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Until someone can give an example...one example... of a long-lasting, successful pure communist nation, I'll continue working in the real world where I can build my success. I will continue to never ask another man to share his success with my, as I will never share my success with another man.

You poor soul

china

Go back to Sup Forums you political cocksuckers.

If 6 figures is poor, I'll take it!
China is a socialist, totalitarian nation shifting towards capitalism. Care for a redo?

>he thinks communists belong on Sup Forums
communists belong in the air outside of a helicopter

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I leverage capitalism to buy this retard's communist book of shit. How else could I obtain one?

You're wrong. Idiot.

... So anywhere on Earth, so long as there's a helicopter on the planet?

The only good communist is a dead communist.

t. isis

ANYONE who espouses any virtues of communism is ALWAYS someone who wants to take away someone else's success.

ok faggot

CHINA

which btw together with russia holds your little capitalistic ballsack in a chokehold

there is no pure capitalist or communist countries pure capitalism and communism is impossible to sustain the vast majority of countries on this Earth are on a socialist slider

bro you share with people all the time and people share with you you drive on public roads and where do you think that comes from taxpayers and I'm pretty sure you help your family from time to time yeah you know you help your family you fucking communist

Here, retard.
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ANYONE who espouses any virtues of capitalism is ALWAYS someone who took away someone else's success.

FTFY

I can, myself, imagine other systems than capitalism. This proves you wrong, QED.

Actually Russia isnt a communist nation anymore, and again, China (who are adopting more and more capitalist ideas) just trades with the US, who we owe a large debt. They dont own us, we just owe some money.

i don't think it's legitimate "success" if it's "earned" through cronyism aka legal bribery. purchasing the law in your favor. that is fucking bullshit and you know it

hey friend

do you believe systems other than capitalism work

communism is about leveling things out
capitalism on the other hand just says fuck it free for all
i think both ways are wrong and need to make way for the future

I haven't and I do.

No, I don't. But I can imagine others, which was the statement, which is therefore incorrect. Correct your question and I may change my answer, if you're OP.

socialism is about leveling the playing field
communism is about completely removing the playing field
capitalism is about taking all the referees off the playing field

Anarcho-capitalism is the only way. McDonald's should have it's own army.

not OP but you seem to read the words but missed the meaning

uh, no

Socialism is about calling everyone a winner, not leveling the playing field. It halts the competitive attitude that is the whole point of the playing field, and stagnates any progress in the field

Yeah, if pure marxism works in favor for the people as a whole, and not a dictator who WILL eventually take power due to the nature of men and giving a position of power to a group of people. Marxism only works if the whole nation wills it. Capitalism works even if some don't want it to. Honestly, I would love a communistic lifestyle, but due to the nature of some, its impossible. Once humanity is thoroughly obsoleted in the workforce will any hint of communism succeed, and thats if our successors dont view us as a waste of space before then

> dindu detected

>Anarchy...now with rules!

oh boy I have a hell of a shocker for you every country on the planet uses socialism it's just that some countries use more or less

in fact nearly from its conception America has been using socialism in almost everything

Let's see. The words are:

> Capitalism has deleted people's ability to imagine anything else but capitalism.

I can imagine other systems, therefore this statement is wrong. Maybe you're reading into it stuff that is not there overtly?

you don't know what socialism is do you

No shit, there's a duality in everything.

>he thinks captialism is a zero sum game
did you flunk out of eco 101 or some shit
you're not (dare i say it) underage are you?

ho dear god I could have swore every human was born with critical thinking skills looks like I was wrong

Oh yeah, there's no country that isn't socialist to a point. I mean socialism is the workers owning the means of production. And often times they do. The guy that paints my house owns his brush. The guy who fixes my plumbing owns his tools. I own the computer I use to earn money. Yeah, this version of socialism kicks ass. Let's try not to change it with one of those versions that end up with millions of dead.

why do young people all want socialism and communism?

