Is it possible to infiltrate a military facility like pic related?

is it possible to infiltrate a military facility like pic related?

one man, sneaking in slowly, taking down sentries as needed, totally stealthily.

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anything is possible with jesus

play any one of the games and find out retard

possible? yes
probable? no

Anything is possible with tri force

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Hahaha! Adorable...

why not?
although is there anything that can be best accomplished by infiltrating somebody like that instead of by any other more normal means?

op you have to listen to satan

>by infiltrating somebody

in general invading ultra secret black sites are very hard in real life

yeah i would fucking imagine so
but surely that means that there's that much more to be gained from it?

Unless you're living in the MGS timeline, no. Too many things in MGS would not translate to possible in real life.

*long codec calls that take a fraction of a second in real time do not exist
*ventilation ducts are not that easy to smash open and are extremely loud to crawl around in
*soldiers are required to have excellent vision and can and will see you beyond a few meters
*security systems don't rely on limited range of vision cameras and...
*it's not the ones you see that get you, it's the unseen ones hidden in pinpoint holes in the walls
*blowing smoke over infrared laser lines will actually activate the alarm/detonate the device it's wired to (MGS2 tanker section could NEVER have happened)
*actual security on an actual base is far more proactive than the enemies in the games

Only if you have a cardboard box

Let's lay down some facts.

Firstly, most installations are set up specifically to keep infantry out. As well, most anti-infantry specialists focus on anti-espionage. I'd imagine that the militant nature of the facility would generally derive from what the facility is, not necessarily what they have. Hollywood and video games play a huge role in what we perceive as possible or believable. Tactically, the fact of the matter is - sending a single man into a facility - wouldn't be feasible.

But let's assume it is.

The point of war is not to outrun your enemy, it is to outrun your enemy's resources. If your resource is a single man capable of dropping an enemy facility solo, he's already far more valuable than that facility. It would be like handing the enemy an immense asset of yours on a silver platter.

But let's assume it isn't.

Hold up. We can't. The innate concept of war is to win, and when we look at strategies used in the past, we can find specific patterns that emerge.

1) Resolve yourself that losing some resources is acceptable
2) Define what those acceptable limits are
3) Assume that those limits will be tested
4) Give all resources a simple value

Using these guidelines, if espionage were the target, the final result would be more or less "is this person we are sending both capable and expendable?" If either of these are no, then it's likely that nothing will happen.

The problem is, we as general citizens, don't have any real world evidence to even prove that espionage exists in this kind of setting, other than the flow of information doesn't stop. Information control, also one of those resources, is what will answer your question.

TL;DR >it's infeasible, not very likely, unsupported by available evidence, but theoretically possible.

is any kind of media (games, documentaries, etc) that depic infiltration realistically?

i feel that the largest, most fundamental issue is that it's impossible to navigate anywhere that's well guarded without being discovered, and also knocking someone unconscious is probably always loud and messy

If it's the literal, physical embodiment of Snake? Yes.

No. The instant he takes out even a single sentry the base goes on lockdown and his objectives become unreachable. Unless he can get in and out entirely undetected the entire time he's entirely fucked, no matter how badly he fucks up a few guards.

I honestly can't answer that for you.

I'm not military myself, I'm just making assumptions based on a logical method of thinking from a longtime hobby of studying Western Civilization and World History.

I don't know what militant espionage looks like, but I can absolutely assert that assassinations, logical spies, and espionage happen. If I drew a picture and compared it to every game out there, I'd have a hard time pointing to anything to say, "This is what real espionage looks like." Granted, I don't know every game and movie out there, I'd say there could be a positive match somewhere.

Militant espionage is one of those topics that doesn't touch anyone out on the street. I doubt there's more than 1,000 people total in the US that even know the answer to "Does the United States military practice Espionage?"

There is one thing most media gets right, though: Eliminate all witnesses. The fewer that know, the better.

