Who would win thread

Who would win thread

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VC didnt win,the fight at home was POLITICAL.We pulled out cause of the hippies

yeah but somehow 8 years wasnt enough for americans to win, which is pathetic.

* 7 years, still not good

VC did win though, they took over all of south korea and maintained control of the entire country while americans left and never came back. I'm pretty sure that means they won, doesnt matter why americans puled out, they did and thats why they lost

>US invades
>massive losses for 8 years
>no progress made
>North reigns
>US forces retreat, defeated and humiliated

Tell me more about how US didn't lose the war

The French lost also

giving Ameritards a reality check is my fav

kekd

you can't lose a war you didn't want to win. look up 'the military industrial complex' chucklefuck.

>didn't want to win
> my sides

Seriously though.......do US schools actually indoctrinate you with this crap and you believe it? I understand propaganda, every country does it, I just didn't actually think the average American was that stupid.

It appears I have underestimated you lol.

they didnt lose but they were having massive losses

the viet got so rekt btw millions ... u.s. cannot go into indonesia and viet took advantage of it ... a shitty war

and btw ''outdated weaponry'' is not revelant

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>south korea
What

The joke is you think bilogical sex and gender are the same thing.

you got it

>whole United States army
never happened. We didn't even declare war, we were just negating the support that the USSR gave to North Vietnam.
It's like this:
If we had declared war on North Vietnam and gone in, Total War style, we'd have obliterated all of NK in a couple of weeks. But a couple of weeks after *that*, every other country in southeast Asia would have run to the USSR for protection from the invading Americans. From a political standpoint, with the goal of stopping the spread of communism, it was a lose-lose situation. The only thing we could do was prop up South Vietnam and hope they won their own civil war.

BUT the unprecedented access the press had to the front lines in Vietnam meant the folks back home got a clearer picture of guerilla warfare than they ever wanted to see, and they were extremely unhappy about sending their sons/brothers/husbands/fathers over there to die in a war we weren't even trying to win. Public opinion turned drastically against US involvement in Vietnam and to keep their jobs, the politicians of the day pulled us out of the conflict. By the time the war was actually lost by South Vietnam, our forces had been gone for about three years iirc.

So much denial it hurts

>denial
Perhaps you would care to link me to any accredited historical source that mentions the USAF and USN carpet-bombing military targets in North Vietnam? Because I'm pretty sure the closest you're going to find is napalm and agent orange used to deforest battlefields. Maybe you could just shut me up by linking me to the formal Declaration Of War issued by the US Government?

Or maybe you don't know jack shit about Vietnam except what you saw in Full Metal Jacket and Good Morning Vietnam?

>when your military gets assraped by vietnamese dirt farmers so hard that you unironically try to convince people you weren't even trying, despite the fact that you bombed the country, sprayed toxic gas, and fought the VC on land for 10 years

you forgot
>sprayed hundreds of thousands of liters of hardcore neurotoxic weedkillers all over their forests

The joke is you think people will take this bait.

They probably will.

It's no different from the Japanese schools that say they were "forced" to bomb Pearl Harbor because they felt threatened by a neutral county.

Wow, so much American butthurt in these responses, so basically, it was a tie?

There was never a Declaration of War by the US, it was a "Police Action" even before the first US soldier died. And we didn't pull out because of the VC, we pulled out because of the hippies.

Ask anyone who was actually there, the Brass would not let the troops actually advance. There were battlefields like "Hamburger Hill" that we'd take every few days and then just fall back and let the VC re-occupy them so we could take them again, only to fall back again a few days later and let the VC re-occupy them again (again) because every time we took Hamburger Hill the VC took more casualties than we did. We weren't trying to conquer North Vietnam, we were just bleeding their resources. You really think North Vietnam could have fought off the Pacific Fleet? You really think they could have shot down high-altitude bombers with those antique soviet rifles?
The one and only reason we could not AIR SUPERIORITY the fuck out of them was the USSR, it had nothing to do with the VC themselves.

were not that stupid, user is just that stupid.

>it was a tie?
No, it was a decisive loss for South Vietnam after we stopped propping them up. It was never even a war for us.

US tards will never say that they chose to leave the VC alone, just like they'll never admit farmer militia using guerrilla tactics and Continental Army asking for the forever surrendering French to help won them the Revolutionary War happened either. Embarrassing moments happen to every nation. Get over it.

