In about an hour. The president of the United States will deliver a speech about a new carrier lunched today...

In about an hour. The president of the United States will deliver a speech about a new carrier lunched today. This is a good time for other countries, all over the world, to remember who protects the international waters and assures a healthy balance of power on a global scale. This is a good time to say thank you.

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The US has a military empire. We do not need another fucking carrier. The point of wasting money on arms is to keep defense contractors fat and happy.

We need about 4 more actually.

Why do all your ships have shit names?

Yeah, no. Carriers are useless as fuck. Destroyers are useless as fuck. Most of the modern navy is useless as fuck. All it is, is a giant dick waving contest.

Named after shit people user.

Fuck that. We should build 4 new battleships instead. And bring 2 of the old ones back into service.

How's that F-35 doing?

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Your welcome

Yeah you name them all after people its gay as fuck!

fucking shill. go suck military dick somewhere else

Gerald Ford was a mouth breathing retard.

Cant wait till you americunts roll out the USS Caitlyn Jenner
Essentially a cruiser dressed up as a battle ship

why ?
Watches at 0 $?

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clever, very clever

Carriers are becoming obsolete, the emphasis should shift to smaller ships.

>assures a healthy balance of power on a global scale.
But that's literally the opposite of what the US does, retard.

another carrier! Pfft, it's just overkill at this point from a practical point of view, and as a taxpayer with super high medical premiums.

But as an investor in the defense industry. Nice work fellas.

Do you have any idea what an aircraft carrier or destroyer is?

None of the ships in the far left are aircraft carriers.

top Kek

I'm glad the last US carrier has two nipples instead of one.

i think this graphic is obsolete, the uk retired at least one of their carriers

We have no working defense against Chinese submarines at this point so it really doesn't matter much

You mean the one that we contributed to GLOBALLY and got held back because of other nations problems?
That aircraft?

F22 nigga

>lunched

fucking Burgers know no limits when it comes to eating

Because we're the United States of 'Merica - fuck yeah. We build the biggest, baddest, most lethal shit on the planet.

And we finally got a POTUS ready to put that shit to good use. Watch how valuable a Carrier Strike Group is going to be when we blast the shit out of No Korea.

Someone has to be the Boss of the Planet. May as well be us. kek.

Why should we be using battleships again, they became obsolete in the seventies and we haven't used them since

Yes we do - they're called the Los Angeles Class subs. Hunter/Killers. We probably have one tailing every Chinese/Russian sub out there.

Kaboom. Ching Chong sub go pop.

If AMS becomes better you could conceivably see a shift back to battleships.

Wrong. They are even worse than average carriers. In addition to the aircraft; they carry infantry marines ready to storm any beach around the world.

Justify your argument as to why carriers are obsolete.

They allow projection of military power literally anywhere on the globe - our options without them are basically, "nuke it, or drop conventional munitions from a small number of long range bombers." With a carrier group, you suddenly have fighters and other air superiority assets in close range of most major population centers, and can support ground based assaults more closely without having to "own" a piece of dry land first.

Yeah, I do. We live in an age of asymmetrical warfare. The dune coons aren't exactly floating dinghys out to challenge us. Besides, drone warfare is the future and we can launch those fuckers from anywhere. Carriers are big dick measuring devices that are fuck all useful.

Destroyers haven't been a thing since WWII. Guided missile ships are where it's at.

I wish we kept the Battleships, if for no other reason than to tell the world we DGAF. Giant monster-sized holes await anyone who fucks with us. 16 inch guns that can throw a VW 26 miles. c'mon, that is about as bad ass as it gets...

Battleships look pretty intimidating and badass, but they are now obsolete. They don't stand a chance against a modern mid-size war ship.

Nothing scares the kids like a batch of screaming Super Hornets flying overhead all of a sudden. Backed by a shit-ton of Marines ready to wade ashore and fuck you up proper.