I had a fantastic time reading your post

I enjoy the idea that there has been at least one scenario with such an specific set of conditions that it resulted it in the military having no choice but to send one highly competent man into an enemy facility.

but maybe he just fucked up and died

Maybe if you are trained in the arts of ninjutsu (that is ninja skills). Traditional training like military training will not be enough.
Unfortunately ninjutsu is not being taught to everyone and only a few people get to learn it.
I was introduced to a master that taught me some crazy techniques using nothing but a newspaper for a weapon. Now I am pretty much unbeatable in a fight as long as I have a newspaper with me.
I don't think I could infiltrate a military base but your regular Joe I would make his ass grass.
I know people wont believe me, but the truths is out there.

it's funny because I can't tell if you are serious or not

You're absolutely correct.

In fact, that's the most likely outcome.

To be fair, they say that the genome soliders can range from okay to hot garbage in the senses. Their main selling point is that they are cheap and replaceable

Thus why the entire game tells you (basically yells at you) DON'T GET SEEN OR KILL ANYONE YOU FUCK

The next one in the series gives you a Tranq gun for that reason

It's come pretty close. Hitler was prevented from getting the heavy water needed to enrich nuclear material for a weapon by a single team of Norwegian commandos and it did come down to the actions three men in the very end.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_heavy_water_sabotage

>Knut Haukelid, who was the only trained commando in the immediate area, was informed of the German plan to remove the heavy water and advised he would have to muster support and destroy the shipment. He recruited two people. They decided to sabotage a ferry that would be carrying the heavy water across Lake Tinn. One of the people he recruited recognised a ferry crew member and talked to him, taking this advantage to slip into the bottom of the ship and plant the bomb, after which he slipped away. Eight and a half kilograms of plastic explosive with two alarm-clock fuses were fixed to the keel of the ferry, SF Hydro, which was to carry the railway cars with the heavy water drums across Lake Tinn. On 20 February 1944, shortly after setting off around midnight, the ferry and its cargo sank in deep water, finally capping the original mission's objective and halting Germany's atomic bomb development programme.

it's the worst way to infiltrate anything.

Sun Tzu over here

While we are on this topic, I want to get into the Metal Gear games properly to enjoy the story. I understand that the franchise is huge and has some noncanon/not important stuff.

Only games I know I'm gonna play is Rising because I love stylish action like DMC, but that one isn't even related storywise so it's extra

Let's not forget that everything accomplished in the MGS games is either achieved far more easily by way of leaks and overt political maneuvering, or just doesn't happen in a world where uniformed standing armies do not generally clash anymore.

depends on the facility

made me remmember when US delayed the Iran (I think) nuclear program by having a spy input a virus in there

The soldiers posted would probably have to report in every now and then, when one does not report in they would go full on military manhunt top security mode, mate.

Tranq guy
Actually manage to do it on the stealth
Many celebrations
Hide him in closet
>guy doesnt report in for 40 minutes
DUSTWUN called
Base on lockdown
Navy, Army and Air Force all alerted
:(

Walked around a US Submarine base for nearly an hour without being stopped or questioned.
Just waved at the Marines at the gate and walked in.

I think things are tighter now.

Really the best way would be to not even sneak. Wear a uniform with rank high enough so that you aren't fucked with but low enough not to draw attention. If a guard stops you, go "cmon man." Then boom. You're in. Act like you know where you're going.

>Many celebrations
kek

You fucking neckbeard lmao
What next you studied by the sword?
Quit glorifying Japan, it's not all it's made out to be by animes

>"cmon man"
kek

No, because in the real world people maintain radio contact.
If they don't check in it rases an alarm, and then you're fucked.
Try Real Life: The Game sometime.

Great minds......
Think a like

>soldiers are required to have excellent vision and can and will see you beyond a few meters
you showed your retard colors here

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*teleports behind you*

What everybody is assuming is the rapid pace of a game like MGS. A spy doesn't have to infiltrate immediately. If you really wanted to infiltrate a covert building, you'd be get hired as a soldier or some kind of expert and do whatever you had to do while everyone was watching.

