>During early development the Russos considered adapting the "Grand Director" storyline, about a psychotic supersoldier created in the 1950's to replace Captain America.
>Kevin Feige was initially reluctant to adapt the "Civil War" storyline, but was ultimately persuaded by the Russos.
>Tony Stark was meant to only make a brief appearance per executive producer Ike Permultter's demand. Robert Downey Jr. lobbied for a larger role, and was backed by Feige, who believed the movie needed the proper conflict. Permultter objected due to Downey Jr.'s salary, leading to a feud that would result in the disbandment of the Marvel Creative Committee that oversaw all previous movies, and Feige seizing control of the entire movie department, while Permultter was shuffled to the television department.
>During a brief period where it appeared Downey Jr. wouldn't be a part of the movie, the Russos entertained an alternative third act in which Zemo would be after the Madbomb, which was created by Hydra and stored in the Siberian outpost. Zemo would the unleash it on Washington, D.C., forcing the Avengers to find a way to prevent the outbreak without harming the mind-warped civilians.
>Early drafts featured Captain America's death, but the Russos believed this would cause the Avengers to come together again, and felt that leaving Captain America alive and the team shattered and facing their choices was more dramatically interesting.
>In early drafts, Black Widow and Vision were on Captain America's side, while Ant-Man and Hawkeye were on Iron Man's side.
>Early drafts featured Pepper Potts, who would be pregnant, but the idea was scrapped as it'd require a contract renegotiation for Gwyneth Paltrow.
>Early drafts featured Bruce Banner in a minor role, but this was scrapped as it'd conflict with THOR: RAGNAROK.
>Early drafts featured an extended introduction to Ant-Man, which was scrapped as it conflicted with what was established in ANT-MAN.
>Early drafts featured the Wasp joining Captain America's team alongside Ant-Man, but the Russos felt she was superfluous to the story and best served being introduced in ANT-MAN & THE WASP.
>In early drafts, the Russos considered giving Peter Parker the Iron Spider suit and having Secretary Thaddeus Ross transform into the Red Hulk.
>The Russos intended for Spider-Man to have a larger role and function as the neutral viewpoint to the conflict. When negotiations with Sony initially fell through, he was replaced by Black Panther, who would originally only appear as Prince T'Challa, advocating for the Accords at behest of Wakanda. Marvel Studios and Sony Pictures later reached a deal and Spider-Man was reinserted in the narrative, although Black Panther's expanded role was maintained.
>Logan Lerman and Dylan O'Brien were Sony Pictures' top choices for the role before Marvel Studios decided to cast a young unknown.
>Tom Holland, Asa Butterfield, Charlie Rowe, Judah Lewis, Matthew Lintz and Charlie Plummer were the finalists to the role after numerous auditions. Butterfield was favored, but allegedly lost the role after disclosing confidential details about it. The frontrunners ended up being Holland, Rowe and Plummer, with Holland ultimately being cast.
>Ernie Hudson was approached to play King T'Chaka of Wakanda.
Mason Fisher
>The decision to make Civil War came about when they realized they could put Bucky at the center of the conflict between Steve and Tony. >They decided early on that they couldn't have the revelation that Bucky killed Tony's parents in the beginning of the movie because it would make the entire rest of the movie revolve around that, which they didn't want. >Bucky's trigger words were chosen mostly due to how cool they sounded in Russian. >Instead of the notebook with Bucky's trigger words, earlier scripts had Bucky's "mind crown", which was the thing hydra put on Bucky's head to control him. They changed it to a notebook because they thought it was too over the top. >There were a few test audiences who didn't like Vision cooking. >Zemo originally had a scene where he gets the winter soldier notebook at an auction, and then kills everyone at the auction, instead of the scene where he gets it from the hydra agent's house. They decided the scene was too mysterious of an opening scene that didn't seem to tie into the rest of the movie and also wasn't specific enough to who Zemo was as a person. They shot the scene with the hydra agent during reshoots. Wish they keeped this one, at least we know it was shot and changed. >Bucky's apartment was modeled after the apartment in the music video for Turn Down for What.
