Man the battlestations, anons!!!
VICE is doing a poll to try and convince the public that Trump's decision is not supported by the people, which we know is a lie. We have to show them that.
We are AHEAD currently, but no idea what (((they))) might do to the poll over night when we sleep. We need every vote we can get to boost up the percentage.
CURRENT TARGET IS 55%.
LETS GO.
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Welcome! to another round of the hit new game show Not! Your! Personal! Army! im your host Chad Chaddington and im here to remind you to always tell OP hes a faggot!
Bump for the trumpenreich
Why shouldn't trans people be able to be in the military?
Give me reasons.
kill yourself. this isnt a personal army scenario
Because their mental issues should deem them unfit.
~40% suicide rate (and youre giving them a gun and grenades??)
high likelihood for other mental illnesses
soldier's healthcare is covered by gov and transies like their hormones and sex changes = more taxes to pay for their dick removals
hormones and such can affect their strength or even negate the effects of training
you are one retarded summerfag.
keep lurking faggele
>asking for help with something only you give a fuck about
>not nypa
These threads have never been about nypa you retard.
They are one of the only half amusing things /b still does these days.
The suicide rate in trans people is too high, not to mention medical costs are also higher than average, besides who would want a bunch of mentally ill people to play dressup while attempting to 'protect' our country?
it literally is.
Example:
>Man the battlestations, anons!!!
I dont want to deal with mentally ill people
I dont want to get my dick sucked
I dont want to get raped
hey are you memers ready for some twitch raids I think you're ready for some twitch raids
im not OP and we're not assaulting an individual due to OP's personal distaste for them
keep lurking, youll learn someday
Gender dysphoria does not inhibit cognitive or physical ability.
For closeted ones.Transition eases, if not eliminates the symptoms of the disease. The real threat is from those that refuse to out their condition.
This
>newfag
>hes
>he's
>he is
Fuckin' idiot.
No one expects the gov't to pay for cosmetic surgery, it's like asking to get lypo or botox with their health insurance.
>I dont want to get my dick sucked
>I dont want to get raped
ahaha you've never actually been in the military have you?
gay shit is fucking rampant and there's a culture of secrecy. repealing don't ask don't tell had no effect because rape is about power, not actually being a homo
Look at all these fags implying that joining the military isn't a sign of mental illness in the first place. Please, bitches -- everyone in the army is mentally ill. And male-on-male rape stats are the highest in the army, trans/gays or not.
A lot of people will cry over this lmao
wow thank you for the correction
Nobody is invading America.
Who the fuck are you defending yourselves from?
You're not at war.
You're not being invaded.
You're not being bombed.
It's not as if you're starving for war machines.
You've already got millions of useless brainless trained killers... do you really need more?
He's onto you all!!
I take it you're not form america.
People born from poverty tend to go to the military for a few years just to get enough money to pay for a proper college education.
It is basically the only way to get out of the cycle of poverty.
Summer
But it does greatly increase likelihood of depression, anxiety, and/or suicidal thoughts. Which is a massive mental and emotional liability.
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>Gender dysphoria does not inhibit cognitive or physical ability.
>does not inhibit cognitive ability.
"Are you a man or a woman?"
"Uhh..."
Either you go into the military with a mental illness, or you leave with one.
Anyone with any sort of self control can keep those things under wraps and not have it affect their everyday life.
As he said, only if you are closeted. Which begs the question: since there's actually no way of telling if someone experiences gender dysphoria if they're closeted, couldn't a trans person just lie and say they don't experience it, enter the military, and become a liability due to suicidal thoughts and depression/anxiety? Preventing out or even fully-transitioned people from entering the military is counter-intuitive to your argument.
>You've already got millions of useless brainless trained killers... do you really need more?
That's an affirmative.
lol wow
There's no "Uhh..." dipshit. "Born X, feel Y." Gender dysphoria is binary.
You gay
>not wanting to send the trannies to die in the desert
shouldnt you guys support this?
I voted to Oppose it.
Trans is a real disorder. The amount of Trans soldiers in the army has got to be like 1 in 100,000
A human being should have the right to defend his or her country regardless of their body.
