DEVELOPMENTS (May 14) >Syrian Army, Hezbollah assert fire control over Deir Al-Assafir >Syrian rebels capture Iraqi border-crossing >Tiger Forces advance at the Al-Sha’ar Gas Fields, several sites liberated >ISIS raids Deir Ezzor hospital as the Syrian Army conducts counterattack >Raqqa in ‘state of emergency’ amid ISIS losses in northern Syria >ISIS offensive at T-4 Military Airport ends in retreat >Syrian Army conducts cleansing operation in southern Aleppo >Russian jets pulverize the jihadists in Zara as the Syrian Army prepares to storm: video >Massive ISIS offensive in Deir Ezzor takes disastrous turn: 30 terrorists killed >ISIL snipers preventing civilians from leaving Fallujah: Pentagon >Shooting and bombing in northern Iraq kill 16, sources say
Dumping latest T-90A pics, this time SAA owned. Somewhere around Homs area.
Grayson Phillips
Deir Ezzor - Amaq Agency: Today, Islamic State forces carried out a large-scale attack on positions of the Syrian army and its supporting militias in various areas of Deir Ezzor city.
Islamic State forces took control of Panorama Driving School on the highway to the west of the city. Likewise, they captured the Sham Gas Station and cut Syrian army supply lines between Deir Ezzor Airport and the 137th Brigade after conquering several positions at Mt. Thardah and in the surroundings of the Taym oilfield, south of the city.
Commando units assaulted the Asad Hospital, the faculties of Furat University, the university dormitories, the fire station, and the grain silos, while fierce battles are still ongoing on several axes to the south and west of the city.
The attacks of the forces of the Islamic State today resulted in more than 80 Syrian regime soldiers killed and 3 others apprehended, while two tanks and two BMPs were destroyed, in addition to seizing two tanks, two BMPs, a 57 mm artillery piece, and three 23 mm cannons.
This news is from yesterday. But did they really kill 80 government soldiers?
Jack Cook
Thanks, watched the vids? how many dead really?
Benjamin Parker
I cannot see more than 6 soldiers, some of them not even in uniform, nowhere near 80 they claimed...
Christopher White
>Current situation & on-going fighting in #Deir Ezzor between #ISIS & #Syrian Army
Right, probably just BS then. watch that telegram group they might post some interesting news.
Matthew Hernandez
Reposting
Another city liberated! How big is this? Is it some insignificant village or an important city?
Lucas Wright
>put an nigger into a car an he thinks he can fly with it >put a monkey-roach into a helicopter and he thinks he is superman
9K38-Igla cant defeat chaff and flares, but if you put a monkey into an AH-1W SUPER COBRA it is possible.
Jordan Baker
first for greater isis
Joseph Bell
what?
seems like you forgot an image or something
some report about Deir Asafir or Zabdeen perhaps
Justin Davis
What city are you talking about?
Nolan Lee
>cuckzaz everytime
Zachary Watson
Wait is Isis attacking Dei effsir or whatever? Just saw som text on CNN which said assad had captured it
Hudson Butler
Wow, Assad himself has capture ''dei affsir'' (or whatevert) ? cool dude, now stop drinking and go to bed Mohammed.
Logan Powell
>dei effsir
Levi Howard
I didn't see the name. Text went away too fast
Caleb Fisher
Guess youre mixing two up: - Deir Asafir is/was a Jaysh-al Islam & friends held town in the southern part of East Ghouta (Damascus province)
SAA&friends had been getting closer and closer to it last few days, together with other gains in East Ghouta.
- the city IS is attacking is Deir Ez Zor in east Syria. a large part of it has been held by SAA&friends, another part is held by IS. combat has been ongoing for years.
Angel Parker
Looks like a bullet hit.
>9K38-Igla cant defeat chaff and flares
I see people say this, but that's not really true. In some situations it can defeat flares, at least going by the specs I found online. While it should have difficulties against chaff, it's hard to say without access to testing information. So what are your sources?
John Martin
Oh thanks man. Now it makes sense
Hunter Jenkins
I find myself lurking more and posting less.
Owen Williams
/sg/ fatigue, people lost interest
Jackson Sullivan
Let the memeing never end for Greater Syria.