There you have a factual statement: you were wrong. Possibly more times than you have noticed or care to admit.

i didn't say that people do it personally
it's just a byproduct of free market
i didn't say russia was communist
and debt is a hell of a way to keep someone in check
im worse
im a jew
and im not against anti-communism
but i do think that capitalism is fucking retarded
anyone who says its good is like a rape victim that says she liked it (most of capitalism victims don't have a voice at all)
rape victim detected

>econ 101
>literally orgasm faking 101
Is that all you got?
Show me the real resources, nigger. They don't care about your numbers.

I 100% disagree with you I say all systems of government work but it's just a matter of time before they all collapse
the only question is how long will they work there is no nation in history that has ever stood the test of time
I challenge you the point out one nation that has maintained its identity since its founding
the answer is none no nation has maintained its identity not even America through its conception it went through War through its maturity it went through another War and on its deathbed there will be another War
in 500 years this country won't exist it'll be some other place it might share a similar name and it might still be a union of states but it won't be America

Oh, sorry,I'm the "I haven't and I do" poster.
I misread your statement here: Never mind me I think you're mostly correct in your assertion there. You even got dubs.

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I'm a communist, but the problem is no country has actually tried communism. They just call it "communism" because everyone knows it's a better system than what we have.

communism has deleted the peoples ability to imagine anything else but famine

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>I challenge you the point out one nation that has maintained its identity since its founding
(((ok)))

capitalism socialism and communism are merely forms of government economic policies they don't kill people the thing that kills people is the government not their economic policies
a fascist government resorts to killing an authoritarian government resorts to killing and even republics resort to killing these are governments
capitalism socialism communism are merely economic plans

I would love to give commies a country to rule on their own just to watch them starve to death soon after...

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this thread just proves how right OP is lol

you are oh so right
I was wrong I thought you had critical thinking skills and you proved me you did not
I thank you for enlightening me

btw y'all negroes can pretend like you understand politics and economics all you want, but its clearly obvious that yall fucking dumb and dont know shit

instead of choosing a side because cnn or fox new told you to
why don't you go and study one

Capitalism goes with human nature, more work, more reward. (or smarter work more reward and sometimes shit work good timing, great reward)
But there does need to be some underpinning socailism in coming years due to automation and the decreasing amount of jobs on the market.

ikr socialists can't math

Good heavens, where the hell did THAT come from?

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see this retards
youtube.com/watch?v=e6NbIiRlTN8

you disgusting communist piece of shit thinking that people should help people where do you get off

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more like capitalism goes hand in hand with greed

Well, as far as economic plans, this "capitalist socialism" has a better track record of not devolving into authoritarianism.

For an example of this, look at how Benito Mussolini took socialism and grew fascism out of it. Or how Lenin and Stalin turned socialism into communism.

Oh, do you know how coined the expression "dictatorship of the proletariat?", perchance?

This

>Lenin and Stalin turned socialism into communism
retard

How does that disprove what I said? Greed is part of human nature. Without capitalism my hyper-niche hobbies would not have the demand to go into production if they were expected to work at the rate for everyone else despite doing much more technical work.

Ah, Engels would be so happy in today's society, where the vast majority of people own, among other things, their own homes.

watch this video faggot
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I am a certified retard, yes. I'm not wrong about that though.

>authoritarianism
Define authoritarianism.

>Greed is part of human nature
No, it isn't. It can be discouraged strongly by a culture that doesn't feed it, which is to say, not Western """"""civilization"""""".

They don't own shit while there's still a lien on it.

Actually, you are. Communism is stateless.

Holy shit that handwriting. Smudges everywhere, letters that were missed and added in after writing the word, inconsistent spacing and inability to write in a straight line.

Public schools really have become that bad haven't they?

How about the car I use to work for uber, is it private property or a mean of production? What about the laptop I use to program free lance?

Market economy is just a million times more efficient than socialism at allocating resources, its not even a debatable.

Not that user, but... If capitalism doesn't go against human nature, why isn't it the default system, and we can imagine others?

more work - more reward
that doesn't sound like capitalism at all.
Capitalism creates a situation when large and superprofits are made only by a narrow bourgeoisie-class stratum.
And what indispensable and hard work do they do to deserve such riches? Mostly they get their money by doing absolutely fucking nothing, just by the fact of obtaining property.

capitalism works great with a dash of socialism in the mix. ie. germany

> Define authoritarianism

The enforcement or advocacy of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom.