I thought gender wasn't binary anymore
>"Anyone with any sort of self control can keep those things under wraps and not have it affect their everyday life."
>trans
>selfcontrol
>6 trannies die in the desert surrounded by their entire squads of decent white men who got killed by some mentally ill faggot's incompetence
sure sounds great
Feelings don't dictate reality though. Who gives a shit what your sexist interpretations of gender are that make you believe you're something other than the body you occupy?
Not the military, that's for sure.
Rates of suicide and depression are only slightly reduced among post-op (40%) compared pre-op transsexuals (60%). Gender reassignment surgery is a largely ineffective treatment.
And given that there are psych evals for military service, I'm inclined to think that 9/10 closeted trans people that try to join the military will fail out or be discharged shortly after joining, because it's actually very hard to hide depression and anxiety for long periods of time while your mind and body are being broken down every day.
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I don't have twitter can someone post the results
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>implying the military isnt 65% black and hispanic and the only white people are uneducated hillbillies
Not if you put other people or operations at risk because you're mentally unstable.
Gender
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Women, who number 201,413, comprise 15.5 percent of the DoD Active Duty force, while
1,100,030 men comprise 84.5 percent of the DoD Active Duty forc
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ared to 2000, both the
percentage of Active Duty enlisted members and the percentage of Active Duty officers who are women
has increased (from 14.7% and 14.4%, respectively, in 2000 to 15.1% and 17.0%, respectively, in 2015)
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Overall, the number and ratio of female enlisted members (162,187) to female officers (39,226) is 4.1
female enlisted members for every one female officer, while the number and ratio of male enlisted
members (908,466) to male officers (191,564) is 4.7 male enlisted members for every on
e male officer.
Race/Ethnicity
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Less than one
-third (31.3%)
or 407,563 of Active Duty members identify themselves as a
racial
minority (i.e., Black or African American, Asian, American Indian or Alaska Native, Native Hawaiian
or Other Pacific Islander,
Multi
-racial, or Other/Unknown)
. The percentage of Active Duty members who
identify themselves as a racial minority
has increased each year since 2012 (from 31.6% of enlisted
members and 21.9% of officers in 2012, to 33.2% of enlisted members and 22.8% of
officers in 2015).
The overall ratio of racial
minority enlisted personnel (354,997) to racial
minority officers (52,566) is 6.8
racial
minority enlisted personnel for every one racial
minority officer.
To conform to the latest Office of
Wait, does the military even have statistics on it's race ratios?
For transsexuals it is. Gender dysphoria, by definition, is the disorder wherein you were born male but are disgusted by your male body and feel like it should be female, or vice versa.
Of course they don't dictate reality. That's why dysphoria is in the fucking DSMV. And the military clearly does care, because it just banned these people.
If they're gonna fail out anyway, what's the use in banning post-ops? The cost-benefit of banning them says the ban affects nothing whatsoever.
There's nothing personal about this other than that OP was the person that brought this to b.
Kys
This won't stand, the deep state needs it's soldiers who are willing to kill their fellow Americans.
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It's not the body that's the problem, it's the mind. An unstable person isn't as reliable.
Its not as though we have a shortage of candidates to defend the country. Why should we hire people who are a net cost to employ (after treatments/surgeries etc) when there are so many healthy viable candidates that already exist?
Fat people aren't allowed into the military either. We could pay for surgery to make them leaner. Or we could say 'get a different sort of job'. Why is this different?
Men have higher suicide rates than women, you don't see america banning men though.
Lmfao
Sup Forums was always full of retards. But like social retards not window licking stupidity retards like it is now.
>so many healthy viable candidates that already exist?
Meanwhile, erectile dysfunction medication costs for the army are higher than the trans costs..
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>Nobody is invading America.
>Who the fuck are you defending yourselves from?
>You're not at war.
>You're not being invaded.
>You're not being bombed.
>It's not as if you're starving for war machines.
>You've already got millions of useless brainless trained killers... do you really need more?
1 = Niggers are.
2 = Mexicans.