>Send a spy family to the native country
>Have them have kids
>Raise the kids and train them from birth to infiltrate the target
>Work to get them into the facility under legitimate means
>Mission accomplished.

>>Have them have kids
>>Raise the kids and train them from birth to infiltrate the target
that seems hilariously impracticable

Of course creating a sleeper cell that's above scrutiny is very impracticable but it is legitimately possible.

The Saudis didn't just book a flight to NYC, they sent guys to live in Florida for a long time, take piloting lessons, and immersed themselves in the host country before committing the actual act of war.

if you want to spy, you propably are foreigner, and foreigners are not allowed in the military, so one moment or another someone will question you, the you are fucked

If you can't get the job done in 40 minutes it'll never get done anyhow

That's why I stop trying to please my girlfriend

Snake had 24 hours to stop liquid or he would use metal gear

Thats like russian spy bread and butter bro

Aren't allowed in who's military? And that's where you point to your rank, like I previously stated, and walk off.

youtube.com/watch?v=Hv3gyq2f3Xo

In that case, I would create a diversionary incident to draw out, as best I could, the resources of the facility, and seize the chaos.

That brings up a good point.

This is liquid snake and genome soliders. They arent exactly huge on regulation ot doing anything by the book.

Hell, he let revolver ocelot kill 3 dudes through torture, and still said "well, I'll let him torture solid snake too"

Let's not forget that liquid needed snake to activate metal gear for him with the disk. He didn't know how to do it so he let snake run buck wild in shadow Moses til he activated rex

Bump

HA!

Evening my lord.

t.atheist

>*long codec calls that take a fraction of a second in real time do not exist
Actually they do. However, when deployed there are delays in the firmware to keep this from happening when systems are deployed.

>*ventilation ducts are not that easy to smash open and are extremely loud to crawl around in
Whenever I see a ventilation duct scene in a movie, I always roll my eyes. Most of those are not made to take the weight of someone crawling through them. Also, they are always shown that the interior is shiny and clean. Talk to any HVAC guy and he'll tell you the interior of vents are an asthmatic night mare with, usually, years of built up dust and dead vermin that worked their way inside.

>*soldiers are required to have excellent vision and can and will see you beyond a few meters
Any secure facility has a watch Sargent (other title considering the directive) who's job it is to keep the sentry from being bored. Anything from jokes, candy to even the occasional stripper (know one that made good bank stripping for on duty prison guards) to keep their spirits up and alert.

>*security systems don't rely on limited range of vision cameras and...
Some of the best security systems these days have early acoustic triggers. A background noise spectrum is sampled during regular operations. Anything out of the usual of that envelops, a DSP system can send out an automated alert. With smartphones now, these alerts are even going to smartphones and displaying smartwatches.

cont ...

>*it's not the ones you see that get you, it's the unseen ones hidden in pinpoint holes in the walls
One fun thing to do at any airport is try to spot the sniper holes. The GI Joe out in the open is the just a statement of presence. If Abdul al whatever tries some shit, the will be dropped from a tall wall with someone behind a mirror or slot real quick. The most impressive set-ups i have see are in Israel.

>*blowing smoke over infrared laser lines will actually activate the alarm/detonate the device it's wired to (MGS2 tanker section could NEVER have happened)
There are signal levels alerts in most laser trip wires for that. However, the polarized infrared lens trick does work picking up lines of air heated up by the laser.

>*actual security on an actual base is far more proactive than the enemies in the game
It is amazing how many gizmos on base still rely on human operators to distinguish.

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I wasn't really going to post but eh, why not.

Real espionage isn't done with super-soldier dudes, like everyone here seems to think. It's white collar guys that have a shitty day, go to a bar, and meet some dude who buys them a drink. They get talking, and lo and behold Mr. White collar has a fuckton of debt, so Mr. Liu says hey, well why don't you 'consult' for me? Just take this thumb drive to work, copy some files, and I'll pay you $100k.