Colton Williams
>The huge location titles were used because Jeff Ford (the editor of all the Cap movies and the Avengers movies) felt that people don't really register tiny location titles at the bottom of the screen. They wanted people to realize, more than where the scene was, that the title markers meant a scene change and to prepare for something different. McFeely notes how the choice was especially important in making audiences freak out when they saw "Queens". >RDJ came up with the idea of Tony bringing pens to Cap as a way to represent what was going on between Steve and Tony. >Markus and McFeely deliberately put Howard Stark saying something to the effect of "Steve Rogers was the best thing I ever did" into the last episode of Agent Carter season 1 for two reasons. 1) In order to lead into the idea that he would attempt to create more super soldiers later in his life and 2) because it also connects to Tony's insecurities with his father and jealousy over Steve in the movie, since Howard had seemingly already decided someone else was the greatest thing he ever created. >Markus: "We've certainly gotten to do more character work writing these movies than we would writing, you know, one indie film about a guy driving across the country. Which is what people would think of when people are like 'Don't you wanna take a break from action and write character movies?'". >Joe and Anthony liked to play Left Hand Free on set even before they added it into the movie.
Colton Nelson
>One of the days they filmed in Atlanta for the airport fight, they recorded the temp out on the cement as 120F. The actors and stunt people who were on set at the time had to preform in that heat. The setting for the Siberian tundra was also Atlanta, in the summer.
>Giant Man was born of them needing to turn the fight to allow Cap and Bucky to escape. There was a time where the script had Scarlet Witch blow up a pipeline instead because they were told they couldn't have Giant Man in the movie.
>Joe: “People always ask 'Why does Tony recruit a 15-year-old kid to fight with him?' and I say 'The thing that is interesting to the four of us on a creative level is examining what the word hero means. These are very human characters. They are very flawed, and Tony is perhaps the most flawed of them all, because of his constant battle of his moral center and his narcissism. I think there is a side of Tony that just didn't want to lose the fight.'”
>As a misdirect, the Russos asked Henry Jackman to make the music when Tony puts on the Iron Man suit in the helicopter the most blatantly heroic in the movie.
>The Bluth stair car from Arrested Development was in the background of the airport fight scenes. The art department built it.
>The Russos decided the film was done when they showed it in a test screening, and exactly 50% sided with Cap and 50% sided with Tony.
Wyatt Moore
I really miss pepper
Blake Campbell
how do you guys find this stuff its so interesting
Juan Hernandez
They make this shit up
Liam Flores
>>During a brief period where it appeared Downey Jr. wouldn't be a part of the movie, the Russos entertained an alternative third act in which Zemo would be after the Madbomb, which was created by Hydra and stored in the Siberian outpost. Zemo would the unleash it on Washington, D.C., forcing the Avengers to find a way to prevent the outbreak without harming the mind-warped civilians.
there is evidence of this in the actual movie. the opening scene with the bioweapon was apparently the madbomb itself. its the only version of that script left in the movie. supposedly they left it in cause they had to tie up loose ends with rumlow from winter soldier.
Benjamin Martinez
Most of it is lifted from the Bluray, Director Commentary and novelization. Also: >CM: He also wants to hurt Bucky to hurt Steve at this point. Because, you know… >SM: Steve failed him. >CM: You love this thing so much? I’m gonna take it away from you.
Jonathan Bennett
Doctor Strange >Fede Alvarez, Mark Andrews, Jonathan Levine, Nikolaj Arcel and Dean Israelite were approached to direct the movie before Scott Derrickson was selected.
>Colin Farrell, Ethan Hawke, Jack Huston, Jared Leto, Jake Gyllenhall, Tom Hardy, Oscar Isaac, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Matthew McConaughey, Keannu Reeves, Ewan McGregor and Justin Theroux were approached for the role of Stephen Strange.
>Joaquin Phoenix was the studio's top choice for the role and was very interested in it, but ultimately declined due to the multi-picture contract that required him to be available for multiple sequels and crossovers.
>Benedict Cumberbatch initially declined the role of Stephen Strange due to scheduling conflicts, but after a brief production delay he became available and ultimately accepted the offer.
>Morgan Freeman, Bill Nighy and Ken Watanabe were considered for the Ancient One before Tilda Swinton was cast.
Nicholas Watson
>Joaquin Phoenix was considered... but they went with Cumminsnatch
just kill me fucking now
Ryder Davis
Really? He would look like fucken idiot as a superhero.