3 = Yes, we are.
4 = Yes, by mudslimes.
5 = Forgot 9-11?
6 and 7 = Who gives a fuck?
4/10 men don't kill themselves or they probably would be banned from military service. Don't be an idiot.
It's not 41% though, you know...
Higher suicide rates among trannies is because of their mental illness. Among men it's due to financial issues, marriage issues, etc.
Well fuck user, so once they transition, they're either a cis gender white devil, or a cis gender white whore? So they're not welcome at any pride rallies anymore.
>inna war
>being shelled by insurgents/opfor/militant furries
>be scared
>rather have the person next to me that wouldn't succumb to their internal pressure and abandon me than have the person that listens to every retarded sentiment their defective brain has such as "I don't want to hold this position anymore"
>An unstable person isn't as reliable.
The average armyfag is borderline illiterate.
If rather they be illiterate than unstable.
Don't need to read to shoot guns at the guys shooting guns at you.
The suicide rate of men isn't 50%.
The annual age-adjusted suicide rate is 13.26 per 100,000 individuals (for an overall percentage of 0.013%).
So that means men have about a 0.01% chance of committing suicide. Compared to any transgender person's optimistic 40.0%
>pride rallies
I am straight and proud of it, don't need no fucking rally.
That's because those men want to use their dicks, not chop them off
>If rather they be illiterate than unstable.
What makes you think an illiterate adult male isn't unstable?
Rofl listen to that regurgitated Dem statistical garbage.
Vets get viagra how horrible!
Shoe laces are at a higher cost for the army than trans costs too.
Trans costs PER TRANNY are enormously expensive. Viagra costs per soldier are next to nil, or you can bet we wouldn't be footing the bill.
But I agree with not having trannies in the army. What role could a trans soldier fill cheaper and more effectively than a non trans soldier?
Cosymptomatic mental illness fades in transfolk post-transition. It may take years, but not being closeted takes away some of the mental strain of dysphoria. In all likelihood, the fact that post-op trannies retain such a high level of suicidal depression is that no amount of "hey-i-fixed-my-dysphoria" is going to outweigh the general social alienation, problems with dating, etc., etc.
Them's the breaks. This two gender shit is hard, innit?
Here's an idea: don't pay for a tranny's operation. Most insurance companies already don't, why should the military? Furthermore, this ban isn't targeted at closeted trannies, who as I've said before could simply act like they don't have dysphoria - those are the people who you'd end up paying medical costs for, btw. The ban targets out, post-op trans people much more heavily. People who have already paid for the operation, that is.
Did I say you were gay? Brb, let me go re read my post.
No I dint even question your sexuality there user. I said once they transition into a cis gendered I individual, they're not welcome at pride rally, because if you want to get technical, given the fact that they are now in they're selfconceived body, they are no longer transed right?
Can someone post an updated poll result?
Who's to say that trans deaths aren't also caused by being outcasted by society.
Constant bullying, harassment, and in a lot of cases they are disowned and shunned by their parents.
If any non-trans experienced those things, they'd be likely to suffer from depression and suicidal thoughts as well.
50%I support it
43%I oppose it
07%I am neutral
What makes you think he is?
He could be originally from another country and still learning english. I can teach him to fire a rifle in an emergency. I wouldn't hand a rifle to an unstable person.
On this
I was being sarcastic, in case it went over you
Ty user
I'm aware. "This two gender shit is hard" is also sarcasm.
based @Durchbruchmüller
In a society where if you're CAUGHT bullying a trans person you get fucking crucified? I think not.
No, it's not bullying that's doing it. The fact that everyone averts their gaze from them and refuses to engage with them might contribute (because it's rude to stare and people are naturally inclined to avoid the obvious crazy person - it's a good evolutionary trait), but actual rates of verbal abuse or physical assault are very very very low (lending also to the fact that most trans people live in cities with very tight-knit and supportive communities), because the social and legal consequences of doing or saying anything to them in the current political climate are staggering.