>when that 'weedkiller' turns out to be detrimental to humans and now your country is paying a second time because your soldiers are having retarded kids with birth defects and disabilities after getting gassed with agent orange. but it's okay because it was definitely used to clear out forests and not destroy crops which caused widespread famine killing thousands more vietnamese civilians.

>we lost, so let's just claim it wasn't even a war

>i lost this videogame, well I wasn't even playing hurr durr

It was millions of Vietnamese farmers. Americans murdered at least 1 million of them.
And yes, it was murder you patriotic fucks, not war. 5,000 American casualties and 1,500,000 Vietnamese? Murderers!

Cool we still didn't even come to fight. Our goverment refused to cut our boys lose. That 1.5 would if been all of them if the lib fags moves on.

>chose to leave the VC alone
We did do that, because every politician was scared for his job and people were actually rioting here in the US.
>never admit farmer militia using guerilla tactics
They did do that, and they were damn good at it, not to mention absolutely ruthless about it. But that has nothing to do with the fact that we had thousands of tons of hardware that we never even considered using on their homeland, only moderate deployment of air support for the areas that were already battlefields between North and South Vietnamese.
>forever surrendering French
Your ignorance is really shining here. France has been a "conquer the world" type of empire more than once. They were even brave enough to try and invade Russia. And even though France surrendered to the Nazis in WWII, the French Resistance never stopped fighting them.
>Embarrassing moments happen
Like you showing your abject lack of historical education?
Yeah, embarrassing moments happen.

>let's just claim it wasn't even a war
I will kill myself on livestream RIGHT NOW if you can link me to a US Declaration Of War on Vietnam.
Google all you want, I'll wait.

That's cute bruv, funny how it is called "The Vietnam War" in all of the history annals innit?

You sound like some dude who just lost a barfight sitting in the gutter bleeding talking about how he totally would have won if he'd used his roundhouse kicks or some stupid shit.


Check this shit out -

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War

Date 1 November 1955[A 1] – 30 April 1975
(19 years, 5 months, 4 weeks and 1 day)

Location South Vietnam, North Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos

Result
North Vietnamese victory

But keep shitposting your little heart out Breitbro.

Fucking faggots need to learn history before talking shit.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Peace_Accords

Peace treaty that ended the war, US withdrew having saved South Vietnam, North Vietnam invaded two YEARS after the US forces had left and by that point Americans weren't interested in going back.
The only war the US has "lost" was one they weren't even there to fight.
By that same logic, France lost World War I because Germany ignored the peace treaty signed then and invaded a few years after anyway.

ITT: Retards arguing about the US losing the vietnam war

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>ITT: Retards taking a political defeat for the US and applying it to the military which won every actual combat part of the war.
The only true losers of the Vietnam War were the South Vietnamese. Americans got their nose bloodied but were well out of the war before the South's defeat.

I admit that the French helped. I've never met someone who denied this. What do they teach you in school? That was part of the point of independence. The USA was the first diverse place. Frenchman, English, Spanish, German, Austrian whatever so it didn't make much sense that they took orders from the queen, especially considering how distant she was from the land. Read common sense by Thomas Paine... Or just any book... Are books still legal in Europe? I know free speech and thought aren't... The Quran is probably legal...

i'll tell you who didn't win! the american people! i'll be here all week folks

>wikipedia
lolol
Let me explain the precise angle at which your head is inserted into your ass:
>Assertion: We stopped calling it a war after we lost
>FACT: US involvement was called a Police Action from the very beginning, long before it lost public support
>FACT: It is the Vietnam War because North and South Vietnam were at war. It doesn't need to have the US declare war for us to call it a war.
>FACT: The United States never, at any point before, during, or after the Vietnam War, declared war on North Vietnam. The war was between North and South, not the US and North Vietnam.

>We did do that, because every politician was scared for his job and people were actually rioting here in the US.
Hippies, the same type of people you chastise today
>They did do that, and they were damn good at it, not to mention absolutely ruthless about it. But that has nothing to do with the fact that we had thousands of tons of hardware that we never even considered using on their homeland, only moderate deployment of air support for the areas that were already battlefields between North and South Vietnamese.
So farmers that knew their lands and knew how to use psych warfare better?
>hur we had all dez gunz that we even used on neutral cuntries they rran over to 4 protection but we culdve dun more
>They were even brave enough to try and invade Russia.
Like how Hitler did. How well did that work out again?
>French Resistance never stopped fighting them.
More than what US did in Vietnam
>My US history book told me that we decided to just leave when black kids weren't fucking with me for reading
Like I said, Japan teaches their kids that they did right to attack the US and the nukes were so much worse than 3+ years of carpet bombings and further POW tortures.

