I was having a discussion about them earlier with my girlfriend. We both decided that we aren't going to vaccinate our kids until we get more information.
I've read that vaccines lower your immune system, has horrible side effects, and the FDA recently added autism as a side effect to vaccines on their website.
Reddit is 1000000% pro-vaccine, the circle jerk around hating anti-vaxxers is horrendus.
So what's the truth, Sup Forums? Would you vaccinate your children?
Seems degenerate not to get them since you put the rest of society at risk. Just weigh the risks. If there's a 0.01% chance to get autism from taking them vs 0.1% chance to get whatever illness its protecting you from, I would think the choice would be obvious.
Gavin Ward
Enjoy your easily preventable diseases
Michael Lee
If you hate your kids and want them to die of diseases the west eradicated decades ago, then don't vaccinate them.
Chase Russell
You did the right thing, the toxins in vaccines can have all kinds of negative effects
Landon Hill
inb4 Trump said vaccines cause autism. One of the dumb things he said for sure. We don't care. People will keep getting vaccinated in the first world no matter who the president is.
Kayden Lee
idk why you hesitate to get vaccines for your kids, they're already gonna have autism because they're your kids
Jeremiah Wilson
No, noone dies of that shit you vaccine kids for. Just teach them to be careful and protective.
Noah Rivera
>muh autism vaccines well meme'd
Aiden Allen
Read the Wakefield article and how it was debunked. When you are vaccinated, yu are given an engineered dumber down version of the virus. Therefire, there is always the possibility it can mutate into the full condition once you get the vaccine. That happens one in a million. But with a population of like 310 million in the US, it leaves room generates speculation when it does happen.
Andrew Gonzalez
Literally thousands of children die every year from these diseases. Most of them aren't likely to kill you but they definitely can and the vaccination has no downside.
>and the FDA recently added autism as a side effect to vaccines on their website.
TROLLOLOLOL
Joseph Morgan
>unironically using the word 'toxins'
Opinion discarded
Christian Rivera
Astonishingly, not everything that reddit believes is false just because it's reddit, and group consensus doesn't always constitute a "circlejerk", even amongst people you don't like.
Sometimes, one thing is right and the other thing is wrong and that's how it is. Reddit isn't pro-vaccination because redditors are sheeple, they're pro-vaccination because the consensus among actual medical experts & researchers is unanimous and absolute and the evidence for vaccines having scary side effects ranges from shaky to nonexistent.
Stop being an idiot.
Or stop being a troll if you're just bullshitting us.
Either way, stop being a twat.
Hunter Baker
Simple: you may not need it, but you will regret if your kid dies. It is better a 0% chance to die then even 1%
Andrew Richardson
>We both decided that we aren't going to vaccinate our kids You're both retarded. >vaccines lower your immune system Do you read the thingx you type?
Jeremiah Cruz
No vaccine: decent change of getting a serious disease that wouldn't even exist here if not for people like you, or accidentally infecting someone with a compromised immune system.
Vaccine: you help keep terrible diseases in the past. You have a very tiny chance of having a problem.
Camden Garcia
depends. Do you want dead kids or alive kids?
Wyatt Parker
Got my kid vaccinated, and guess what? Nothing happenef
Brody Hall
>noone dies of that shit you vaccine kids for Hm, I wonder why it is no one dies of diseases we prevent? That's a real mystery.
Adam Richardson
looks like OP may have been vaccinated one too many times, imho
Henry Scott
Idiots like you fuck things up for everyone.
Ask your grandparents about what it was like before vaccines, you dipshit
Nathan Young
Real talk: I stopped vaccinating my daughter at 12 months old. I wanted to stop at 9 months when she showed MAJOR regressions into "early markers of autism" but I decided to do one more round and watch her very closely.
Her fingers and toes peeled after the shots. Her sleep became more disrupted, more night terrors. Her hand flapping and other "stimming" got worse. Her speech stopped developing. She even got a mild case of the chicken pox.
