SF
but as far as physical condition the training leading up to SFAS will get you in good enough shape to complete it
but 90% of those not selected are bc they either can't hack it mentally or are considered too mentally immature by the cadre

Don't be stupid OP. The people who will send you off to die don't give a shit about you. You're just a tool in their plans.

Fuck outa here seth

Marines are/is the absolute worst branch you could get into. Worst duty stations, worst equipment, worst upward mobility, least transferable MOS'/jobs, and really nothing going for it than a faux sense of "patriotism" and widespread PTSD. They might look great and fight hard, but damn if they aren't overworked and underpaid.

Well, not everyone's meant for college/university, and you went straight to one of the most difficult fields: medical. Maybe consider Computer Science or IT, and if you do go Air or Navy, pick an MOS/Rate that will have you working with computers and network security.

im well aware. im an anarchist. i just dont know if i have other options. id love to go back to school and kick ass and go to med school but dont wanna waste money. if i knew definitively if i got a 3.7 the rest of my classes i could get accepted id def do it

>rape culture

I think maybe you should kill yourself and get the fuck off this site. You don't belong here.

PS: I hope you get raped

Yeah, but at least he gets a free meal from Denny's once a year and a $10 discount from certain fast food restaurants.

All the while unironically having to answer up to a 5x Draft dodget who rips on prisoners of war.

i had shit going on so i stopped going to class. i had a 4.0 in highschool so i know i could kick ass in college (i did first semester too) but im not sure if that would be enough to off set that horrible semester

>aggressively defending rape culture by ignoring it and telling someone to off themselves for calling it out
Easy there, Drill Sergeant.

It's understandable, especially freshman year. Hell, I was riding a 2.1 GPA in high school; couldn't even go to college after finishing if I had wanted to (also for other reasons). But, years later, I got into college, and finished with a 3.8 GPA.

what do you mean dude one time a marine told me i was hot and that he was interested in having sex with me, tell me thats not rape culture, i felt so violated

meant for

Well get your head right too, shit will fuck with your head if you're not mentally strong too. Good luck OP

My dad did, but that was thirty years ago.

im a psychopath and im not blind, i know the government and this system is fucked. i just dont give a shit anymore.

Going Nasty Girls? Really? Come on, full time it if you want the full experience. Otherwise fuck off. And there are other ways to go SF. 35N was fun on a bun on deployment.

You're where I am now.

You can also enlist in a regular army MOS, let's say 68W combat medic, and enlist with an option 40. What that does is sends you to airborne and RASP which is not ranger school. RASP means you will be an actual ranger, ranger school is something to show everyone else that you are a badass but still doing whatever your job is.

we should get together do drugs and kill arabs together

Fuck med school. Travel. Work your way around the globe doing whatever pays for your next hostel or airbnb. A really good meal at a restaurant in Cali cost $2.50. You got one life. Don't waste it doing others bidding.

What "good" meal costs 2.50?

this is incredibly poor advice

>kill Arabs
We could, but if so, we'll need to go do it the 'right' way in Rojava. No drugs for me though, because my memories are the only things I have worth saving.

is rasp the one where you sleep 2 hours a night for 60 days, lol, i mean ill do it but yeah that sounds rough

id love to do this if i knew i wouldnt get fucked. its a shame, i hate this fucked up capitalist system. actually retarded and depressing but gotta do what i gotta do i guess.

isnt rojava where the anarchists are or something i forget

it doesn't jive with what you've been trained to believe. must be very difficult for you to process. makes smoke come out of your ears. keep working on it.

Everyone who stays in long enough will eventually get the e-mails from recruiters of different branches. Warrant Officer, Special Ops, Ranger, etc. So you'll have a change as long as you don't get in trouble i.e. Article 15; flagged for overweight, APFT failure, investigations (depending on type); drugs r bad, mkay?; or other things.

I've gotten e-mails from all of those branches, and my PT is.... not the best. But I wouldn't make it through those schools since I'd probably blow out an already hurting knee/back/hip.

Also, watch out for injuries. Proper form is key. Sounds gay, but you won't end up broken.

There's lots of good information here in this thread though. I can also answer a few questions if you'd like.

Northern part of Syria, it's the canton of "Kurdistan" fighting ISIS/Daesh and the Turks (particularly in Efrin).

>unironically believes there is such a thing as rape culture

No, no, kill yourself. You deserve to die in horrible agony. Hopefully you get cancer.

>Marines are/is the absolute worst branch you could get into. Worst duty stations, worst equipment, worst upward mobility, least transferable MOS'/jobs, and really nothing going for it than a faux sense of "patriotism" and widespread PTSD. They might look great and fight hard, but damn if they aren't overworked and underpaid.

total bullshit. In part. Job satisfaction surveys show the Marines score some of the highest there is. Thanks to the strong esprit de corps and devotion to duty that is emphasized. What is true, is there's a lot of "suck it up and bear it, I'll shit on you because I outrank you." But that's just how it goes. The other thing to consider though, is that the Marines are a smaller service and will stay that way. So if you're looking for a place to potentially retire from you may need to look to another service. Relatively fewer Marines re-up, as there are fewer spots to promote them into after their initial enlistment. Larger services like Army or Navy or Air Force will, naturally, have more opportunities.

i wanna do that so bad... do you? how? genuinely curious

Normalization of rape and being a rape-apologist is enough indication that rape culture exists. Well, that and actual rape.