Charles Robinson
>There were a few test audiences who didn't like Vision cooking. fucking synth-phobes
Blake Smith
I still think she should have kept her powers and become Ms. Marvel.
She's been there from the beginning of the movie series. It's literally poetry.
Oliver Martin
So this was basically Sony's fault
Brandon Lopez
You forgot about the Black Widow Scarlet Witch lesbian subplot that got cut.
Xavier Powell
>AAARRGG SONY HELP ME
Cooper Gonzalez
>Tony Stark was meant to only make a brief appearance per executive producer Ike Permultter's demand. >Civil War story >Tony Stark was meant to only make a brief appearance ????
Blake Robinson
regarding the Queens thing, it was damn near impossible to catch anyone off guard by seeing that, since half the fuckin planet saw the spider man trailer, and the other half was talking about it. man, what a bad ass reveal that would have been., but then, would as many people have gone to see it? really makes you think
Kayden Green
Just put her in your memory VR machine Tony
Thomas Nguyen
>Before the filming of Civil War, Robert Downey Jr. Only had $11 to his name. After he got his first paycheck, he bought hot dinner.
Gavin Ortiz
>There were a few test audiences who didn't like Vision cooking. Christ. This is the test audience you marvelshits have. The fact that they see a shot of one of the heroes in a candid moment and they react negatively because he should be non stop fighting
Leo Roberts
>exactly 50% sided with Cap and 50% sided with Tony
How? Tony has been behind half of the villains so far and is completely responsible for Ultron, the whole conflict of this film is unresolved because he forced the accords on the team.
Kayden Foster
>Early drafts featured Pepper Potts, who would be pregnant, but the idea was scrapped as it'd require a contract renegotiation for Gwyneth Paltrow. dodged so many bullets on that one Feige thought he was Neo
Jaxson Myers
>Early drafts featured Captain America's death, but the Russos believed this would cause the Avengers to come together again, and felt that leaving Captain America alive and the team shattered and facing their choices was more dramatically interesting. This is very true, DCucks BTFO again
Tyler Ortiz
Great post!
Nicholas Gomez
>Logan Lerman and Dylan O'Brien were Sony Pictures' top choices for the role before Marvel Studios decided to cast a young unknown. >Dylan O'Brien was one of Sonys top choices >Marvel decided to cast a young unknown
holy fuck I can't believe im siding with Sony on this one
Zachary Cook
>Tony Stark was meant to only make a brief appearance per executive producer Ike Permultter's demand. Robert Downey Jr. lobbied for a larger role, and was backed by Feige, who believed the movie needed the proper conflict. Permultter objected due to Downey Jr.'s salary, leading to a feud that would result in the disbandment of the Marvel Creative Committee that oversaw all previous movies, and Feige seizing control of the entire movie department, while Permultter was shuffled to the television department.
fucking rekt stingy cunt
Nathaniel Wood
>felt that leaving Captain America alive and the team shattered and facing their choices was more dramatically interesting. thats a bit of a stretch. More like Jew Feige stepped in and told them he will black ball them from Jewwywood if they suggested to kill another character ever again
Blake Rivera
>leading to a feud that would result in the disbandment of the Marvel Creative Committee
How ironic
Adam Gomez
Yeah I would probably go with Dylan O'Brien, Tom Holland seems alright. I doubt Dylan could have done much with that shitty tip-toeing around great power great responsibility retread anyway.
Hunter Lee
So RDJ forced the entire creative committee to get the sack so that he could get a big cash in and his friend who is on board of his cash grabbing is now the entire creative committee?
Downey jr is taking marvel for a ride lol
Jeremiah Fisher
Wow, this really is Marvel's Civil War.
Thomas King
>Markus and McFeely deliberately put Howard Stark saying something to the effect of "Steve Rogers was the best thing I ever did" into the last episode of Agent Carter season 1 for two reasons. 1) In order to lead into the idea that he would attempt to create more super soldiers later in his life and 2) because it also connects to Tony's insecurities with his father and jealousy over Steve in the movie, since Howard had seemingly already decided someone else was the greatest thing he ever created.
that is actually pretty cool, bravo MCU
Brandon Diaz
>pepper gets badass super powers for one scene >tony immediately cures them off screen
sexism strikes again
Carter Adams
At this point its pretty apparent RDJ is tired of the part.