Tell yourself whatever you need. Your country tore itself apart with people who refused to fight at home and in the jungle with experiments that killed more of you than them. gg wp.

>Wikipedia

LMFAO

I wouldn't argue on if it technically was a war, because the US hasn't declared one since 1941.
It's much better to focus on how the battles actually turned out, the peace treaty that was signed, and how long after the US left the area before the North invaded the South.
It's hard to argue that the US benefited anything from its involvement, but to say they outright lost is oversimplifying it.

>The US comitted 543,000 troops to the Vietnam War
>bro we werent even trying :)
No wonder the American education system is deemed a failure if it can shit out autists like you.

>game over guys we got wiki'd

The US constantly goes to war without declaring war, you idiot

if it wasn't a war then how did 60,000 American soldiers die? They all fell off bridges and so?

Don't forget the 3 million plus women and children that were slaughtered, that's some real hardcore tough guy shit right there, and still lost the war.

most wars start without a declaration of war
including germany invading poland

Give it 5-10 years and the same thing will be said in the Middle East

>we weren't even trying
>we should've nuked em with no international consequences
Pick one.

Dude.. just get outta of here with your shit

Would you like to get Brittanicaed as well?

Which historical reference point do you need inserted into your orifice to understand that America lost the Vietnam war?

user realises hes brainwashed. user says other people are brainwashed too after original user said it anyway. No one knows what user tries to accomplish. Stay tuned.

Should have just nuked them

Maybe you could do it yourself along with how many US troops suffered side effects from Agent Orange or "friendly fire" from napalm and artillery and got shit all from medical help back in the states.

Feeling #triggered cuz?

there were 2,700,000 American soldiers fighting in Vietnam for 11 years

>we just did a little deforestation

Yeah but Cuba is dead now. America isn't

"Congress has voted 23 times to authorize limited military engagements including Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. "

Congress has the power to declare war, which is why no president has since WWII.

It goes to congress, then they decide.

hence why Vietnam was a war, and one you lost so terribly, despite outnumbering the opponent almost 4:1

Which meme do you need to realize that auto-defaulting to a website that can be edited by anybody stopped being a point of source reference in high school?

No shit the US lost Vietnam. They couldn't even rig votes right there in the first place.

The same US-hating morons will ignore everything else just to try to force their agenda
>US and Iraq fight in 2003
>US quickly wins control of the battlefield and of the Iraqi government
>By all accounts the war has been won and it is now an occupation
>Control of Iraqi military and government is returned to the Iraqis 2006-2007
>US occupation of Iraq ends, some US forces stay to keep the peace or help Iraqis
>ISIS defeats much of Iraqi Army in 2014
>Bulk US forces have been gone for years by this point
>"Hurr this proves the US lost"
Those are the kind of people that will write Wikipedia articles, where they can just manage to spin a long and complex situation into a single sentence as if it's proof of something.

It can be edited by anybody and contains citations to references. There is nothing dubious about quoting verified wikipedia info, it is an auto default because it's quick, this is not metaphysics here, no matter how hard the butthurt triggereds in this thread screech autistically at the sky.

Books are beginning to be illegalized here in Germany. Common sense would be a big no no

>lost so terribly
In what way? It's obvious it was a political defeat but don't go full retard and say the US military lost. It was the complete opposite.

Hahaha, No.

Being so quick to assume the people just stating facts (that a bunch of chinks in ratholes crushed you) hate America is a bit fucking stupid.

