What do I do if I want to listen to Wagner but I don't care for opera/music drama autism?
Jeremiah Cook
Who is the Harold Bloom as Shakespeare critic to Mozart?
Evan Hill
Listen to some of his overtures.
Listen to instrumental versions. Often they just replace the vocal line with an instrument and it sounds just as good.
Adrian Long
Is there a good conductor that recorded a lot of that kind of stuff?
Joseph Adams
How do I understand counterpoint?
Sebastian Turner
>Prelude to Tristan und Isolde + Liebestod >Flying Dutchman overture >Procession to the Cathedral from Lohengrin >Siegfried Idyll >Ride of the Valkyries >other memes from The Ring Cycle that others can fill you in on
Szell has Wagner Without Words
Leo Gray
Just let it wash over you senpai. Been there. We're not all built to be musical.
yeah, he was good. he has some Telefunken/Bruckner recordings you might enjoy.
can't really blame him for getting mixed results with Bayreuth, though. that orchestra was a fucking mess for just about everyone throughout the 50s-60s.
Lucas Wilson
*makes shostakovich good*
Brandon Hall
Who put the ITAOTS 33 1/3 in the music theory folder?
Robert Butler
>books on music theory and composition which book is best for starting?
David Edwards
Read The Complete Musician by Laitz
Christian James
Thoughts on Kurt Weill? Favorite pieces?
Gabriel Lewis
As much as I like shostakovich your not wrong tho
David Brown
The Seven Deadly Sins, The Threepenny Opera, The Silver Lake
I unironically like this piece. Its an interesting novelty. Certainly humorous but then again so is Milhaud or Mahler at times and at others Shostakovich.
Michael Williams
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Owen Cook
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Angel Hughes
Thank you immunity dog
Isaiah Myers
How to into classical? I've always enjoyed it and found it intriguing but there's so much. I have no idea where to start.
Tilson Thomas for 7 Deadly Sins, Ensemble Modern for Threepenny, Stenz for Silver Lake
Christian Hughes
the distinction between harmony and counterpoint is a pedagogical convention not supported by actual musical practice. t. thomas benjamin
baroque treatise writers who were respected by JS Bach were of the same opinion >Regarding counterpoint, Niedt calls it the musical equivalent of "spelling," and suggests that counterpoint arises from the realization of figured bass. Niedt insists that "mere counterpoint contains no beauty" and that one can "discern no complete meaning or context" from it. As opposed to pedagogues who developed rules for composing counterpoint on its own terms (such as Johann Fux), Niedt attempts instead to extend his figured bass instruction to encompass the subject of counterpoint. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Erhard_Niedt
Chase Reyes
What are the best recordings of Bartok's string quartets?
Brandon Ramirez
juilliard's are my favorite, both mono and stereo (the '63 set)
lots of good sets, though. you don't really have to be too picky.
Mason Phillips
>*makes shostakovich a cuck* Fix'd
Michael White
>I unironically like this piece
Juan Torres
Thanks you very much immunity dog
Adrian Gomez
whats the matter brah, the intent is similar to 3rd movement in beethoven's 6th >Merry gathering of country folk
>comparing Mozart's musical joke to beethoven third movement of his sixth symphony DUDE
Nathaniel Barnes
wow, symphony, srs bsns
the 3rd movement of #6 is another musical joke with richer insturmentation
Asher Clark
Sup Forums should stop fetishizing symphonies, it isn't some magic nonplusultra genre hovering above everything else. this also gives us final solution to bruckner- and mahlerposting.
Logan Richardson
>the distinction between harmony and counterpoint is a pedagogical convention not supported by actual musical practice.
why the fuck would benjamin say something so fucking stupid like holy shit
the idea that counterpoint is moot due to the harmonic content is itself a dated view. it is impossible to say that counterpoint does NOT influence how the music sounds i.e. counterpoint can be and IS experienced at all times. now we call it voice leading, but if harmonic content was paramount, and made counterpoint needless, the concepts explored by debussy and other romantics would have no meaning or currency, which as we all know is false.
Alexander Barnes
Viola is just a retarde violin
Charles Stewart
Anything by Camille Saint Saens
Aiden Perry
>the idea that counterpoint is moot T.B. didnt mean that. the full quote from introduction to first edition of his tonal counterpoint textbook: >in most polyphonic music one can say only that there are both vertical and horizontal controls present, as well as many other kinds of controlling elements.