That's the power of the Aircraft Carrier - it isn't even in the application of the force, its just the idea of what it is capable of doing, and that the POTUS thought enough about whatever the fuck bad thing you're doing to send a couple groups of them your way.

It is just going to be a matter of time before they develop a reliable way to shield ships from bombs and guided missils.

When that happens big guns will be the best weapon. Though the US doesn't really have much need for a navy that can defeat an enemy navy. No one else has anything close to a fight.

Asymmetric warfare is all cool and shit until china or Russia get a wild hair and suddenly that warfare ain't so asymmetric.

Also, if you're only focusing on the threat posed by non-state terrorist groups, you're completely ignorant of the geopolitical realities of the world we live in. In case you haven't noticed, Russia and China have both been doing a lot of saber rattling. North Korea, Iran also love themselves a tussle. Ignoring those threats because "not a Muslim jihaidst threat" is fucking ridiculous.

And there are tons of shit that missiles and drones can't do. For some jobs you need the flexibility of a fighter pilot. war isn't all about firing missiles at buildings from half a world away.

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Alpha

Not that user, but with upcoming drones, suborbital jets that can reach every point on earth in one hour and railguns for ships big carrier become obsolete.

The fuck are chink submarines gonna do? Attack my underwater cities with their tempura torpedoes?

Active shell

>China or Russia ever actually doing anything to the US or its allies
Nigga please

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All it takes is a raghead in a rubber raft to fuck up your day. I get the why of carriers, but they're still useless. There are amphib ships that are smaller and faster that can project force quicker.

Code Syphon

Those are amphibious assault ships. They are not aircraft carriers they are not called cvn. They carry a handful of harriers but are mainly helicopters and hovercrafts

That is the highest tech outdated weapons platform in the world.

Total socialized jobs program and nothing more.
Fuck this bullshit.

I'm certain your understanding of both platforms is extensive and your opinion is justified.

The fuck you mean destroyers aren't a thing? I'm looking out my window right now and I'm looking at three of them, I slept on one last week

fake

We used Iowa class battleships in the first gulf war for NSFS. They are now obsolete.

Air strikes are surgical, and never errant user. I refuse to believe we shot at something and missed.

My fucking sides

is that an 83 or 84?

>They are not aircraft carriers

but carry war planes.

"not called cvn". you must me autistic

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Destroyers are Guided missile ships. Please x out of the browser and let national defense be done by the experts.

They're fucking useless. Guided missile destroyers are more useful. When's the last time we've had ship to ship combat? I'll wait while you look it up.

>2017
>not lunching carriers

*Virginia Class.

God, I fucking hate the know it all's who have an opinion on power projection and where to spend the budget but dont know fucking order of battle.

We were killing pirates off the horn just a few years ago.

Neither of those two statements or any kind of valid argument and they were both correct still. Just because it carries aircraft does not make it an aircraft carrier. Go to a basic Wiki search of amphibious assault ship versus aircraft carrier.

I meant Iowa class destroyers. Guided missile destroyers are a different animal.

He's gonna say "Not a ship" because he's an expert..

He's trying to say that DD's are obsolete and DDG's are the best. He probably overheard someone saying it so he thinks he's an expert now.

DDG's are the only thing we build nowadays, we're moving in to building FF's again.

>This is a good time to say thank you.
#MAGA
#8MoreYears
#LiberalTears
#StayMadSnowflakes

>ITT

Lol. You're weak and feeble. You should move to Germany since we disallow them to have a world power army again. You'd fit right in the those European Puzzies

*Iowa Class Battleships

A destroyer is a different designation "DD" vs Battleship "BB"

Get it?

You come off as uneducated. I'm sorry for you. I'm sure you have a great Liberal Arts degree though.

Not with ship based weaponry. Maybe .50 cals, but we werent shooting them with 5/ 54 guns.

Europe is fucking useless

I hope the bottle breaks. Trump may not have the arm strength.