>spoiler: it happens on LinkedIn more than you'd think

The people in the black suits you guys are thinking of are saboteurs, not spies

Could someone give me an answer here?
I know theres tons of other pages online about this but I want Sup Forums's opinion

>Using these guidelines, if espionage were the target, the final result would be more or less "is this person we are sending both capable and expendable?" If either of these are no, then it's likely that nothing will happen.
I'm not watching that bitch Charlize Theron in Atomic Blonde in protest of glorifying the wet world.

Every wonder what happened to that gung-ho guy in your high school that never showed up to reunions and their cause of death is something like "car crash, body mutilated beyond recognition, dental records match" with missing paperwork?

Perhaps they were pulled in as an expendable and kept on getting assignments where they died or worst. If they made it back, more missions til they hit that "tipping point" of survival to train others to run the gambit. Wet world it not glorious and fill of action moves tied to music.

It is quite, deadly and can fuck your mind hard if you end up discharged into civilian life. Don't dismiss that crazy homeless guy saying he was a spy. He very well may have been and drugged up to be disavowed.

fucking twenty one pilot memes

Absolutely, the bases we have here have fucking McDonald's and pizza huts inside of them. So, you don't need a military ID TO walk thru the front door, just a drivers license.

>If a guard stops you, go "cmon man."
that fucking killed me, holy shit

didn't you hear the story of the delivery boy who got into a u.s. nuke silo? the idea that no one will try makes guards at sites like that over confidant and not pay attention.

>They get talking, and lo and behold Mr. White collar has a fuckton of debt, so Mr. Liu says hey, well why don't you 'consult' for me? Just take this thumb drive to work, copy some files, and I'll pay you $100k.
There is a talk that a lot of these Chinese money sponsored, start-up combinators are just collecting cheap design talent 'til something worth it is ripped off into Chinese manufacturing plants.

what are you on about man?
you've never played an MGS game and you want to get into them?
play the first fucking MGS game
what are you wanting us to say here?

Wouldn't surprise me in the least. Another thing foreign agents do is hang around big tech conventions. Sometimes they get jobs as taxi drivers and try and overhear conversations from their passengers. A few people I know have had their hotel rooms tossed.

But as for the night-vision begoggled, black leather, knife wielding lone infiltrator thing? Super super SUPER rare. CIA has a division called SAD and they do what would come the closest.

>acoustic triggers
The only acoustic triggers around here is the fact that half the shit you're saying is precisely what the fuck he was pointing out.

You can do it the MGS way if you have real life stealth camo that is immune to heat sensors or anything that can detect invisible people. Otherwise, no. You'd be shot before you reach the gate.

Area 51 alone has a fuckton of sensors around it for miles, and they can see and detect anyone before they can even think about getting slightly close.

It CAN be possible through espionage and godlike social engineering for purposes of stealing data or intell gathering.

There are "penetration testers" in the military which are basically SOC or even just Military Police who have the job of being dropped off in town then getting onto a base and seeing how far they can get before they are caught.

When I was a Crew Chief in the Air Force one of them got on a C-17 on the flight line without a restricted area badge and was asking the crew chiefs questions about how to start the aircraft engines and shit and the dumbfucks were answering everything.

In another instance one got on a plane and tried to hold up the crew with a training weapon. The crew proceeded to beat the ever living shit out of the guy while he was crying out "Exercise" repeatedly.

>the military version of "its just a prank bro"

didn't even know what this shit was, and still don't

>who have the job of being dropped off in town then getting onto a base and seeing how far they can get before they are caught.

Dude, that's fucking sweet.

>Wouldn't surprise me in the least. Another thing foreign agents do is hang around big tech conventions. Sometimes they get jobs as taxi drivers and try and overhear conversations from their passengers. A few people I know have had their hotel rooms tossed.
The Consumer Electronics Show in Vegas is full of this scene. If you know anyone that works security in Vegas the two most busy security weeks are CES and Defcon. CES is real cloak and dagger shit having designs and business plans ripped off. At times, it is as simple as tapping into a cell phone call or overhearing a conversation on a floor.