Say no to vax, say no to replacing bouts of illness you can recover from with a lifetime of disease.
Big pharma doesn't want healthy people. They want patients.
Gavin Watson
Vaccines have no downsides. Alex Jones gets shitloads of money from his shitty organic pills to tell you they do. Vaccinate your kids or kill yourself.
Charles Bailey
Vaccinate your kids please.
Luke Powell
we didn't vax our kids. they're poison. my wife and her 9 siblings, none were vaxxed. they're the healthiest people i know. my girls are strong, smart, and very healthy. no allergies or fucked up retarded behavior that i see in so many other kids. ALSO: shit doesn't even work most of the time. with the flu and whooping cough...there will be an outbreak, and they'll admit that 90% of teh people getting sick were vaxed. "but it's not as severe as it would have been were they not". how the fuck do they know? research the correlation between discoveries in how germs are transmitted and teh declines in rates of infectious diseases. plus, we live in a first world country. if they DO get sick, we'll go to the hospital. lol.
Don't fucking do it. Ignore the pharma shills, their passion should speak volumes.
Grayson Peterson
Youre a fucking retard. Conclusively prove vaccines were the cause of all these.
John Cox
In recent years, the definition of autism has broadened so much, it's basically "if your kid acts out in anyway, they have autism."
Scientifically, medically, and common sense wise: vaccinations are 100% better than not vaccinating. The diseases they prevent save lives.
The most common one I was warned about when my daughter was whooping cough. It was recommended that both I and my husband get revaccinated with a tdap before our baby was born because it's really common for newborns to get it from their parents and it can kill them.
The reason most people are pro vaccine is because it is backed almost universally by anyone in the fields.
The only people against them are extreme religious and anti government armchair scholars.
Don't be cruel to you child. Do what's right by them.
Blake Martinez
If you believe that vaccinations cause autism, ask yourself this:
Would you rather have a dead child or an autistic child?
Jaxon Gonzalez
They stopped giving live virus vaccines in the 1950s. What you're talking about hasn't happened since.
Angel Gonzalez
nice pup
Mason Peterson
This framing is gonna backfire on you senpai.
Luke Taylor
As an older pollack I did not have the MMR vaccine. I caught all three, at 8, 9 and 24!
Jaxson Ross
I can't. I'm just a mom, just taking care of MY kid.
I can say that I bonded with another mother over our kids both showing early markers of autism.
She continued to vaccinate her son "on schedule", even getting him regular flu shots, and I stopped.
Her son is still non-verbal even with Early Intervention helping and my daughter speaks in complete sentences. Her son has all kind of Sensory Processing Disorder issues, while my daughter has "outgrown" all of hers. Her son is sick with all kinds of ear infections, colds, etc, and my daughter has been sick only three times.
Other than vaccinating, our kids are raised basically the same. Healthy food. Breastfed to at least 18 months, no formula. Etc.
PIC VERY MUCH RELATED
Oliver Lewis
>I'm just a mom >Real talk
if you're a female you'll post your a picture of those delicious breasts
This is just the tip of the iceberg of what these people have uncovered. It really is a goldmine.
Bentley Hall
It said that these conditions developed in kids after getting vaccinated. It didnt say it was caused by the vaccine or had any relation to the vaccine at all, just that some people reportes these things happened eventually in a kids life.
I don't even know why they would put that part in, it served no purpose other than to be mistranslated by tards like you and fear mongered.
Jason Phillips
We had a bird flu pandemic panic a couple years ago in Germany. Government decided to mass produce vaccines and made them mandatory for every government worker, kids and alot of other people.
Turns out they actually produced two different kind of vaccines, one for VIPs (politicians etc), and another one for the plebs. The plebs vaccine had additives that have huge side effects.
That was pretty much the end of my doubts when it comes to the vaccine conspiracy. Big government is using mandatory vaccinations to poison you and your kids on purpose. Of course vaccines work; but they also add stuff to it that has a good chance of permanently ruining your health.