>"Not REAL Communism!!!!"
Kys.

Like rules?

the perfect system would supply every person with food , shelter and health free of charge ,we are caplable of doing it ,yes technology already advanced that far so why it didn't happen yet ?
because of fuckng greed and selfishness
now as for innovation ,hobbies and the advancement of society ,it won't be equal because you would have to work for it

Capitalism is modern survival of the fittest. If you don't think it's great, it's because you are too weak to succeed in a meritocracy.

All I see is a tick-tock coming out of your mouth.

How does it feel to have your ideology dictated by Jews?

> They don't own shit while there's still a lien on it.

Fair point. I guess that old people that make it to 50 without defaulting are the oppressor class then?

As usual, OP is a confirmed faggot.

Pure communism and pure capitalism sucks.

Capitalism with a few socialist and utilitarianist aspects works best.

I disagree with this capitalism is not Modern Survival of the Fittest Modern Survival of fittest is still the same thing it was a thousand years ago and 10,000 years ago before that

survival of the fittest it's just whoever is fit enough for the environment shall survive

i.e. if I find where you live go to your house and start stalking you and sending you voice messages and tormenting you everyday and you end up so paranoid that you kill yourself you weren't fit to survive in the environment capitalism had nothing to do with that

2nd this
you is either a retard, an illiterate or a troll

you mean socialism with a few capitalistic aspects

Rules, yeah. Like don't rape, don't murder, don't rob .

Is he wrong?

this. everyone has a chance to succeed in a capitalist society. some people have it easier than others yes but in a true capitalist society everyone has the tools to succeed. you're not taxed and regulated to the point where only big corporations play the game (like now). im a business owner and let me tell you, as a small business owner its a nightmare starting a business, its a nightmare hiring people, its a nightmare firing people.
some people are born into money i get that, but its fair game IMO. if i start an empire and get rich, you bet your ass its going to my kids

By that definition all societies are authoritarian. Even primitive social structures in animal communities. Because society is all about supressing some of your personal needs for the benifit of everyone.

And what exactly is personal freedom? And to what extent can you repress it so your state won't be considered authoritarian?

This is bunch of ideological bullshit.


What state you would call more authoritarian? Stalin's USSR of 30s or USA of the beggining of XX century?

What food? Do I get caviar? Tenderloin? Or just rice? What if I don't want rice?

What kind of shelter? A mansion? An apartment? Or a mud hut?

What kind of healthcare? A heart transplant? A laser eye surgery? A flu shot? Or just an aspirin?

>Modern Survival of fittest
>he hasn't heard of tribes
Give up, psychopath. The world was much different 200 years ago, let alone 2000. Collusion always works better than competition for the organisms involved. Only if you're chasing some crackpot abstract ideal like muh improvement of muh race does competition even begin to produce better results, and certainly not better for the organisms who are being wasted on that exercise.

>everyone has a chance to succeed in a capitalist society
Complete and utter fantasy bullshit. Capitalism does not even work without an underclass to generate surplus for the overclass. If there is no army of labor, capital has no privileges.

Capitalism is so great is even profits off of selling you your failed Marxist propaganda.

Nah. Free markets are ok. Certain aspects of socialism make sure the market is free. Monopolies and trusts destroy capitalism. A government that busts trusts is OK in my book.

How does this differ from America? Campaign finance laws. That way the trusts cant buy politicians.

That isn't a perfect system, utopias have been basically proven to cause depression due to the lack of any real goals to be able to set

you fucking communist bastard
you would dare give money to people who hadn't earned it

"Oh ill just give money to my kids cuz there entitled to it"

fuck you and fuck your kids
they need to learn real American capitalistic values and pull themselves up by their bootstraps

I'm tired of people like you giving out handouts to worthless bums

Feudalism worked for centuries.

and it will always have the underclass working it. not everyone is a go getter. most are comfortable and would rather just blame the rich. if you wanna get rich, get rich. work your ass off. if youd rather just complain that shit aint fair, go ahead just shut up and step aside