Then there is a hacking carnival that is Blackhat / Defcon. That starts next week and i'm really curious to see what Fed presence is there with Trump in office.

>But as for the night-vision begoggled, black leather, knife wielding lone infiltrator thing? Super super SUPER rare. CIA has a division called SAD and they do what would come the closest.
Wet jobs are rare, expensive and diplomatic dynamite if fucked up. Taking someone out is a last ditch effort after all diplomatic channels are exhausted.

>>who have the job of being dropped off in town then getting onto a base and seeing how far they can get before they are caught.
>Dude, that's fucking sweet.
The excitement runs out quick. You don't have a band playing suspense music at your back. The best description I have is that field work is 80% boring, 19% interesting and 1% sheer terror. It also fucks with your head a lot.

In real life not likely.

You'll get picked up by intrusion alarms and armed guards will haul ass there.

You would however have time to get into a minute man launch site, not the launch facility but the actual site of the missle itself, but i wouldnt stick around to long otherwise the armed guards will make it there before you leave.

I've heard that. I've never been to CES or Defcon but i've heard that it gets insane in Vegas around that time. I don't really do much work with computers but i work in defense so there's been some interesting stories. Though even if I worked in cybersecurity or something i'd probably not go to Defcon, seems like a good way to get your identity stolen or something similar.

They almost always initially got on base by talking their way on base. One particular story I heard was the tester met another Airman at a bar, told him he was too drunk to drive and asked for a ride back to the dorms on base. Once in the car he pretended to pass out in the back seat. Airman comes to gate and tells the guard the guy in the back seat is a fellow airman he's driving home guard lets them pass without checking both ID's. Very rarely was there any sort of actual sneaking done, just smooth talkers.

You ever seen Predator 5: Attack on the Alamo?

In Canada, our bases don't even have guards, if they do it's a single commissionair, either a nice old man or a terrible sjw whore-slut who hates men. Either way you can just walk in most of the time. After our capital was attacked we were ordered to hide in plain sight and not wear uniform off base. Grab a clipboard, uniform, beret and make it look like you're doing shit and you can get anywhere if you get past the gate. There is no security at all. Hell we pay out terrorists, if you're a terrorist or a transexual you could just walk on to a base and start doing shit and if we said "hey no, no islams or chicks with cocks" we would get thrown in jail LOL.

>Though even if I worked in cybersecurity or something i'd probably not go to Defcon, seems like a good way to get your identity stolen or something similar.
I have been to Defcon over the years. ID theft is an issue but the last few years, it has become a mix of professionals, tech anarchists and a lot of Maker crowd people.

If you want to go to Defcon, here is my advise list:
* Do not bother with any electronics on you including smartphones. Just physical cards and a pocket notepad and pen to exchange contact information.

* If you insist on bring electronics, use a burner phone and keep them kept in a Faraday bag when not in use. That includes putting a Faraday bag around your laptop when in the hotel room.

* Do NOT stay at the convention hotel. Find a hotel at least a quarter to half mile from the convention hotel.

* Use an alias if you are really paranoid or have a reputation to protect. I know of people that lost job opportunists mentioning attending Defcon on "ligit" job interviews.

* Get your Frat boy hat on. Most of Defcon attendees drink like a fucking fish. Parties are all over with booze cheap and plentiful.

* Avoid any political or religious arguments. Many wear political stuff to look to find someone to social engineer into a living hell. Want to get targeted by some SOB that hates your political views, tell them off at Defcon. Some of these guys have stalked and fucked up other Defcon attendees for years after a face-to-face argument. With Trump in office, this is will be much more intense.

* Do not fear the Goons. There are the guys in the red shirts (yes, all the Star Trek jokes have been said about them) they are there to help attendees from finding event rooms, walking someone to a rest room if they are chemically disabled before the hotel or cops get to attendees. These guy have seen a lot and are great resources to just talk with about Defcon events.