Alexander Smith
Kek, 7/10 bait
Isaiah Walker
ask your doctor to give you the ingredients in the shot.. they do not know. My doctor does not vaccinate his own kids.
Tyler Green
>vactination *instaautismprovider (warning: for governmentally brainwashed only) --ftfy
Benjamin Cook
>If you hate your kids and want them to die of diseases the west eradicated decades ago, then don't vaccinate them. would you spray a fire hose on a house that had its fire put out decades ago?
Julian Howard
Truth, vaccines are not inherently bad. How many decades were vaccines applied with no problems whatsoever? As is usually the case shit patents fuck everything up.
People, knowing bullshit when you hear it is one of the most important skills you will ever develop in life
Aaron Davis
...and you think globuli are the sollution for everything.
Christian Hall
>mom what makes you think my breasts are delicious? upper kek
It's not bait, faggot.
My pediatrician bitched the RN out for giving me shit when I told him I wasn't going to vax any more. He said "Let me give you the inserts so you can think about it". I brought them to the next appointment with all the side effects highlighted, but he didn't even mention vax again.
They know.
John Lopez
thanks!
Levi Phillips
I love talking with other moms on oil. Happens more often then people think, especially in the right threads.
Curious though, was the flailing arms the major symptom that made you stop? That's a normal development when babies are between 4 months to 2 years as they are learning to control their arms. Mine flailed her arms and legs when she was happy or excited, and she's very vocal and healthy.
i can't help but consider the possibility that correlation doesn't equal causation in this case. Some kids, regardless of vaccines have autism. It seems an extreme assumption that vaccines are the only possible reason. Maybe hers did and yours did not?
Brody Evans
They WERE irradiated (in the West), but because of anti-vaccers and immigration, shit's coming back again.
Wyatt Richardson
>The amish don't get autism >The amish don't go to doctors either
If I had autism but never had it diagnosed due to never seeing a doctor in my life, I could say I have never had autism too!
The Problem is the amount of vaccines! 20 Years ago vaccines have been given to new born over a time frame of 3-10 years and the vaccines haven't been manufactured and 3rd world shit holes.
Today children are getting a shock therapy with multiple vaccines at ones, some immune systems might go crazy because of the amount. Vaccine production lines are constantly getting shut down because of poo in loo impurities,... You might get a vaccine produced before the dirt was noticed
It's not the vaccine, it's how it is used and produced
And if you believe that then you'll believe anything. There's nothing wrong with vaccines, provided you get them from a trusted source. The problem is that you have to understand what a vaccine is. It's not a cure all for all diseases: it's a guess. It's designed to introduce your immune system to a foreign microbe such that your immune system can develop to combat it.
That's it. That's all they do. They don't lower IQ, they don't weaken your immune system, and the only autism they cause is that of stupid people who don't know how to read scientific articles.
If you don't want to vaccinate your kids, that's fine, hope you know a good private school that doesn't require vaccination, or homeschool your kid. The only risk is that they might contract a disease that their immune system doesn't know how to handle where it may have been able to if vaccination had been practiced.
Nicholas Ross
Both of their fathers are autistic, so they were both equally "at risk".
She didn't flail her arms during normal waking time -- she would rub them on her sheets for upwards of half an hour before being able to fall asleep. It was "stimming".
She regressed from speaking right after a round of vaccines. She had ten+ words and went back to saying nothing but "duh" for over three months.
She started having night terrors where she would sob for over an hour right after that second to last round of vax. They had mostly stopped -- and I let her be shot up with that poison again, and what do you know, back in full force.
Yes, we did chelation for her. Unless you mean I should talk to the other mom? Hopeless. I have tried to just barely touch upon it and she's EXTREMELY pro-vax, not to mention defensive and sensitive because her son is autistic and "different" and "people are always giving unwanted advice"
Landon Walker
Ya that's a load of bullshit, my mom lives in a part of Ohio with tons of Amish, their family is good friends with an Amish guy that makes furniture who's brother is very clearly autistic, very nice guy just very obviously off
I want to put all anti vaccine people on an Island and then laugh as they all die.