There's just something wrong with them that even when they actually get what they want, since it doesn't suddenly make their life perfect, they relapse to the depression and anxiety they had pre-op and wonder if it isn't all pointless. And once you start down that road, the odds of suicide are pretty high.
Trans people should be able to fight in the army theres nothing wrong with making faggots did on the front lines as cannon fodder
Nope. A lot of because after they start hormone therapy, they realize they are not a normal person anymore and the damage they've done to themselves is irreversible.
Hmm... Two obvious genders, and one real gender that blends the two.
Compared to what? 139 perceived genders? Yeah, y'all are fucking cracked in the head. So since its a brain chemical imbalance that's making you feel this way shouldn't we work on a pill that straightened you out, like we do for depression and anxiety and other mental illnesses? Wouldn't that be better than mutilation?
School age trans people get bullied. I've seen trans people be harassed and hated. Maybe it's because I lived in a trashy suburb.
I had to talk a trans friend out of suicide because her parents were very religious and threatened to throw her on the streets.
These things do happen, don't be intellectually dishonest and claim that they don't.
Why are people getting so tempered over this? Cant you just put them at the front line and maybe they take a bullet instead of the more capable soldiers. If they want to die fighting other peoples war why stop them? Its not like the wars today are anything like protecting your people or some shit, its just rich people wanting more money.
Kys nigger
No sir, I didn't even mean that. If they transision, why can't they just be what they became, and then shut up. Why would they need rallies to prance around like primadonnas, that I don't get. They are just making fools of them selfes.
I am straight, I am what I am, don't need no rally to prove anything to myself or others.
EVERYONE school age gets bullied you fucking idiot. For everything.
Got a big nose? Bullied.
Shorter than your peers? Bullied.
Have crooked teeth? Bullied.
Suck at gym? Bullied.
Cringe whenever anyone walks by? Bullied.
Mumble when you talk? Bullied.
If you're weak, you're targeted. Being trans or gay or sickly is just another manifestation of weakness. You either toughen up, or you transfer schools like a punk bitch or kill yourself like an hero.
trump's an idiot and his approval ratings are appropriately in the gutter
>Most insurance companies already don't, why should the military?
The ACA made trans ops a required preexisting condition.
>this ban isn't targeted at closeted trannies, who as I've said before could simply act like they don't have dysphoria
Saying 'no trannies allowed' covers you legally when they come to collect on that military healthcare for their dysphoria. Think of the $aving$.
>The ban targets out, post-op trans people much more heavily.
40% suicide rate is not soldier potential. Whether its society's fault they're sad or not. The fact of the matter is they have a very dangerous mental illness that makes them by and large unfit for service.
>Autistic op samefags to try and defend his army request
Some 41% of respondents in the 2011 survey of 7,500 transgender Americans reported attempting suicide compared with 1.6% of the general population, with rates rising for those who lost a job due to bias (55%), were harassed or bullied in school (51%), the victim of physical assault (61%) or sexual assault (64%).
So you're a transitioned trannie I assume? If you are pls refer to
What the fuck are you on about? I just got done saying diagnosable gender dysphoria presumes a sexual binary, male and female. This idea, at least in my mind, is very simple - which is why I facetiously said "this shit is hard."
There has actually been a study showing effective chemical treatment for gender dysphoria, it's just that the test subject was also literally mentally retarded. But, as it stands, we are indeed looking for a dysphoria pill, it's just that no such pill currently exists so the only effective course of treatment is to mitigate dysphoria by allowing the person suffering from it to present themselves as their preferred gender.
>muh "this is the way things have been so this is the way things have to be"
guess how I can tell you're a mill worker still upset the chinks took all of his market share
>Welcome! to another round of the hit new game show Not! Your! Personal! Army!
Fuck off, Summer.
I don't support this ban, but man I'm really sick and tired of Trans issues being pushed front and centre of the mental health debate. I've got diagnosed depression, OCD and GAD. Nobody gives a shit. I don't tell anyone because I have to explain what they actually are, and they obviously fuck up my personal life really badly.
At least with gender dysphoria, it's pretty fucking obvious you have mental health problems. Me shit is totally on the inside and nobody even gives a shit.