* Sleep well and mostly stay sober

I'm not going to believe or disbelieve you. I've known enough interesting people to know that not all bullshit is really bullshit. Still, your comment made me smile because it reminded me of an old friend.

BUMP

Live and work in Vegas. The only interesting Defcon story I have is that a group of neckbeards came in to drink they gained access to our TVs in our pub and put on the stupid trololol song. They also fixed the vulnerability.

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Super accurate. This country has turned into a total shithole. I'd be so much better off leaving, denounce my nationality and then come back as a refugee. You can't make it as a hardworking middle class Caucasian in Canada.

>It's come pretty close. Hitler was prevented from getting the heavy water needed to enrich nuclear material for a weapon by a single team of Norwegian commandos and it did come down to the actions three men in the very end.
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_heavy_water_sabotage
>>Knut Haukelid, who was the only trained commando in the immediate area, was informed of the German plan to remove the heavy water and advised he would have to muster support and destroy the shipment. He recruited two people. They decided to sabotage a ferry that would be carrying the heavy water across Lake Tinn. One of the people he recruited recognised a ferry crew member and talked to him, taking this advantage to slip into the bottom of the ship and plant the bomb, after which he slipped away. Eight and a half kilograms of plastic explosive with two alarm-clock fuses were fixed to the keel of the ferry, SF Hydro, which was to carry the railway cars with the heavy water drums across Lake Tinn. On 20 February 1944, shortly after setting off around midnight, the ferry and its cargo sank in deep water, finally capping the original mission's objective and halting Germany's atomic bomb development programme.

This is all true but even if the heavy water was delivered, the Nazi bomb would still have been a dud. It's finally been declassified. Heisenberg (yes, that Heisenberg of Uncertainty Principal) was in charge of the Nazi counterpart to the Manhattan Project was in prison in London after VE day when the American nukes dropped in Japan. Heisenberg admitted that he did not figure out the right isotope mix to have Uranium hit critical mass to crack it. Also, that many of his crew felt the war was lost after D-Day was successful. Many just kept leaving to get to American's to avoid the Russians.

>>Send a spy family to the native country
>>Have them have kids
>>Raise the kids and train them from birth to infiltrate the target
>>Work to get them into the facility under legitimate means
>>Mission accomplished.
This has failed miserably in the USA due to melting pot effect. The latest is this islamic shit where the children of them born in the USA are Americanized real quick and start drinking, partying and wearing skimpy clothes as they look at their parents as dinosaurs. Detroit is full of sans-Islam kids. Some of these Persian girls make great looking strippers. That is where belly dancing comes from.

dude, i don't think i could

Hey man, I'm telling you, you try stuffing that newspaper in my mouth to choke me, I will fuck you up until you cry for your mamma.
Understand?

Also, nigger.

>Live and work in Vegas. The only interesting Defcon story I have is that a group of neckbeards came in to drink they gained access to our TVs in our pub and put on the stupid trololol song. They also fixed the vulnerability.
Let me guess, you work at McMullan's.

Here is a better story. Last year, Bally's security raided a party with a handheld device and a directional WiFi antenna looking for a specific MAC address of a laptop that penetrated the casino floor slot machine network. He was not arrested because the guy fun several NGC (Neveda Game Commission) violations including having the slot matching Ethernet bridged to the Internet. Yes, he fixed it, got his room comp'ed and no arrest was made. Issue was an IT employee bridged the slot machine network with a hub at his desk so he could work from home configuring and updating the slot machines. He got fired and blacklisted from Vegas. Was told he left town.

Then there are the many "Spot the Fed" stories and other foreign operative at the show. Just have a drink and enjoy the talks.

Exactly right!

I was thinking more that he would slice your throat with it or something

I was asking which games are related to the story, which are good and count as games kojima approves of
I know for a fact that the upcoming Survive is a bastardisation, and that the nes port is garbage compared to the original MSX version

The same happened with various other sequels over the years. It's a 30 year old IP, so I am asking which games are good and which aren't. I'm not planning on skipping them entirely, but I want to get into the main story before touching the less loved of the series