Ian Wilson
I think it's more that the war has slowed down. It's not like a few months ago, with the SAA making mad gains and Russia bombing all over the place.
Leo Jenkins
Hope it will be more interesting again if something big like Aleppo is starting and Russia is coming back in full force.
Doing Gods work.
Gabriel Wilson
Yes, lack of happenings is also contributing to the low energy in the past few weeks.
Levi Murphy
Igla S-18 even has a success rate of lower than 50%
Jack Reed
Can someone fix it to "twenty four pilots"?
Ayden Stewart
question for israelis, what is the current Israel-Iraq relationship? What is your opinion of Iraq and the Iraqi people?
Christopher Peterson
that's.... what are you trying to say? Do you realize that the 50% figure includes low flying planes? Without breaking it down to planes (approaching/moving away) and Helicopters the figure has very little meaning. The kill chance of the later being much higher than the former.
Furthermore, iirc that figure was calculated decades ago, against the tech available then.
meaning, the 50% figure means very little when we're trying to apply it to a current specific shoot down.
Jaxson Wright
>Israel-Iraq relationship? Non existent.
>What is your opinion of Iraq and the Iraqi people? The Kurds are fine with us, they're bros. others.. well you know, mutual feelings.
Wyatt Ross
>Do you realize that the 50% figure includes low flying planes?
>Without breaking it down to planes (approaching/moving away) and Helicopters the figure has very little meaning As long as the jet is not flying faster than the missile (i.e. > 320m/s), it doesn't make any difference.
>Furthermore, iirc that figure was calculated decades ago, against the tech available then. Igla SA-18 is still Igla SA-18.
Nathaniel Bennett
>killed 4500 pkk scums >they are getting killed everyday >pkk shot down 1 helicopter
Turkey losing :DD, /tg/ soon
Charles Carter
What is chaff supposed to do against an IR searching missile?
Also as far as I understood it "defeating" flares is a game of chances. I doubt that these things have pattern recognition, back when it was developed electronics weren't that far. So its just comparing what the two different IR searchers that absorb in different wavelengths see and tries to extrapolate the turbine exhaust from that. And at that point I guess there are many variables playing into it, mainly the spectrum of the flares. I know that flares aren't just some random burning magnesium or whatnot, they are specifically designed to glow in wavelengths that make it extremely hard for the searching heads to see a difference between them and the turbine exhaust.
Jayden Wilson
roach ran out of countermeasures and had to play superman. i bet they were firing multiple IGLA-s before just to empty his countermeasures and showed just the one guy firing on video, not revealing how they did it.
>According to Turkish government statistics, the average Kurdish woman in Turkey gives birth to about four children, more than double the rate for other Turkish mothers.
Thus, Turkey is facing a demographic time bomb -- Kurds, who tend to be concentrated in the country's impoverished southeast and are generally poorer and less educated -- could conceivably outnumber Turks within about 30 years should present patterns persist
kek nice
David King
Considering Erdogan claimed 3000 rebels killed recently and your defence minister a little under half that, I'd say that 4500 is bullshit of the most fragrant kind.
Brandon Perez
Well the helicopter didn't launch any flares.
Either the MAWS failed or the helicopter didn't have any flares.
Dylan Roberts
>Rebels LOL Our army claimed 4500 believe or not it's true > considered > meanwhile got fear about that
Easton Thompson
>As long as the jet is not flying faster than the missile (i.e. > 320m/s), it doesn't make any difference. >what is angular velocity
>Igla SA-18 is still Igla SA-18. There are probably some revisions of it, I don't know. Countermeasures got better though.
Yeah, I know. Was just talking about the iglas anti countermeasure capabilitys on general.
Arent flares standard equipment? A combat helicopter without them sounds like a car with 3 tires to me...The cobra was supposedly upgraded in 2014, so either they cheaped out or it should have had MAWS.
Aaron Murphy
I doubt it even carried flares, from the vid it even looks a little like a Huey derivative (transport), and may not have been an AH-1 Cobra.