Is that some Red Robin I see? Good shit fam

t. burger

>In this thread
>this
>thread

Aw shit. Aight. Got em confused

Yeah, just ignore that guy.

Everyone is an expert on power projection.

"Hurr most of our commerce is done on the ocean... but a ever present navy protecting our commerce is obsolete!"

seems legit.

You come across as a fatass Murican running around in a Rascal scooter.

>carriers are now obsolete

WTF is this uneducated nonsense? they're an air force base on the go. And no one can can get near a US carrier. They are surrounded by a battle group. That consists of smaller warships and at least two submarines. Any direct missile or warplane would get shot out of the sky before coming even close to a carrier in a combat zone.

We used 5 inch rounds loaded with heet and keet rounds. You should just stop talking if you're not sure what you're talking about.

25 mm would be the preferred weapon by the way, not a browning.

But you already knew that.

Hope you don't run into any fishing boats.

We have 587 overseas bases and pop-up properties to do that from. We don't need carriers bleeding hundreds of billions of dollars off our fucking economy. The world is not still in 1940. The carrier is a slow pile of shit that gains us nothing.

Good one.. he'll never recover.

Now post your home country (likely UK) that has 32% obesity vs 35% obesity but we're the only problem.

I will say: fuck you. "Worldpolice" Murica has not enough money for a proper health care system but build new super carriers. Faggots. Yeah Trump will make americ great again. Especially your public debt.

A typhoon is a hell of a lot bigger than a 50 cal.

Dick waving, faggot. Russia and Chingchong China give fuck all about our navy. If they did would Crimea been raped? Would China build those islands? Face ot, your dick waving is antiquated. China can rape us,without firing a shot.

As much as you fap to the fantasy of a good ol China Murica land based war, it ain't gonna happen.

Do you understand that there are no floating Destroyers that don't have guided missiles on them? If referring to World War 2 era then no shit Einstein. Almost our entire fleet of Destroyers are Arleigh burke-class guided-missile Destroyers

587 overseas bases? What the fuck are you talking about?

A CVN ensures we dont need overflight rights when doing power projection.

A nimitz class carrier can exceed 40knots, which would make it the fastest ship in the Fleet.

I am in awe with how dumb your post is.

>build big ass ship
>enemy sends 200 unmanned drones to sink it
>ship goes down with all jets and some of the crew
>survivors picked up or shot while in lifeboats
>enemy casualties 0

In a world of drones we need to put everything into that. Not big and expensive, small cheap and disposable. Swarms of 20,000+ drones could cause unbelievable destruction/casualties.

I believe the bottles used christening ceremonies are modified to break easily anyway

Russia invaded Crimea because ukraine isn't Nato. Not within our sphere of influence.

China built the spratly's as a means to further their exclusive economic zones.

of course, your extensive research on China revealed that they traditionally aren't an expansive society and are more focused on growing their economy.

So we have the entire 7th Fleet right in their backyard, but your argument is that they built a runway on a manufactured island?

I'll give you some time to regroup and try again.

And theyre fucking useless. Go ahead genius, fire some missiles off into that village where Al kaidy is hiding. Hope you don't mind the dead civilains.

Drone warfare and small strike forces are the future. Dropping a big old American dick into a country is laughable. How's that Iraq thing or Afghanistan thing working out?

What the fuck is an Iowa class destroyer?

Implying we dont have unmanned aircraft.

Implying Carriers dont have air defense assets escorting them

implying those air defense assets cant target thousands of contacts concurrently.

WIKI? nah, Navy vet here. And amphibious assault ships are still carriers at the end of the day(served in both types). It's like teaching a marine how to cook. Sure, the guy can cook a pretty good fried chicken, but he's still a rifle man no matter what, and can join an infantry platoon if need it.

>being this shortsighted
>not understanding basic game theory

Don't think, user.

EMP shit too. Wouldn't want some asshole to spray your wasps into flies.