Jordan Cooper
[Triggered]
Ryder Clark
Viola is the lamest member of the string family. Who actually wants to listen to viola concertos?
Jason Lee
>all those whole notes, half notes on beat 1 and 3, bars full of quater and eighth notes, no accidentals. Why was Mozart such a pleb?
Ethan Carter
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Adam Adams
Is Mahler just a meme or is he actually good?
Gavin Wood
He's really really fucking good
Andrew Adams
haha you're so funny Xd.
Elijah Brown
why
Jacob Hughes
Master orchestrator, great melodic and polyphonic writing. Great form, gesture, range of emotions and dynamics. Pretty much everything that makes a composer great
Asher Cruz
>great why >everything that makes a composer great for example? how come he only wrote symphonies?
Angel Stewart
But user, symphonies are the best musical structure
Brandon Miller
>why Why is anything great? because a large amount of people who are educated on the subject say it is. >how come he only wrote symphonies? he didn't
Samuel Watson
compared to the great composers he did
Gavin Robinson
>because a large amount of people who are educated on the subject say it is
pfffhahahahahahaha
god this place sucks
Josiah Bailey
>Why is anything great? because a large amount of people who are educated on the subject say it is. mahlerfags in a nutshell
Samuel Campbell
The original recordings with Lotte Lenya (she's my favorite operatic singer). Happy End is pretty good as well. The film versions of Dreigroschenoper are pretty good.
Do you really want me to sit down and show you what makes great melodic, harmonic and polyphonic writing great? what makes great use of form great? what makes great gestures great? Just trust us if you don't know how to work these things out yourself by looking at the score and listening to the music.
The same reasoning is used to show any composer is great - because people who know what they're talking about say they are. They might be kind enough to explain in detail why, but often they will simply say "Bach is great - you should study his scores" "Mozart is great" and expect you to concur without having to explain what makes a good melody good.
Liam Cox
nobody asked you to develop every single issue that you brought up yourself. just explain and illustrate a single line of reasoning.
Leo Walker
Yeah but you basically said "I like him because smart people told me to" which is very disingenuous.
Anthony Phillips
also >Just trust us if you don't know how to work these things out yourself by looking at the score and listening to the music.
where did you get that automatic technical highground? just talk to equals here until proven otherwise.
>i like mahler because i'm more educated than you holy fuck
Jeremiah Martinez
If you want to know why, just fucking check google and videos about him, are you that retarded ?
Brody Smith
>the inverted subject inverted in 2nd clarinet is that all? not going to watch another boring deryck cooke analysis. fuck mahlerfags and that whole meme
Kayden Peterson
what's your favorite WTC recording /classical/?
for me it's this or Andras Schiff's ECM set.
Gabriel Adams
koroliov... schiff impression is too "soft" for me but i would need to relisten
Henry Reed
Feinberg or Hantaï
Isaiah Johnson
I'm redownloading the Schiff to reacquaint myself but it just felt very at ease, and had good flow.
whereas what I like in Aldwell is the lack of pretension with his tempos, and his style/interpretation. he really lets the pieces sing
I actually haven't heard Koroliov's interpretation though, only his Art of Fugue
Jace Perez
grimes is the modern day mozart, most people here agree
James Gutierrez
Can we agree that the Romantic era was almost completely worthless? >chopin, who could only write for piano and could barely write anything over 3 minutes that sounded good >schumann, who could only write for piano or voice and whole appeal is the manic depressive shittiness of it >mendelssohn, who made music by Haydn and Mozart but not nearly as well if not for Weber and Wagner we might as well dump the 19th century to the trash
Christopher Cook
>"you know if Bach lived today he'd make heavy metal music lol"
How do you reply to these cringe worthy metalheads who keep repeating the same shit all the time?
Henry Brooks
You're a fucking disgrace to mankind
Josiah Young
> "heavy metal music"
Jaxon Johnson
Could somebody point me in the direction of a production of Le Nozze in which Cherubino engages in "/ss/" with the female cast members
Charles Lee
you just ignore them dude, they're in a bubble
Jose Diaz
>forgets Berlioz, Brahms, Schubert, Tchaikovsky, and so on, and so on, and so on