Gavin Harris
> 10 דק׳לפני 10 דקות Reports of #SAA #NDF counterattack to regain Al-Zara in south #Hama countryside
PetoLucem and others say SAA has secured Deir Ezzor al-Assad hospital
Jordan Garcia
>believe or not it's true
Yet decades after starting to fight this rebellion, it continues, and seems to be heating up. You remind me of the US in Viet-Nam, winning every battle yet losing the war.
Isaiah Young
The turks claimed that they lost a cobra due to "technical problems" or whatever some hours before the video surfaced, so either they lost two helicopters in a few hours or its a cobra in the video.
Also I think the helicopter in the video looks to sleek to be a huey/other transport chopper
wait wait wait! I have been unfaithful Sup Forums and didn't visit much in the last 2 months. Did the kurds seriously down a turkish helicopter? And it was nowhere in the news?
Benjamin Davis
>As long as the jet is not flying faster than the missile (i.e. > 320m/s), it doesn't make any difference.
Nope, you're wrong. A jet could get away from a missile without flying faster because the low amount of fuel on the Igla limits it's range pretty badly. So just firing up afterburners can save you. Then there is that if you are firing on an incoming plane the missile already has to perform some aerobatics, so if the plane engages in evasive maneuvers the chances of losing the lock increase (coupled with flares etc.) There are other factors as well. Unlike with Helicopters where it's mostly out of the hands of the person firing the missile, and down to counter measures, firing a MANPAD against a plane is a lot about maximizing the hit probability by choosing the right moment to fire.
>the probability of kill against an unprotected fighter is estimated at 30-48% Which doesn't help us discern the kill chance against a Helicopter. I'd guess the chance to hit a helicopter within operational range, that doesn't employ counter measures at about 90%+. But it's hard to say the hit chance when countermeasures are used without more information.
>What is chaff supposed to do against an IR searching missile?
>I doubt that these things have pattern recognition, back when it was developed electronics weren't that far. Well, you don't have to have state of the art electronics to have some anti flares counter measures. I doubt it's anything to do with wavelength analysis. Most likely it is primitive pattern recognition that checks trajectory changes and chooses which not to follow if it's changed to fast. Some of the actual measures to stay locked on the correct target may be mechanical as was in the 80's Stinger models.
Kayden Taylor
Noice.
Happened just yesterday or so.
Grayson Scott
From what I've heard like all US military exports the heli was gimped. In this case their avionics package was a cardboard box with "ayyy Sup Forums onxy" written on the side. So they probably didn't even know they were targeted and given the way the heli was moving they would not have made visual confirmation in time.
Matthew Moore
Hmmm... as someone who used to be in Air Defence myself, I'd say you've one your research there.
Don't forget modern IR homing since the early 90's (at least) is going to be multi-spectral.
Noah Smith
Yeah I said it wrong. I meant to say, as long as the jet is not flying faster than 320 (approaching) / 360 (receding) m/s which is the maximum target speed for Igla SA-18. The range is 5200m.
Michael Campbell
and yet it was a regular north vietnamese army that did the main fighting. the vietcong guerrilla were just a major nuissance.
Turkey can't even handle them.
Blake Martin
>i bet they were firing multiple IGLA-s before just to empty his countermeasures and showed just the one guy firing on video, not revealing how they did it.
No way, no pilot would fly like that if he expects being fires with MANPADs. after already being fired at with MANPADS... no way.
Look at the pic, try to run the vid in slow motion and you'll spot the characteristic canopy and even the skies.
Jonathan Kelly
ahh i see. Well thanks. Any other major happening since the ceasefire? Or is it still holding albeit frisky? The IS front is going slow but steady i assume.
Eli Jackson
>Also I think the helicopter in the video looks to sleek to be a huey/other transport chopper >run the vid in slow motion and you'll spot the characteristic canopy and even the skies.
Yeah my bad, I ran the vid in embed rather than fullscreen. That's an AH-1.
Owen Evans
hey goys im looking for the IS video where some german durka threatens Merkel Anyone got a link?
Nathan Adams
>@bdrhmnhrk
>YPG & rebels will finalize an agreement to end the conflict in northern Aleppo. YPG are to open supply routes & withdraw from certain areas
Landon Moore
Don't get too excited, this may include isis afiliates. Also we still don't know if this will mean peace between the FSA and SAA in the region. So in effect this could be hurting the SAA
Benjamin Cook
Fucking kurds, they are playing both sides.