>Hippies
Correct
>So farmers that knew their lands and knew how to use psych warfare better?
Correct
>Like how HItler did. How well did that work out again?
I said "brave" not "smart".
>More than what US did in Vietnam
False equivalence. The US wasn't occupied by VC. Actually the French Resistance fighting the Germans was more like the VC fighting the US.
>Japan teaches their kids
Irrelevant. No declaration of war between the US and North Vietnam exists. No possible scenario of North Vietnam resisting sustained high-altitude carpet bombing exists. Nothing remotely approaching the scope of the Pacific Campaign occurred during Vietnam. "The entire US Army" in OP's pic is more than exaggeration, it's patent falsehood. We did not commit anywhere near our entire fighting force to Vietnam. That's not an opinion, that's not crying because we didn't win, that's a matter of fact that the majority of our fighting force was never called into play, only grunt foot soldiers and limited air support.
Here (history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/c/carrier-deployments-during-the-vietnam-conflict.html) is the complete list of everywhere that every US aircraft carrier was deployed during the entirety of the Vietnam conflict. Please point out to me where any of them were defeated by Vietcong. You may find this difficult, because none of them were even attacking North Vietnam at any point. One time, ONE (1) time, one carrier pulled into port in *South* Vietnam for less than a day to receive parts for one of its elevators.

Now tell me again about how we were trying our best and couldn't win. Fucking KENYA got more attention from the Pacific fleet than the VC did.

>By all accounts the war has been won
this is wrong, the fighting never stopped. The US never controlled all of Iraq. Not even 50%.

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forgot incendiary air bombs and destroying forests by air bombing just to get rid of handful of people

Just because someone can point out an obvious lie doesn't mean they hate you, you triggered kid.
>By all accounts the war has been won and it is now an occupation
>Control of Iraqi military and government is returned to the Iraqis 2006-2007
>US occupation of Iraq ends, some US forces stay to keep the peace or help Iraqis
>ISIS defeats much of Iraqi Army in 2014
>Bulk US forces have been gone for years by this point

You literally just explained the reason you fucked up. You had the entire war, then just left like the fucking first Crusades, then your citizens just can't comprehend where ISIS magically came from out of a power vacuum with US weapons left over there.
>you were there
>you won
>you left
>someone else moved in
>now you're back
>everyone is already tired of it

Nah I'm just trying to make my point that all we had to do was obliterate them either nuclear or carpet bomb NV and we wouldn't be having this discussion. Our soldiers wasn't allowed to win because of the politicians. My dad was 173rd Airborne so I know what he tells me

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>6 million jews
Fuck off.
There's already enough historical inaccuracy in this thread without you bringing that shit up.

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The purpose of the war was to remove Saddam Hussein, the Ba'athist Party, and any WMDs.
Those were all achieved to some extent and then a Democratic Iraqi Government was given power. I will not at all defend the fucking mess the Iraqi govt made, they were the ones in control and responsible for making sure things didn't get out of hand.

>It can be edited by anybody
>There is nothing dubious about quoting verified wikipedia info
>the same info Sup Forumstards have done "raids" on to change overnight

Yeah, foolproof info.

>You can lost a war after you've left
Be consistent then, go to the World War 1 page, and change it to French defeat RIGHT FUCKING NOW

only thing kennedy won was a bullet to the head, so much for getting cozy with russians

Britbong here. We have all the good literature. We pay for a reading license (cheaper if you bundle a TV license and roller skating license) and we get our books right from the government, each with a stamp of good quality as proof of the knowledge inside. You Americans are so brainwashed

>looking for facts on Sup Forums

are you retarded m8?

>Implying 'we shuld obliterate dem with teh nukez huhuhuh' would end with anything other than the mutually assured destruction of the USA

To be fair it wasn't the professional US military as depicted on the left, and the vc weren't just farmers. I know I'm taking the b8, but whatever.

Christ, you are not the sharpest tool in the shed are you? You follow the links to quoted citations, then follow the external links to verify the sources. Fuckwit.

*gorillion

>pic related, the number of jews drastically changed before and after the war.
oh wait... that numbers not right.

If you kill everyone you win

>The worst American """defeat""" isn't even a decisive one and is debatable once you look at it with anything more than a middle school education
Keep talking shit, inferiors.

You realise that 'jew' is a religious persuassion and not an ethnicity right? Of course you do, what am I thinking.

Not the Nazis it wasn't. Their race laws were all sorts of retarded.

>Northern Marinara Islands
murrica is SO fat we have entire islands of spaghetti sauce

or 50,000 ?

Because i'm sure so many people would take up Judaism during that time for them to shine, right?

>2 presidents
>americans inist on pulling back
>pull back
>throw more in because pulling back they got a foot hold again
>supplied by russians
>push foward and pull back till final pull out
>russians win

Russia would not have destroyed the world over Vietnam