That's why I said (or implied) that the Marines aren't the best branch to go to, and one should strongly reconsider enlisting with them.

the more.... serious mindset attracts me to the corps tbh.. but idk.im just looking for something to do before coming back after 4 years and probably becoming a cop, detective, or swat member or some shit idk

totally right. After that, use a Sup Forums thread to show you how to blow crystals by mixing ammonia and bleach in a jar.

Yeah man he can just sucks Tuk-Tuk driver's cock in an alleyway in Thailand because he needs money to see a doctor because he is sick but has no health insurance or way to get back home. It's okay though becuase at least he said no to doing something challenging to safeguard his life financially. Hope that sperm is low in sodium. Hit the bong, blow the gong, man.

why would i give a shit about rape culture even if it was a thing, im a white guy

Show me on the doll where he touched you user

he touched my heart

The Army special forces will come to you. All you have to do is join the Army and do your job at a high level.

Maintain a clean track record, always PT more then the other slobs and don't get caught up in the politics of being a drunk, lazy fuck off duty.

Read books, any book, as long as it can be educational. Retards do not make special forces.

>the more.... serious mindset attracts me to the corps tbh.. but idk.

Then it sounds like it could be a good fit for you. They've got "serious mindset" down to a science. If that's your attitude you could probably get a lot out of being a Marine. There are lots of guys who work as cops etc who were Marines, it gives them a great foundation for stuff like that later in life.

If that's what you are really after then I would highly suggest becoming a police officer first. Military helps with getting into the police force but not as much as you'd think. Becoming a detective or SWAT requires years of experience being a cop not being a Marine or Soldier.

idk if id rather join the army or go to the marines and eventually possibly go marsoc. i honestly dont know. is marsoc even used at all right now, and how is it even different than sf lol

That shouldn't be a reason to ignore it, user. In fact, you being a white guy would surely mean you'd get more attention for bringing it up than I would.

yeah im not looking to just waste 4 years, idk a lot about the dfifferent branches but i know that i want to learn to be really good with a rifle, and really good at defending myself, whether its with a weapon or just my hands. i dont just wanna do nothing if that makes sense, i want to feel like i took soimething away from it

i wouldnt need college?

nothing so pitiful as someone afraid of living. am sure you'll die old and safe clutching your health insurance policy to your empty heart

ya know a lot of stuff looks real good, but I'll bet that a lot of SF types are always gone from their home/family/US on missions. I knew someone that was a double stack ranger and of course the natural progression was are you going to go Green Beret? By then, he had enough and said there was no point unless he wanted to be gone all the time.

im aware, im an anarchist. like an actual anarchist, not the fake american capitalist kind. im just saying that its not surprising white guys like me dont really think too much about stuff like that. just doesnt pertain to me. and i dont give a shit tbh even if it was as bad as you claim. but w/e, why are you in this thread literally no one here gives a shit

i literally dont care about being away from my family

>but i know that i want to learn to be really good with a rifle,

well, there again. I'm not a salesman for the Marines. But shooting is a huge, huge thing in the Marines, it's ingrained in their culture in a way it's not in other services. Of course if you're in a serious combat arms unit in the Army it's similar. Those outfits make as much of shooting ability as they do of PT.

MARSOC are bad mother fuckers, they'll you tell they would kick the SEALs dicks into the dirt, but that's not the truth.

Be a man, go Marine, get in with the bad mother fuckers in MARSOC.

>normalization of rape
>being a rape apologist

Hahaha, what the fuck. You're just making shit up at this point. I really do hope you get raped though, and no, that's not a sign "rape culture" exists, it's a sign you are a dumb cunt who deserves bad things to happen to him.

Depends on your area. Some police departments are very competitive and while not requiring a bachelors degree still highly suggest you get one. Some just want the POST certification. Some will hire you and send you to an academy to become a police officer. Some will only hire you if you already have a POST. You'd do well to speak with your local PD and browse your cities government website.

>admits to not being a white guy
so why should we listen to a nigger or wetback again

It's like any job...hand...blow...

idk, going to the marines for 4 years then trying to become a cop, while possibly going back to school with the GI bill then becoming a detective or something better than just a cop sounds sick but idk dude

Because I'm bored and on RuneScape.

Step away from that edge my friend.

>only Latinos and Blacks exist other than whites
>I'll focus on this strawman instead
You as well. That edge is no place to play around.

Was genuinely trying to help, but fine. Go ahead and be another mindless cog in the machine.

Oh yeah look at me, I call myself an anarchist but still live under the capitalisms wing.

wish i had another option. i really, really do. i just dont think i do right now

>go into the military for the minimum requirement at least, 5 years or etc the number is.
>get as much training as you can
>get SF training if you can
>get honorably discharged
>sign up to be a black water mercenary
>same job without the overly self righteous sense of patriotism
>I've heard some of them can make up to 150,000 USD a year

If you're going to get good and do something, get payed well to do it. It's going to take the same time as becoming a doctor to achieve this goal, and instead of helping people you will be destroying lives and feeding a power hungry machine.

But Hey, anything to feed the illusion of free will eh?

The thing is your chances are slim at being hired straight on as a special unit like detective(or SWAT or whatever) because you will not have very much experience in law enforcement. Not impossible though. There are going to be police officers/other law enforcement agents gunning for those jobs whose record will look better than a military only resume.