Nathaniel Murphy
you can hear in the same video multiple IGLA-s in the background launching from distance but i agree it looks strange how the pilot doesn't give a damn. he was not expecting to get shot down after other IGLA-s before failed to hit, so he was not worried at all.
How would my fellow /sg/bros feel if Syria and Iraq formed a united republic?
Flag: pic related Area: 623,547 km2 Population: 46 million Capital: Baghdad President: Bashar al-Assad Prime Minister: Haider al-Abadi
Presidential system of government with a national multi-party coalition headed by the Ba'ath party governing.
Tyler Myers
...
Robert Gray
*cringes*
Daniel Gomez
Just because such a country could kick your ass.
Aaron Cooper
Igla in question is Igla-1 (9K310, SA-16 Grouse) is an early version. Very quickly pulled from use, stocks have been sold abroad for export. Syria uses these. It is a good system, the Serbs derped a Mirage 2000 over Bosnia with it.
The 9K38 Igla (M, N) (SA-18) is a completely different missile. Has a different seeker, but the warhead package is the same. Superior resistance to countermeasures.
And there's also 9K338 Igla-S (SA-24), a different development on its own. This one contains twice the warhead weight.
Know your missiles, /sg/.
Brayden Hughes
While I endorse the idea of the unity of Iraq and Syria, there is still the issue of ISIS, the rebel forces, Kurds, Assyrians, and various ethnic minorities. SSNP would be a better majority governing party as it would ensure of ethnic equality and offer better voting rights in comparison to the Ba'ath party.
Ryan Roberts
:D lol
Blake Reed
At this point SSNP and Ba'ath are basically the same thing. Nobody seriously thinks a union with a country like Saudi Arabia or a prehistoric shithole like yemen is possible. The best bet is the Mashreq countries of the levant and mesopotamia. Egypt probably won't join cause they're still in their "we wuz pharaohs n shit" phase.
Camden Morris
>#SAA #NDF are storming Al-Zara
>Assad's highest ranked #SAA officer, Mohamed Jourieh killed by #ISIS near #Palmyra #Syria
SA-16 and SA-18 use the same launcher so how do you know which one it was?
Carter King
Tfw you are ottoman when
Andrew Hughes
>Russians withdraw most aircraft >Deploy ground troops Literally why?
Levi Anderson
0-4 /sg/ raid 5-9 play game
Ryan Taylor
what game are you going to play, m8?
Connor Phillips
payday
Joseph Nguyen
>/sg/ raid >/sg/ >raid
U wot m8?
Fucking /sg/ n00bs.
Easton Walker
fucking turks can't control themselves
Caleb Foster
>Iraq once had the world's fourth-biggest army >Syrian army is now battle-hardened
>>>"lol"
Ok roach, dream on.
>tfw I end up answering the ottocunt
Alexander Clark
SSNP is a lot more secular than the Ba'ath party and has been fighting for a better funded military and doesn't have the stigma of a one party state system as was the case with Saddam's Iraq and, what could be debated on, present-day Syria. If there was one major ideological difference between the two parties, it's that SSNP is left-Nationalist and has never endorsed the economic system of national socialism, whereas the Ba'athists are Right-Nationalists and their economic system is heavily influenced by the National Socialists.
John Johnson
nice
Jayden Morales
JUST AS PLANNED
James Stewart
iraq is a country made up by european colonialism, there really isn't such thing as "iraqis" which is why the country is falling apart to its natural state, a collection of violent tribes, just like the rest of the western world. no such thing as iraqis, only kurds, sunnis and shias, and even they aren't really united among themselves. other than the kurds they can all fuck themselves tbqh.
Carson Myers
Im starting to think the French poster in last thread was right
FSA is owning IS majorly in Azaz pocket now.
Easton Young
>just like the rest of the western world meant to type "arab world". COINCIDENCE?
Adrian Torres
Erdo talks big, of course he's full of it.
Adam Nguyen
Airstrikes, clashes, SAA&NDF reported at Al-Zara
Images have already been released of some corpses of the jihadists that killed and kidnapped Alawi Zara citizens