Matthew Harris
Wow bro that argument sure has a lot of substance.
> Heart disease, cancer, and diabetes are virtually non-existent in Amish villages. Equally non-existent are our modern, chemically-engineered medicines, enhanced (chemically engineered) foods, G.M.O. (genetically engineered) foods, and of course, vaccines. How is it that those who are without the so-called "miracles" of orthodox medicine are healthier?
Hudson Wood
How is that Colloidal Silver working out for you Jonesy?
Brody Roberts
nice bait
James James
let's still see them, though
Justin Reyes
This is what I've been thinking.
Vaccines aren't the problem, it's that people aren't spacing them out. You should space vaccinations out a few months in between, or you'll fuck your kid up.
The FDA clearly states autism as a possible side effect "pending further investigation". There was a CDC whistleblower who revealed that that investigation has been done, and surpressed.
Vaccines work by making you just "a little bit ill". They also contain preservatives that are toxic to the body. Who wants to inject a 6-20 lb tiny human with an open blood-brain barrier with disease and toxins?
Seriously how can anyone believe this garbage. There is as much evidence for vaccines causing autism as there is for the existence of god: literally none.
Point me towards a single peer reviewed study in a reputable journal that shows evidence of autism.
Sebastian Campbell
>Penn and kike
Zachary King
Oh my god, are you really this dumb? "Well, her dad is a sperg, and autism has a very strong genetic basis, but it was the vaccines that made her autistic, definitely!"
Lets see some more stormfront-tier sites to back up the anti-vax claims.
Lincoln Thomas
>peer reviewed study in a reputable journal
You mean.... you will only trust a part of the Kike cover-up to tell you what they're doing? Niiiiiice that makes sense
Yes, I do.
Grayson Brown
There isn't a link between vaccines and autism anyway. The only study that's shown a link between autism and anything was SSRI's.
I'm not even sure if the study was credible, it's just the only thing I've ever seen on it.
Nathaniel Reyes
>Not realizing that "scientifically proven" is the most effective form of modern day propaganda >Not realizing how corrupt political and science officials really are >realizing that the media lies to you all the time, but if they say "scientifically proven" then it must be true.
Question everything m8
Lucas Scott
>lives in a part of Ohio That is not an isolated Amish community
Christian Miller
It's been SUPPRESSED MAN! The government wants you all to become spergs so they can CONTROL YOU!
Jayden Fisher
What did you miss about the fact that she shows NO markers of autism now? None?
Oh yeah and her dad grew up outside of Dallas/Fort Worth. Just so happens that area has 3 to 7 times as much fluoride in the water as average. Fluoride has been linked to autism and Tourette's. He has autism, and his sister has Tourette's.
Fluoride also linked to hypothyroidism now.
Yeah, no conspiracies here, guys....
Kayden James
Proper sanitation and clean water is why diseases have drastically declined in the west. Don't trust the needle jew.
Vaccines containing viruses grown using human tissue are 100% dangerous and harmful to the body They're basically weaponized to make the body attack itself
Leo Lee
Link me to where the FDA says that autism is a possible side effect pending further investigation.
>CDC whistleblower suppressed If he was right, there would be academic research done on it. The shit that happens in university labs just isn't subject to the kind of government scrutiny that you think it is - if they found something, it'd be out there on pubmed or google scholar.
>toxins What "toxins" are you talking about - the additive that contains mercury that isn't used in the states anymore?
Isaiah White
OP, if your precious little babies get autism, I'm pretty sure you can safely blame it on genetics rather than vaccines.
Alexander Cruz
You are actually mentally disabled if you think a tribe of people will be isolated anywhere in america without extreme height
Austin Foster
Uhh what the fuck do you think an isolated amish community is? Off on some island in the south pacific?