I think what he's trying to get at is "how far can I milk em before someone says enough is enough and gives me a good enough excuse to finally quit" Fortunately/unfortunately he hasn't pushed em far enough
Gavin Peterson
>someone gouging Disney for once
I am okay with this, absolutely.
Ian Young
He was the best performance, really sold a man coming apart at the seams from stress and guilt, he earned his 50 million dollars.
Samuel Clark
Phoenix is the one who declined the role. He didn't want to be part of the Marvel machine
Michael Wilson
>Mads opposite Phoenix
Even I know this would have required fucking subtitles if he had accepted the role of Strange.
Samuel Sanchez
The money the good but once you sign on the dotted line you're pretty much at the beck and call of Disney until they're through with you.
I remember hearing mention that a couple of the various actors have had to turn down other rolls because disney told em no
Jayden Adams
Those two guys were like the most obvious choices and would've been blatant pandering to fangirls.
Brayden Allen
This is why Mads wasn't in Thor 2 as the main villain. He turned it down for Hannibal, thank Christ, because he knew that Marvel could potentially use him for god know's how long.
Mason Bell
Leave Joaquino to me
Jacob Moore
>>Kevin Feige was initially reluctant to adapt the "Civil War" storyline, but was ultimately persuaded by the Russos.
But they really, really didn't. It had literally nothing to do with the comic in all but the name.
Wyatt Jackson
>Mads could have been wasted on Malaketh: Literally Who
thank Odin
Hudson Williams
Agree
The scene with the black woman in the basement, you could really see the pain and emptiness in his haunted eyes
Josiah Harris
probably had flash backs to when that guy from channel 4 asked him about his Dad
Alexander Robinson
Why does the worlds greatest archer need TWO arm guards?
James Richardson
>Joaquin Phoenix was the studio's top choice for the role and was very interested in it, but ultimately declined due to the multi-picture contract that required him to be available for multiple sequels and crossovers. Disney in a nutshell, rather than putting in the effort and possibly getting a memorable film with a good actor they opted for the extended universe "couldn't care less about the film" route
Josiah Martinez
for ambidextrous arrow operating
Jeremiah Hill
>All the choices for Spidey were White dudes
Kek, where did the "hes gonna be a minority" bullshit come from
Brody Davis
Because development concepts for a film are interesting. To me it doesnt matter that its Marvel
Lincoln Carter
>armpit hair
absolutely disgusting on so many levels
Jason Torres
You mean the scene where Natasha slowly removes Wanda's socks and panties while comforting her? That's why she is barefoot in the scene with Steve in her room.
Brayden Campbell
Its more likely because audiences only want to see Steve and Tony and Spidey and don't know who Wanda and Vision are and think "this is boring who are these weirdos".
The fear is that this may influence Infinity War and they might be pressured by Disney execs to cut down Vision and Wanda.
Luis Murphy
>tfw we will never get a Rescue movie
Alexander Collins
RDJ took down Bendis and Perlmutter.
He's not the hero we deserve, he's the one we need.
>Butterfield was favored, but allegedly lost the role after disclosing confidential details about it.
I remember this reddit ama
Bentley Ross
>Feige seizing control of the entire movie department, while Permultter was shuffled to the television department
That explains why the television side is garbage
Jaxon Scott
>every choice for Spider-man is a baby-faced faggot
The fuck? This is worse than the Wonder Woman casting.
Andrew Myers
>Spider-Man is one of THE most well known teen super heroes >surprised that Marvel wants a young looking kid for the part
Camden Morales
>Ernie Hudson was approached to play King T'Chaka
until they saw his performance in Congo
Colton Russell
>pregnant Pepper Potts
HNNNGGG
Brody Thompson
Pretty interesting.
Austin Lewis
Madbomb ain't the same without Red Skull.
Elijah Edwards
>>Tony Stark was meant to only make a brief appearance per executive producer Ike Permultter's demand. Robert Downey Jr. lobbied for a larger role, and was backed by Feige, who believed the movie needed the proper conflict. Permultter objected due to Downey Jr.'s salary, leading to a feud that would result in the disbandment of the Marvel Creative Committee that oversaw all previous movies, and Feige seizing control of the entire movie department, while Permultter was shuffled to the television department.