Aiden Morgan
Bullshit. They JUST released a link between autism and high levels of Folate
What are pre-natal pills they shame everyone into taking chock full of? Motherfucking folate.
Eli Jackson
Vaccines contain weaker versions of a specific virus to a person's body. Once the vaccines are injected, lymphocytes called macrophages eat the weaken viri and presents the portions of the viri into their membrane. Helper lymphocytes would interact with the exposed viri.
These helper lymphocytes would specific activate t cells and b cells. T and b cells would mass produce. Some of those cells become memory b or t cells. B cells would secrete specific antibodies to block the bonding sites of the viri. The viri would either be starved to death (due to blocked binding sites) or killed by killer t cells. Memory lymphocytes would present parts of the virus on their outer membrane so that they can remember the virus and prepare for it. >tl:dr vaccines train the lymphatic system to prepare for a virus attack
Robert Walker
>science officials are corrupt
I'm a scientist at one of the best (top 5) universities in the country, studying biology. I promise you, if we found something, it'd be out there in writing and we'd be showered with money for finding it.
Dismissing everyone who disagrees with your voodoo as a shill or a conspirator is a great way to develop and perpetuate false beliefs.
Carter Morgan
Why the fuck are you guys so worried about your kids having autism? Why don't you ask your parents if it's really that bad.
Easton Nguyen
I will give you the most reasonable answer OP. Get your children to do only the vital ones, and ask for specific information for the ingredients of each one.
>The shit that happens in university labs just isn't subject to the kind of government scrutiny that you think it is - if they found something, it'd be out there on pubmed or google scholar. Lies
>What "toxins" are you talking about >Thimerosal hasn't been used in vaccines for children since 2001. However, thimerosal is still used in some flu vaccines. Yearly flu vaccines are recommended for all children.
But no, I was mostly talking about aluminum >Aluminum adjuvants are used in vaccines such as hepatitis A, hepatitis B, diphtheria-tetanus-containing vaccines, Haemophilus influenzae type b, and pneumococcal vaccines, but they are not used in the live, viral vaccines, such as measles, mumps, rubella, varicella and rotavirus.
Austin Parker
>Pro-vaccination sources often claim that vaccinations are normal in the Amish community, and so is autism. These are lies. While there may be some small Amish groups which vaccinate, and thus have autism; neither is normal. The United Press, in conjunction with Generation Rescue, published a story about the rates of autism in an Amish community in Pennsylvania.
Reporter Dan Olmsted went searching for the autistic Amish. Statistically, there should have been about 130 Amish with autism in the community he examined. Dan discovered 3 cases. The first was an adopted Chinese girl, who had suffered through all of her vaccinations on the same day. The second developed symptoms within 24 hours after getting vaccinated, and there was no information about the third case. The reporter even spoke with the local allopathic doctor, who the Amish sometimes visit whenever herbs and supplements do not suffice (e.g. broken bones). The doctor admitted that he had never seen autism in the Amish community.
have fun watching your kids suffer from preventable illnesses OP. tetanus is some serious shit. once there are any symptoms it's already too late and your kid is toast. i don't support mandatory vaccines or any of that kind of nonsense but I have yet to see any convincing evidence that they cause autism. it's more likely that people waiting until they're too old to have kids and all the poisins in our "food" would be causing the increase in autism.
Ian Ward
>not trusting literally the only people with information to have informed views
how do you form your opinions, again?
Jonathan Murphy
JUST...JUST
There isnt even a link to the fucking study in the article. Are you fucking serious? I can post some bullshit about water filters causing autism in a blog and link it to your facebook wall, and you would probably fucking believe it.
>notes state there's no info on frequency or severity
If one of you dumb cunts claims autism on a vaccine review, it gets tagged with that message. Self-confirming bias is fun.
Austin Morris
>adopted Chinese girl >isolated Amish LOL this is the stupidest shit I've read all day, these are the people who disown you for choosing to move out of the Amish lifestyle at 18
